User talk:Redrose64

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Invasion of Time edits

Moved to Talk:The Invasion of Time § Variant theme music

The link you asked for

Sorry I'm bad at using wikipedia and messed up adding the cite, I asked Northern the other day about Bolton's Platform 2 and they replied to me https://twitter.com/northernrailorg/status/291975325221535745?uid=17412258&iid=am-34365388813588638626255904&nid=56+427

Reading

Moved to m:Talk:Meetup/Reading/4#Shall we continue?

Seasons Greeting to you and yours

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The Monk

I was sitting with a high steward, discussing Anglo-Saxon monks. The name we couldn't remember was Nennius. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 04:39, 22 April 2014 (UTC).

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Template talk:WikiProject Biography

Hi Redrose64, quick message. On Template talk:WikiProject Biography, I removed the category not because I had been lazy and just not fixed the issue, I just hadn't realised that it might have been there because someone had posted a link to it in the talk. I had assumed it was just a one-time problem with the actual template itself at the top of the talk page, and so I could fix that by removing the category. I used hot cat, so didn't actually see what I had deleted. I should have checked changes before pressing to save my edit. I apologise, I just wanted to clear any misunderstanding. Thanks, SamWilson989 (talk)

Sailing from Holyhead?

Where can you sail to by Stena Line? — Preceding unsigned comment added by IkbenFrank (talk • contribs) 20:08, 27 April 2015

Season's Greetings

	Wishing you a Charlie Brown Charlie Russell Christmas! 🎄
	Best wishes for your Christmas Is all you get from me 'Cause I ain't no Santa Claus Don't own no Christmas tree. But if wishes was health and money I'd fill your buck-skin poke Your doctor would go hungry An' you never would be broke. —C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1914. Montanabw(talk)

VarunFEB2003 and template signatures.

WP:Help desk#Sign issue

Geonotice

Hi! I would like a geonotice for an event I'm running - m:Meetup/London/142 - and Deryck Chan suggested that I ask your help to do a geonotice for it for London and the South East. Would that be possible? Thanks. --Jwslubbock (talk) 11:52, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

@Jwslubbock: It should already be there, I set it up several days ago. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:06, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Thanks! Can I ask you for another geonotice, please? This one is for next week, for a SkillShare at the Wikimedia UK office. The meta page is here - m:Meetup/London_Skillshare/2. I guess it's for anyone from London and the South East. Thanks a lot for your help. --Jwslubbock (talk) 13:37, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

@Jwslubbock: There's a problem with that: geolocation in the UK is notoriously unreliable, see User:Redrose64#Where am I? At present, I geolocate to 51.49640°N 0.12240°W / 51.49640; -0.12240 which is a point in the middle of the Thames, west of Lambeth Palace. I don't live on a boat. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:04, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Anamyd and British Rail Class 158 and British Rail Class 360

user:Anamyd is threatening to try to WP:EDITWAR WP:OFFTOPIC information into British Rail Class 158 and British Rail Class 360 which there is no talk page concensus for. Tony May (talk) 15:41, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

@Tony May: If they are edit warring, see WP:EW; and if WP:3RR is violated, file a case at WP:ANEW. Otherwise, WP:BRD applies. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:14, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

RFCs

Thanks for the revert on IPv6--I'd thought the RFCs were IETF RFC's. I was unaware of Wikipedia RFC's!! Sorry about that. --Daviddwd (talk) 17:24, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@Daviddwd: Some offsite RfCs may be linked using square brackets, such as [[rfc:1738]] → rfc:1738. A WP:PREVIEW always helps. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:29, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Got it. I didn't know that. I'm a big template and VisualEditor guy; from now on I'll be using the {{IETF RFC}} template. --Daviddwd (talk) 17:31, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Question

Why should I never use Wikipedia as a ref source? C2A (Homebase | Telephone | Site changes) 15:51, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) C2A The main reason is that WikiP is WP:USERGENERATED. MarnetteD|Talk 16:07, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

See also WP:CIRCULAR. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:22, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Should all instances of 'tbd' in this article be changed to 'TBD'?

