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:{{reply|Abecedare}} If you and the other admins agreed to let this matter [[WP:CBLANK|blanking route]], drop and move on would be appreciated. Please keep me posted. ''Thank you'' very much for responding promptly to all of my concerns.
:{{reply|Abecedare}} If you and the other admins agreed to let this matter [[WP:CBLANK|blanking route]], drop and move on would be appreciated. Please keep me posted. ''Thank you'' very much for responding promptly to all of my concerns.

==Discussion at [[Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Seat_of_government]]==
[[File:Farm-Fresh eye.png|15px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at [[Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Seat_of_government]].--'''<span>[[User:Vin09|<span style="color:#0404B4">Vin09</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:Vin09|<span style="color:#5882FA">(talk)</span>]]</span>''' 03:13, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
:{{reply|Vin09}} Added my 2c although keep in mind that I am learning about all this, even as I read and pontificate. Cheers. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 06:31, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

== Ongoing DRN Request ==

Could you please take a quick look at [[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Kamrupi_discussion#Twentieth_Statements_by_Editors]]? It appears that one of the editors (you know which one) is trying either to use the DRN to influence an RFC or to use an RFC to influence the DRN. We already know that neither of us claims to be an expert on the linguistics, but I know a little about languages, and I know that there is no relationship between [[Indo-Aryan languages]] and [[Dravidian languages]] except possibly overlap in territory, and I now know that [[Assamese]] is an Indo-Aryan language. Indo-Aryan languages are (surprise! surprise!) [[Indo-European]], and their parent language is the oldest of all well-understood Indo-European languages, [[Sanskrit]].

I don't fully understand what Bh is trying to do, but it seems vaguely disruptive. I will continue to try to moderate. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 15:52, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
:Wow. Hatt-ed the discussion at [[Talk:Assamese_people#Inclusion_of_all_viewpoints|Talk:Assamese]] and [[User_talk:Bhaskarbhagawati#Tendentious_editing|warned the user]]. They are really on thin ice here. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 17:17, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
:::Thank you. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 14:56, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

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Help

Greeting! I am from a Serbian Wikipedia and I need help on making an article about Serbian actress and journalist. The page is here. Because I'm not Autoconfirmed, I can not move the page and link it to a page in Serbian Wikipedia. Thank you. Serbian Nickmen (talk) 11:15, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

@Serbian Nickmen: Thanks for your contributions to the English wikipedia!
Unfortunately, your submission had to be declined since it did not cite a reference that complies with English wikipedia's sourcing policies. If instead of citing a Wikia article, as in the current draft, you can cite mainstream newspapers, magazines, or books for the included information, it is likely that your draft would be suitable for mainspace. Please see WP:RS for English wikipedia's sourcing policies, and WP:NACTOR for how we evaluate notability for an actress. I expect that the article reviewer Knightrises10 will be able to help you through the process. Abecedare (talk) 22:12, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for Your help! I can add in the biography in which newspapers she worked and to add filmography (which contains only one role). During the day I will add other information! Thank you very much! Serbian Nickmen (talk) 07:11, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Ref desk talk page

Hello. That stuff you just deleted, can it be permanently struck instead? Floquenbeam did something similar on the page a couple of days ago. Many thanks, --Viennese Waltz 07:16, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

@Viennese Waltz: Good point. Done. Abecedare (talk) 07:23, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Great, thanks for the swift action. --Viennese Waltz 07:26, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious
Five years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

2011 multilingualism census data

can you try to find the all-India 2011 census data for bilingualism and trilingualism, for eg. how many speakers chose a particular language (eg.Hindi) as their 2nd language and third language? No one has published data on multilingualism 2011 census data of India. maximum, it is reported in media The number of bilingual speakers in India is 31.49 crore, which is 26% of the population in 2011. 7% of Indian population is trilingual. But how to calculate data for each language from this excel sheet given by census department?
http://www.censusindia.gov.in/2011census/C-17/DDW-C17-0000.XLSX
Hindi multilingual speakers share may have gone to near 60% from 53% in 2001 census
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/hindi-migrants-speaking-marathi-rise-to-60-lakh/articleshow/66061624.cms
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/52-of-indias-urban-youth-are-now-bilingual-18-speak-three-languages/articleshow/66530958.cms
http://censusindia.gov.in/2011Census/Language_MTs.html
http://www.censusindia.gov.in/2011census/C-17/DDW-C17-0000.XLSX
https://twitter.com/iPatelJay/status/1058618808791777280
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India#Multilingualism
http://www.censusindia.gov.in/2011census/C-17.html
--Rabiaanumrandi (talk) 22:29, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Clear a dispute

Hello, there has been a conflict of understanding in the page:List of sitting judges of the Supreme Court of India. One of the user keeps on adding the name of judges in Hindi and I keep reverting it. I thought that you being administrator would know what is to be done and end this mess. If you want to see his argument :User talk:Adithya harish pergade#Do not delete hindi name from List of sitting judges of the Supreme Court of India. Adithya Pergade (talk) 07:10, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Abecedare hasn't edited for a while. I've warned the editor and will block if they continue to edit war. Best. --regentspark (comment) 22:44, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

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Need Some Help

Hi ::@Abecedare: I am sorry for disturbing you. I was hoping If you could help me out with wikiedu.org. Will that be possible. If not can you recommend an Instructor who could help me. (Purplecart (talk) 10:14, 28 November 2018 (UTC))

Merry Merry

Happy Christmas!
Hello Abecedare,
Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that

Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?"

My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 07:38, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Greetings.

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message

Hope the new year will bring more friendly debates and collaboration for us. Cheers --DBigXray 17:55, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Durganagar, Kolkata

A new person name Jeet Dev remove previous Durganagar, Kolkata page Information. Today i again write previous page information of Durganagar, Kolkata. About 4 months ago of date 4 October 2018 time 8:23 the page information i put and you verified it. But recent 2 days a person name jeet dev remove the all previous page information which information is no need for this page as compare previous information. Today again jeet dev remove all previous page information so i again put previous page information because it is better from jeet dev information. So you Kindly take a action jeet dev which information is no good than previous information which edit 4 months ago. The previous 4 month's edit information is better than jeet dev information. AmitMondal1299 (talk) 20:12, 13 February 2019 (UTC) Today again jeet revert the better information of this page. Kindly take a step.

@AmitMondal1299: Since the edits to the Durganagar page are disputed, perhaps you could start a discussion at Talk:Durganagar explaining the reasoning behind these additional mentions to Kolkata in the article lede (you can link to this previous discussion at WT:INB). That would be a better strategy than repeated reversions and trying to communicate through edit-summaries alone. Same advice also goes out to Jeet Dev (talk · contribs).
I'll ping @SshibumXZ, Chandan Guha, and Dwaipayanc: who are knowledgeable about the subject and may be able to help. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 16:23, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the ping, Abecedare! Now, I would have to agree with much of what you have suggested, in that, I think this seems to be a content dispute and should warrant a discussion at the article’s talk page. However, I must suggest that the page be named just ‘Durganagar’; ‘Kolkata’ is an unnecessary [and probably incorrect] disambiguator in my view. Regards, SshibumXZ (talk · contribs). 03:15, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
@SshibumXZ: Good point. I haven't looked at the relevant MOS guidelines for geographic articles but what you say makes sense to me especially since 'Kolkata' (or, any other qualifier) in the title is not needed for disambiguation purposes. The article was moved to its current title last November by User:AmitMondal1299; an WP:RM discussion to move it back is perhaps warranted. Abecedare (talk) 19:13, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
1. CambridgeBay Weather had made it abundantly clear that that Durganagar does not need a disambiguation but AmitMondal1299 forcibly made it Durganagar, Kolkata.
2. Kolkata district is well defined as the Kolkata Municipal Corporation area. Administratively only that is Kolkata. Therefore, the suffix Kolkata should only be added for areas in Kolkata district. Lake Town needs a disambiguation, but it should not be Kolkata. It can be West Bengal or something else.
3. Unlike Greater London or Delhi National Capital Territory, Greater Kolkata does not have any official/ administrative sanction. Therefore, both Kolkata and Greater Kolkata remain vague. The use of Kolkata or Greater Kolkata may not be a right definition for the area covered by Kolkata Metropolitan Development Authority, but may be allowed in the absence of a better alternative or till such time Greater Kolkata is officially defined. And again, may be, it should be Greater Kolkata rather than just Kolkata.
I hope I have been able to throw some light on the situation.
Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 05:04, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for those additional notes, User:Chandan Guha.
Btw, last week I had blocked User:AmitMondal1299 temporarily for sockpuppetry but if on their return (the block expires in a few hours) they are interested in discussing the disputed edits, I would suggest that the discussion about the article name and content continue at Talk:Durganagar so that all interested users can participate. Happy editing! Abecedare (talk) 17:16, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Shifting the discussions to the article page is okay with me. Thanks and cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 17:35, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Chintu6