Hi, in the article List of aircraft carriers in service, the abbreviation 'tbd' is always used with all lowercase letters, instead of 'TBD' in all caps. They can be seen in the Carriers ordered and Other planned carriers sections. I propose changing them all to 'TBD' as this form is much more commonly used and is widely considered the correct format. JACKINTHEBOX • ^TALK 13:00, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

@JackintheBox: Why are you canvassing me and several other people? I already saw your post at WT:Manual of Style/Abbreviations because that page is on my watchlist. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:09, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Canvassing was not my intention. I was trying to gain consensus to make that change, with users who are knowledgeable in MOS:Abbreviations and MOS:Capital letters. But looks like it's resolved now, and the change has been made. JACKINTHEBOX • ^TALK 00:46, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

I am sorry I didn't use the proper code. Thanks for your intervention.[1] Cinadon36 (talk) 09:37, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

C2A

Please consider a longer block for C2A, they continue to have a competency issue in reverting edits: [2] Cards84664 (talk) 19:51, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

@Cards84664: I was already on the case when you posted here, I've spent over an hour going through recent events on several pages; during this time I decided that there was sufficient grounds for a further, longer, block, which I set at 20:01 with a 48-hour duration. I did not serve the accompanying notice for over half an hour afterward because I was still reading up on events, and wording an appropriate preliminary to the formal {{subst:uw-ewblock}} notice.

To my TPSs - the relevant block log. Comments are welcome. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:58, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

@Cards84664: Why did you request for me to get blocked? This time please do not remove this question. C2A (About | Call | Edits) 05:49, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Should C2A (talk · contribs) be reblocked? Three minutes after he resumed editing he once again made changes to the very same phrase in London Underground rolling stock numbering and classification, despite promising that Instead of edit warring on the article, I will discuss the issue … when I am unblocked. Useddenim (talk) 14:43, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

It was a totally different change that I made on the article. I was just cleaning the phrase up. You should have read the edit summary, Useddenim. C2A (About | Call | Edits) 14:49, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@C2A: In view of your recent edits to that article, you should consider all edits to be controversial, requiring prior discussion. WP:BOLD can only be taken so far. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:05, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Now why are you making restrictions, saying I now have to discuss any further changes I make on Wikipedia? That is very unfair. C2A (About | Call | Edits) 07:16, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

@C2A: Did you work through the reading list provided by Useddenim (talk · contribs)? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:26, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Underscores

Regarding the question "why do people use underscores when spaces work perfectly well *and* make the page more readable?" you posed in this edit, it's almost certainly because people are copying and pasting the URL. This is often simpler than copying the page title and section name separately, especially for those people who only have a single clipboard. Thryduulf (talk) 13:41, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia article on the Newport, Abergavenny and Hereford Railway.

Are you aware of any reasons why this particular Wikipedia article cannot be accessed, as when I try to do so, all I see is a listing of tabular computer jargon.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 15:23, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

This change broke it.

I've fixed it now, assuming your station ordering change was itself correct.

These routemaps are very fiddly to edit. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:33, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, removing one closing brace causes all sorts of trouble. When you copy rows from one place to another you must make sure that you take the whole row. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:06, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Tracking down the transclusions

Hello R. I hope you are well. When you have a moment would you please take a look at the three items in Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates. The Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion no portals and the User:CorbieVreccan/Admin Toolbox are the kind that usually disappear after a transcluded pages protection expires but they have been in the category for over two weeks now and I haven't been able to track down why. The Wikipedia talk:Tutorial just showed up today but I am not sure which of Moxy's edits caused this to be added to the category. Have a pleasant weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 15:50, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion no portals uses some unusual markup which is very difficult to understand - and that's before I've even got as far as its Lua code. This one must therefore be fixed by the only person who has ever edited the page, which is Pppery (talk · contribs). --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:45, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: Done it. It's hacky, but it works. The only one left is User:CorbieVreccan/Admin Toolbox. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:16, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

The problem edit by Moxy (talk · contribs) was this one, which also broke the section edit links. This points to User:Sunmist/sandbox/Tutorial tabs. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:02, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