Since you're familiar with this case, you should probably know the abuse continues here and xwiki. Praxidicae (talk) 16:02, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Speedied the draft and blocked the latest sock. Thanks for keeping an eye on this. Abecedare (talk) 17:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you

I have read all the criticism. Frankly, I remain unclear as to how I could have handled it better, other than not make the period and en-dash errors in the move, which I corrected myself anyway. The period got caught in a sloppy copy/paste on my iPad (I've never made that mistake before, and I'm sure I'll never make it again), and frankly I did not know about the en-dash convention for titles at MOS:DASH. Now I do. The discussion about the close decision continues on my talk page with JzG where there is further clarification about how and why I closed the way I did. If you could read that, and give me some insight, I would really appreciate it. Thanks, --В²C 19:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@Born2cycle: I don't think it is worth re-litigating the particular closure that started the the ANI thread but, as I read it, the relevant feedback for you and User:JzG was:
  • For you: desist from making NAC closures of move requests that may be controversial, and doublecheck to avoid typos
  • For JzG: prior discussion with the person you are in conflict with and less exasperated/inflammatory mode of communication would only help your cause.
Now these are really universally applicable recommendations that all of us occasionally fail to follow, which is why my close was in the form of a reminder and not a warning or sanction. Hopefully you both will take the above in the spirit it is intended. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 19:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks again. Perhaps you're not aware, but I, like many other non-admins, close RMs "that may be controversial" all the time, per WP:RMNAC, usually without any issues. On those occasions where there is an issue, a note at the NAC's talk page results in non-controversial revert and often a relist (see User talk:Born2cycle#Park Street for a recent example). It's normal procedure at RM and keeps everything flowing smoothly. So, for the record, I don't think it's fair to single me out as someone who should not make NAC closures of move requests that may be controversial, especially given my solid record of usually getting those "right" (uncontested decisions), as anyone who bothered to check my record would readily see. Like all closers, there are exceptions, and this just happened to be one of them for me. I think I'm still well above par for this course. --В²C 20:01, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

ANi close

Your close at ANi for Mountain157 was inadequate and against consensus. Please revert. Legacypac (talk) 00:59, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@Legacypac: See my reply at ANI. Incidentally, my close was drafted, in part, to address concerns of the kind you raised in your "06:15, 28 February 2019 (UTC)" comment on the page. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 01:48, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Apology

I apologize for that revert. I am either going senile or something happened---my password being comproomised? I don't get it. I don't recall making that edit. I had not even been following that discussion. Coretheapple (talk) 00:28, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

No problem. See also my reply on your talkpage about the most common cause for such edits. Abecedare (talk) 00:34, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
My browswer edit history shows that at the exact moment I was supposedly editing ANI I was actually editing the Green Book article using Visual Editor. This appears to be a Visual Editor glitch and a really bad one. Coretheapple (talk) 00:51, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
@Coretheapple: See if the folk at WP:VPT can help with that, or if it is a known problem. Abecedare (talk) 00:55, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
Should add: don't intend you to expend more time on this on my behalf. Abecedare (talk) 00:57, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
No problem---I just find this spooky. Coretheapple (talk) 00:59, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Brunčević Bekir

Please deleted this wikipedia remove from google :http://deletedwiki.com/index.php?title=Bekir_Brun%C4%8Devi%C4%87 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brunčević Bekir (talkcontribs) 04:29, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

@Brunčević Bekir: I believe that is a copy of a previously existing article on the Serbian wikipedia (that you created?), which is now being hosting by deletedwiki.com (as, assuming proper attribution, they are allowed to do per wikipedia's content license). Unfortunately we on wikiedpia have no control over the contents of that website and I could not even locate any contact information for the website's sysadmins that would enable you to request them to delete the piece. Sorry I could not be of more help. Abecedare (talk) 06:45, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Good

sanctioning over here :-) WBGconverse 08:59, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

About ban issue

Hi, Firstly i said sorry for my mistake.please help me from getting ban.i understand little bit you said in my talk page but tell me what i have to do now?arbitration enforcement means?can i appeal arbitration enforcement here? Plz help me as soon as possible to prevent from getting ban.sometime talking about my country i was one side so mistake happen by me so plz forgive me i am sorry for all incident. Thanking you Indiamerijaan2001 (talk) 09:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@Indiamerijaan2001: The English Wikipedia has over 5 million articles. You are free to edit any of them (or create a new one) except for perhaps ~1,000 pages that relate to Indo-Pak conflict. I'd suggest that you find a subject you are knowledgeable about and have less emotional investment in to gain editing experience instead of continuing in a contentious area where even minor mistakes easily blow up. Abecedare (talk) 15:59, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
@Abecedare: sir,many other user also break rule or use bad language in pak-ind conflict.sir request you to plz also block them.sir plz unblock me give me one chance. If u give me one chance i convert it into gold. Indiamerijaan2001 (talk) 16:08, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
@Indiamerijaan2001: The issue is not about apologizing but of demonstrating that you can comply with wikipedia's content policies. You can do so by editing outside the area of your topic-ban. And best to leave the problems at the Indo-Pak conflict articles to the contributors there and to the admins who keep an eye on the pages, especially since your topic-ban forbids you from discussing these in any detail. Abecedare (talk) 16:25, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
@Abecedare: sir,from next time idont participate in india-pakisthan conflict.one question,can i edit in abhinandan varthaman this article or not? because this article not releted to ind-pak conflict. Indiamerijaan2001 (talk) 13:52, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Replied on your talk-page. Abecedare (talk) 14:41, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

POV Edits with misleading edit summary that says "Grammar fixes"

Hi Abe, I have warned this user User_talk:Tufayl_Ahmad#POV_Edits_with_misleading_edit_summary_that_says_"Fixed_grammar". I was curious to know if they continue the same behavior, should they be reported at ANI or ARE ? --DBigXray 09:47, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Their "POV Edits with misleading edit summary" problem extends beyond the Indo-Pak area (example: [1], [2], [3]). So a topic-ban from IPA alone won't solve the problem and ANI may thus be a better venue. Alternatively, we can wait to see if they stops such editing after your latest warning today; I'll second your note in a admin-y voice, in case that is needed to get the message across. If not, they can be simply blocked. Abecedare (talk) 16:14, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:International organisation membership of India