 All clear now --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:02, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts R! In our years of dealing with the cat these may be the trickiest ones yet. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 18:40, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Done

Hi, and haven't thanked you lately for your help, so here's a thanks in advance! Question... Cluebot III needs a {{done}} in addition to a |done=yes (at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure)? Paine Ellsworth, ed.  ^put'r there  21:45, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

@Paine Ellsworth: (talk page stalker) the |done=yes only changes the appearance - the actually archiving is controlled independently by the {{done}} template, or any of the other templates listed in the html comment at [3]. See #ANRFC above for more --DannyS712 (talk) 22:18, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

To editor DannyS712: cool! and thank you very much! Paine Ellsworth, ed.  ^put'r there  07:35, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

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Tom Holland 'Books' List Edit

I'm sorry, but there were already 17 other books on that list of books before you added the Aethelflaed title to it, all done in the same format, with title first and no author (since it's exclusively a list of books written by Tom Holland on Tom Holland's entry page, it seems very unnecessary to have the name 'Tom Holland' in front of each book). I cannot see what is special about this one book that it needs to be done in a different format from all the other books on the exact same list, causing it to not just stick out, but making it so the reader misses that title entirely when scanning down the list.

It seems prudent that when adding something to an existing list, an editor should use the format that has been used previously by all other editors over the years so that the entire list remains cohesive. Is there some way you could put that book in the same format as the other 17 books on the same list? Thank you. Lilipo25 (talk) 00:25, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

(For my TPSs, this concerns Tom Holland (author)#Non-fiction) @Lilipo25: There are only nine works listed that use {{cite book}}, not 17. Anyway, the {{cite book}} template emits COinS metadata, for which the details of the author are required (somebody like Pigsonthewing (talk · contribs) or Andy Dingley (talk · contribs) can probably explain this better than me). The other books in the list should really have author information added too; and all except the first one may also have |authormask= added. See Hamilton Ellis, Roger Kidner or John Marshall for how this would look with |authormask=2 - but |authormask=1 would be perfectly valid. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 09:28, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

• See [4] (I'm not doing the rest, I'm not reverting this, do whatever you like with the article).

The metadata in the list works better is the full authoring information is embedded, then we just hide it a little with authormask.

This is also useful if it'a a series of collaborations with varying other authors, editors etc. See David Fletcher. Andy Dingley (talk) 09:50, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia article on the Wealden Line.

I tried to log onto this article but all that was revealed was tabulated computer jargon. Have you any idea what might have caused this to occur?

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 11:39, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

@Xenophon Philosopher: I take it you mean Wealden Line - it's always best to link the page that exhibits the problem. Steamybrian2 (talk · contribs) broke it with this edit and then spent the next four edits trying to fix it, but instead making it worse each time. They then gave up; but really they should have reverted back to the version that existed before they started. That's what I have now done. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:57, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

My apologies- A tried to make a simple change but it did not work.Steamybrian2 (talk) 14:15, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Liverpool Pullman

I see from your contributions to British Rail Classes 251 and 261 that you have some knowlege of the Liverpool Pullman. The Liverpool Pullman article is a mess. Perhaps you could help sort it out. See Talk:Liverpool_Pullman I have also flagged this with the article's creator, who might also have more accurate information. Thanks. 2A00:23C6:3B89:8A00:C9E3:AC95:C60F:358F (talk) 19:36, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Croydon Aerodrome robbery

On 9 May 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Croydon Aerodrome robbery, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that only one of the gang that carried out the Croydon Aerodrome gold bullion robbery in 1935 was convicted, and the gold was never found? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Croydon Aerodrome robbery. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Croydon Aerodrome robbery), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Emily Skinner (actress, born 1970)

Hi Redrose, excuse me for interrupting, but I could see you were online. Could you do me a favor? I had requested Emily Skinner (actress, born 1970) be CSD'd because it was a cut and paste move from Emily Skinner, rather than actually moving the article. Another admin did the CSD, but before I could move the article, another editor recreated the redirect, again blocking the move. I moved the page into draft, thinking I could then move Emily Skinner, but it keeps telling me the article exists. Can you help me clean up my mess? Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:09, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• Emily Skinner (actress, born 1970) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Emily Skinner (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Draft:Emily Skinner (actress, born 1970) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Let's see. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:16, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Which one needs moving, to where? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:20, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Emily Skinner should be moved to Emily Skinner (actress, born 1970), then the redirect should be turned into a dab for Emily Skinner (actress, born 1970) and Emily Skinner (actress, born 2002). Then the draft should also be deleted. Thanks. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 16:25, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Apart from deleting the page currently in draft space, I don't see what is preventing you from doing this move. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:16, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

I agree, but when I attempt to make the move, I am prevented from doing so by the same message you get when there is a legitimate page exists. Believe me I tried several times before bothering you. And I just tried again, in case some time needed to pass, and still no dice. I don't get it. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:21, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 18:30, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Is it OK now? I fixed up a bunch of incoming links. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:08, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Looks good. Any more dabs created I'll get on tonight or tomorrow's dab report. Thanks again for all your help.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 22:04, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Great Western Main Line

The {{Great Western Main Line diagram}} needs redrawing to include Didcot Railway Centre. Mjroots (talk) 20:30, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

@Mjroots: We could borrow from Template:Railways around Didcot RDT but that might make it overwide. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:43, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

 Done. Useddenim (talk) 22:09, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Is this RfC correctly formatted?

Talk:William_Barr#RfC:_Expand_lede_beyond_one_short_paragraph ? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:54, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

@Snooganssnoogans: Not quite. For a long RfC like that, you need two signatures: one at the end of the opening statement (as you did) plus one at the very bottom in the normal manner, which I have added. The extra one (at the end of the opening statement) is used by Legobot for several purposes, such as how much should be copied to the RfC listing page, which in this case is Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Politics, government, and law. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:56, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thank you for correcting my mess. You are an awesome human being. Usedtobecool (talk) 18:34, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:49, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm

Hello R. I am stumped by the articles that are currently in Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates. The common denominator seems to be Chris Martin but I can't find the reason why. Your help will be appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 16:39, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

It was this edit by Mad Hatter (talk · contribs), which I've reverted. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:02, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Now that was an odd thing to redirect :-) Thanks for the fix! MarnetteD|Talk 17:08, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

I will purge this parody of Template article from the face of Wikipedia and nominate for deletion and get it broomly out of the floor, because it fails of being any useful in notification in Music articles, since all that it's related to Chris Martin is virtually all Coldplay and it has 0 articles to mention, Chris Martin has no solo work virtually out of Coldplay "area". I will nominate it for deletion this spun of template, that I don't know how you managed to conjure or create. Am I clear, Redrose64 (talk · contribs)?

Regards: The Mad Hatter (talk)

@Mad Hatter: No, you are not clear. Your English is of a strange dialect, unfamiliar to me. I don't know what you mean by "this parody of Template article" - templates are not articles. The page in question (Template:Chris Martin) is a specific type of template, known as a navbox; a means of navigating between articles, but not an article in itself. By making this edit, that meant that every page that had displayed the Chris Martin navbox at the bottom would instead transclude the whole of the Chris Martin article, something that is highly confusing and simply not something that we would normally do.

You say "I don't know how you managed to conjure or create" - I did neither, the navbox was created by Daani94 (talk · contribs) and developed by other people including Another Believer (talk · contribs), Eqwdasf (talk · contribs), Bonjovipearl (talk · contribs), Woodensuperman (talk · contribs) and Landingdude13 (talk · contribs). I'm just the guy who traced and fixed the error that was found by MarnetteD.