Template:International organisation membership of India has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:43, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

explain

A perpetual motion machine is a hypothetical machine that can do work indefinitely without an energy source, the device in question within the article requires hydrogen constituted from water as fuel, hence it is not a perpetual motion machine according to the definition. I have edited out the phrase perpetual motion machine and replaced it with hydrogen generator. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wumbledorf (talkcontribs) 02:39, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@Wumbledorf: Please read this Nature column (already cited in the wikipedia article) for the reason Stanley Meyer's water fuel cell, if it hadn't been fraudulent, would have been a perpetual motion machine. Abecedare (talk) 02:45, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Ask for help

Hi dear friend in this page : https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_name_Khuzestan

We have a great deal of problem with what appears to be Persian users Community that wants to push their view and block other information, There are phrases in this Article that ment to change clear historical records and don't even has a Refrence , any request for Refrence being removed by these users with no logic, we even explained the problem in Talk page but they refuse to responded and keep,reverting the ask for reference, they simply use our lack of understanding of wiki rules to push their ideas and block any opininon , please check the page and help us to deal with this issue


Ted hamiltun (talk) 20:01, 10 March 2019 (UTC) Ted Hamiltun

@Ted hamiltun: The article does seem to be a mess but I don't know enough of the subject to evaluate its content, or even the trustworthiness/POV of the few cited sources. I'll ask around to see if I can find some outside eyes to take a look. Abecedare (talk) 20:48, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you my friend , any ways my calls for help was being reported by one of those users (user: historyofiran) who was involved in Reverting our request for Refrence to Wiki administration as what he described there Ranting ,how asking for a source is against the Rules of wiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ted hamiltun (talkcontribs) 01:31, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Please help me with referencing. These are two books that I have read myself and have sourced from Goodreads to be genuine books related to The Nine Unknown. My objective isn't to promote but to simply inform and improve Wikipedia. William.broyles (talk) 04:50, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi. Please help me with referencing. These are two books that I have read myself and have sourced from Goodreads to be genuine books related to The Nine Unknown. My objective isn't to promote but to simply inform and improve Wikipedia. William.broyles (talk) 04:50, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Replied on your talkpage. Abecedare (talk) 05:02, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

I respect your opinion and I thank you for taking a look at the research. I asked the living relative a few questions which led me to much more research, my mistake was writing that in the edit notes. I am glad that you waited for the article to get sorted a bit more before voting. I was hoping that you would vote. I am of course disappointed that you found that the research was unimpressive. I endeavored to improve the article so that it may address the inadequacies. However, three weeks of careful research and article improvements have not moved the notability needle, so then I have likely run out of time. All my best. Lubbad85 (talk) 22:11, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

@Lubbad85: There is no harm in contacting people off-wiki who may be able to provide information about an article's subject; the key though is to ask them for published references rather than their personal knowledge or opinions since the latter is unusable on wikipedia. By the way, did you find any published obituary for Jean Mill? I tried searching on google by limiting the search to sources published within the last year but didn't find anything RS. Such a source could still be useful assuming it is an independently reported obit and not just a memorial written by the her family. In any case, I want to be clear that I don't doubt your good intentions and am glad that you are not taking the critique of the article too personally.
A total aside: it was jarring to read an US Appeals Court ruling talking about Mexican nationals, commonly called "wetbacks,". Plus ça change... Abecedare (talk) 22:41, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

So odd that there apparently is not an obituary according to the relative. She was also very tight lipped because there is a pending estate. Apparently Robert Sugden- her first husband was wealthy. I have an associate of Jean Mill's lined up for more sources. Unfortunately he has been slow. And yes, I was taken aback by the United States attorneys casual use of the derogatory term Wetback. Lubbad85 (talk) 22:55, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Question of Topic Ban on Hockey Stats