I gather that you do not like the navbox. If you wish to delete this, the options are either (i) the G or T criteria of WP:CSD; or (ii) WP:TFD. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:03, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Another one

Hello again. There is a redirect page that showed up in the cat today. As it is fully protected I can't get at it so, when you have a moment, if you could perform the needed change that would be great. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 14:53, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the fix. MarnetteD|Talk 20:09, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Meridian Water railway station

Not knowing who best to contact, noting matters in the Wikipedia article on this new station, it looks somewhat confusing and I seek your thoughts on the matter. The station is said to open this week on 28th May 2019, the same day when Angel Road railway station is due to be closed, but in the article itself, under "Services", a date of 9th September 2019 is shown for services commencement.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 23:17, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Not a RS, but Liverpool Street is festooned with "Warning, Meridian Water opening delayed" signs. ‑ Iridescent 23:38, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

If you wish to draw my attention to an article (or other page), it's always best to link it. I assume that you mean Meridian Water railway station. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:45, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

As you can see, those were the very words that were used to head this query. Do you mean something else?

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 00:30, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

What part of the word link is difficult to comprehend? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:54, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Well, that comment has well and truly put me in my place and at the age of 74, perhaps it adds truth to the old adage of "There is no fool like an old fool". Forgive me for wasting your most valuable time.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 10:47, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Chrono Order of XFDs

Okay. Is that by order of the original date of the XFD, without regard to any relistings, and does that mean to put the oldest XFDs at the top, or at the bottom? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:40, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

It should be clear by examining the ones that are already there. But for XFDs it's by the original timestamp of the discussion concerned, and that is the timestamp that goes into the {{initiated}} template. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:48, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

RfC problem?

Thanks for your effort with this edit. Do you know if it is working now? Is there a way for me to check? --David Tornheim (talk) 17:08, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

@David Tornheim: Yes; in the box at the top of the section there are two links: Politics, government, and law and Biographies. Follow either one, and find the heading for Talk:Fabiana Rosales; as things presently stand, it's followed by the RfC statement and a timestamp, which is normal for RfCs. Now go to this older version of the same RfC listing and search for Rosales - the heading is at the bottom, with no statement and no timestamp - this indicates an error. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:00, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Edits on Ashford International railway station

Sorry if I have mucked up again on Ashford International railway station (and in putting this on your user page). When I saw it it showed up as disambiguation links to South Eastern Railway, which I dabbed to South Eastern Railway (UK) and Appledore railway station which I dabbed to Appledore railway station (Kent) - as previously discussed the dispenser tool which I use for thousdands of dabs doesn't seem to identify the template:rws so in the view provided doesn't show that this already exists. Checking in a sandbox {{rws|Appledore}} still shows as a link to Appledore railway station (Kent) and Appledore railway station (Devon).— Rod ^talk 20:02, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Ah, but I didn't do that. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:06, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

So I think you are saying I should have made it into {{rws|Appledore|Kent}}. I will try to remember this in future (or maybe I will just avoid dabs which are station links).— Rod ^talk 20:20, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, the {{rws}} template takes more than one parameter: {{rws|Appledore|Kent}} → Appledore. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:24, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion of link language wrapper templates (June 2019)

A discussion has started about wrapper templates of {{Link language}}. You may be interested in participating because you participated in a related previous discussion. E^pi*i batch (talk) 03:08, 10 June 2019 (UTC) (Retro is my main account.)

Geonotices

I see that London and Manchester 9 June are still running. Philafrenzy (talk) 08:21, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

@Philafrenzy:  Done --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:28, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:23, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Template : Oxted Line

I have just printed out a 2-page A4 size hard copy of this Wikipedia template to pass on to a very elderly friend who no longer has computer access, but the resultant print-out is absolutely full of blank white spaced sections between each line entry, which makes this print-out useless for an old person with fading eyesight to follow.

Have you any ideas as to why this problem has occurred? At the foot of the template, it states that "This page was last updated on 31 October 2018 at 10.43"

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 06:34, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

No link - no action. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:48, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Once again,I thank you for your assistance in this matter and I will convey what you have said above, when I visit my very elderly friend with the aforemention 2-page A4 size hard copy print-out.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 23:01, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

I have since put the same query to Useddenim and he said it was because it was still on the old computer format and the said template has now been updated by the use of Routemap. I have again printed out the 2-page A4 printout, which is perfect in all respects. I have posted this printout to my very elderly friend.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 17:08, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Request for comment on whether "Enterprise client-server backup" should be split from "Backup" into a stand-alone article, and if so how to protect it from "simplifying" re-merger

Sorry if my deleting and re-adding the {{rfc}} template caused problems; I was trying to get Legobot to show a summary for my RfC on the appropriate listing page. I had been working on that section of the Talk page for 5 out of the preceding 7 hours, and I'd forgotten to start it with a brief comment followed by a signature—so I realized I'd exceeded the limit of what Legobot could list.