How long am I topic banned from Hockey Stats? NicholasHui (talk) 15:48, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@NicholasHui: Your topic-ban is "indefinite", i.e., it will not by itself end on any particular date. It will last at least 1-year at which point you can appeal for it to be be lifted and if your editing during that period has been unproblematic, the community may decide to do so. Abecedare (talk) 18:08, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
I read the discussion on NicholasHui's talk page very carefully, but I may have not read it as carefully as I thought. For clarification purposes, does the topic ban only prevent him from editing the players statistics section in articles, but still able to edit other sections of an article, or is he prevented from editing an article in general? Thanks for clarification. Yowashi (talk) 21:59, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
@Yowashi: Since the ANI discussion talked only about "sports statistics," Nicholas is allowed to edit other parts of the players' articles. Note though that the restriction is not limited to "statistics section"; playing with the numbers in the infobox or general write-up will also violate the ban, and trying to game the restriction or test the boundaries (I won't spell out how) is unlikely to be looked upon too kindly either.
In general, I'd advice Nicholas to be conservative about what they edit and to consult involved editors/admins when in doubt. You and other editors in the area are also welcome to approach the admins familiar with the issue if you have a concerns about their editing. And finally, now that the immediate editor-conduct issues have been settled, it would be really great if WP:HOCKEY members completed this discussion and formulated some guidelines on when and how the game and player stats should be updated. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 22:27, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Editors blocked at Fraser Anning.

You don't think your edit block is a bit excessive? I reckon you're abusing your privileges there. Bacondrum (talk) 04:06, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

also, why'd I get an immediate block (which you removed) but Onetwothreeip just got a warning for doing exactly the same thing? Poor form mate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bacondrum (talkcontribs) 04:15, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
@Bacondrum: Given that my note on the article talkpage did not stop the edit-warring and BLP violations, I chose to full-protect the page so that the participants have enough time to discuss the issue properly and reach a consensus that complies with wikipedia's content policies. Hopefully, some outside experienced editors will also have the chance to chime in (see my request at BLPN). If you wish to have my actions reviewed, you can consult any other admin you trust or raise the issue at WP:AN; however, I'd suggest that the time would be better spent searching for secondary sources on Fraser Anning's speech to the parliament and see if and how they covered his mention of 'cultural Marxism'. Abecedare (talk) 04:39, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Fair enough, sorry I gave you grief and assumed the worst, you've obviously done nothing wrong - I guess I really should leave this one alone I get too emotional about these disgusting Nazi bastards like Anning. I'll lay off it all together. No hard feelings. Bacondrum (talk) 05:26, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
@Bacondrum: No problem. I realize how difficult it can be to remain "fair" when editing a bio for such a subject, and how easy it is assume that others arguing for "fairness" are closeted supporters of the person's ideas. WP:AGF and checking the users' editing history often helps dispel such suspicions. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 05:54, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Abecedare. If you deleted this article because you saw WP:AN#S. Kalyanasundaram, then thanks. If just stumbled upon it by chance and deleted it, then perhaps you could post something in that AN thread explaining why (1) creating it just to stop disruption on a dab page was a bad idea and (2) why the article was deleted. The original creator seems to be a new editor who's might be connected to the subject of the article and who also probably doesn't quite understand WP:NOT and WP:42. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:19, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Yup, it was in response to your report (thanks!). Btw the new user Ntkkalyanasundaram is either the candidate or impersonating them. Abecedare (talk) 08:25, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for trying to sort this out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:49, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Sarah Jeong

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't these two edits violate the AE edit restriction in place at Sarah Jeong? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 02:08, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

@Sangdeboeuf: Thanks for letting me know. I have left a note on the editor's talkpage. If they ignore the discretionary sanctions again, a block/topic-ban would be warranted. Abecedare (talk) 02:18, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

You reverted my edit, and now you seem to ignore me. Please, say something on the article talk. Vikom talk 06:20, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

@Vikom: Had missed the discussion you started on the talkpage. Have replied there. Abecedare (talk) 06:49, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Edit war

Pardon me. I certainly don't want to continue editing. I had actually requested page protection, but it was declined. And there's only one editor that disagrees with whom I now am debating. He actually made an edit without any summary, which is what made re-edit it. Chippy pest (talk) 19:23, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

@Chippy pest: I have seeded a discussion about the issue on the article talkkpage. Please take a look and participate there. Abecedare (talk) 19:46, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chippy pest (talkcontribs) 19:56, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

a star

The Original Barnstar
For being a great Wikipedian Lubbad85 () 02:33, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Lubbad85. Abecedare (talk) 14:50, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Protecting a page?