I would greatly appreciate any suggestions you could make on how to get the "other editor" Pi314m to not make a "simplifying" re-merger. The fourth and fifth paragraphs of that Talk page section explain the problem with his un-discussed "cut-and-paste mergers". IMHO every January Pi314m gets an urge to exhibit his intellectual prowess in the wider WP arena, so he "simplifies" a set of related articles by merging them into one article. Unlike in 2017 and 2018, in January 2019 he didn't get denounced for un-discussed article deletion by another editor, so he decided to do it again in late May 2019.

Pi314m's contributions list shows he doesn't have any knowledge of enterprise IT beyond the mid-1990s, and this time he got in over his head. I've tried educating him with extensive comments on his personal Talk page, but he hasn't responded there. I'd guess Pi314m suffers from a combination of feeling useless in retirement and of feeling that a "real man" doesn't respond to criticism. I've reluctantly concluded the only solution to this problem is to get him banned from editing Wikipedia, or at least banned from editing certain articles. I will now proceed along that path via the Administrative route. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 17:33, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

@DovidBenAvraham: Legobot runs once an hour, it looks at open RfCs and updates the listing pages where necessary - if you alter your RfC, don't be surprised if the listings aren't updated immmediately. Pi314m I care little about: I advised you that various avenues are available to you concerning user conduct, and none of them involve bringing your dispute here, so please don't. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:46, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Close to home

Hello R. Just wanted to let you know that your sandboxes redirects just showed up in Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates. Thanks again for the series recommendation. MarnetteD|Talk 18:46, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, it's because they use {{this is a redirect/sandbox}} which is a redir to Template:Redirect category shell/sandbox, and Paine Ellsworth (talk · contribs) has been doing some testing in there. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:52, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining things R. MarnetteD|Talk 21:40, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

To editor MarnetteD: the sandbox has been normalized for now. Paine Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there  01:29, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Paine Ellsworth. Good to know both now and if you are working on things like this in the future. MarnetteD|Talk 02:14, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Pleasure! Paine  09:56, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Challacombe scale

hi @Redrose64:...Is it possible to add colour to the table on this page...preferably going light to dark as severity gets worse. Happy for @Philafrenzy: to intervene. thank you Whispyhistory (talk) 17:50, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Colour can be added, but we need to observe MOS:COLOUR carefully. You might be considering coloured backgrounds - I find this a detraction (see British Rail Class 58#Names and numbers for example). Instead, consider vertical bands of colour, which are not used as a background, like those at Clapham Junction railway station#Services. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:08, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure it is needed as the text explains very well, also light to dark with dark worst might be problematic. What would do the job best is a "0" described as normal. Does 0 appear in the scale? Philafrenzy (talk) 18:30, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

[5]..has three shades. Does that help? Whispyhistory (talk) 05:23, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

These colours are: 1-3   or #eae1f0; 4-6   or #d0bedd; 7-10   or #bc9dca. If used as the background for black text, all of these are WCAG 2 AAA Compliant and so would satisfy the contrast/readability portions of MOS:COLOUR. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 06:26, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

IMHO a particular list should be formatted as columns. I don't understand how to do that.

Hi. I'd like to make columns and don't understand the instructions for how to do so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Age_of_Television_(2000s%E2%80%93present)#List_of_selected_important_and_notable_shows contains a long and unwieldy list of "important and notable" television shows.

IMHO this would be better formatted as two or more columns.

Thanks. - 2804:14D:5C59:8300:0:0:0:1000 (talk) 07:00, 24 June 2019 (UTC)