Could you protect the Bob the Builder episode list page so unregistered users can't change the dates? Someone changed the dates of Seasons 1-5 without source, but I reverted those seasons back to the correct 1998 to 2001 dates. I would suggest protecting episode guides of other kid shows to. ThomasSirHandel1998 (talk) 21:04, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

@ThomasSirHandel1998: Thanks for helping maintain the List of Bob the Builder episodes!
I assume you are referring to this and similar edits. Unfortunately, since the most-recent edit is ~10 days old and the pace of edits to that particular page doesn't seem to be unduly high, semi-protection would not be justified at the moment. However, if the IP returns or if this turns out to be a sustained problem (as WP:KIDSTVDATES seems to suggest), please feel free to contact me again (or post at WP:RFPP) and pehaps pending changes protection can be given a try. Abecedare (talk) 22:23, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Fraser Anning

Just letting you know, the edit warring has resumed on Fraser Anning. StAnselm (talk) 03:45, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

@StAnselm: Sorry for the late response; was busy IRL and off-wiki for a few days. I see that El C intervened and the article/talkpage are quiet at the moment. Will keep an eye in case the disruption resumes. Abecedare (talk) 23:52, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Mughal–Maratha Wars talk page

Hi can you please take a look at 2 more sources that i have posted on the talk page of Mughal–Maratha Wars. The user Chippy pest and i have reached a consensus on the wording of results section and no more people seem to be taking part in discussion. Also i'm not able to find any modern authentic sources related to this war that discuss it in detail. Currently the discussion seems to be stalled. Can you guide us further on this issue without any further delay?KamalVishwas (talk) 15:00, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the prod and for the patient discussion. I have added my comments on the new sources on the article talkpage. Abecedare (talk) 15:22, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, i'm just here to know if you are you still working on wording of result section for maratha-mughal wars page?KamalVishwas (talk) 14:31, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

@KamalVishwas: I have got hold of the Gommans and NCHOI books but have been too busy IRL for the past two weeks to read through them yet. Hope to do so by this weekend, and will be better positioned to comment on the content at that point. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 22:27, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

‎Deletion of reliable Indian Government sourced content from Indian state articles

Hello, I am wanting your opinion about whether we should add different directions about Maharashtra at its opening sentence. According to some users, Maharashtra is only mentioned as "western peninsular state" because it is the Britannica definition, and Fylindfotberserk said you also agreed with that in his [page]. But I think we should also mention it also falls in South and central direction as many sources say that. This why I think :

  1. According to Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Citing sources it is supposed to mention all different sources. You should not copy-paste from one source only. Entire first paragraph of Maharashtra is almost just copied from Britannica.
  2. If you are using Britannica source, why didn't you quote exactly how Britannica said? Britannica said that "occupying a substantial portion of the Deccan plateau" before it said "western peninsular part". It sounds like small difference but I think it means that Deccan plateau is more significant identity of Maharashtra than western peninsular part as why it is mentioned before. And I agree.
  3. Britannica also said in the western peninsular part "of the subcontinent", not even India. Subcontinent means all of South Asia, its different from saying India. Since you wanted to say about India, so definitely you should also consult another source which mentions directly India.
  4. Britannica is also saying different things about Maharashtra.
    1. Britannica article on Mumbai says Maharashtra is southwestern state. https://www.britannica.com/place/Mumbai
    2. Britannica Kids article of Maharashtra said it is west-central. https://kids.britannica.com/students/article/Maharashtra/328879
    3. Marathi language of western and central India. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Marathi-language
    4. Britannica said that Gondwana is only central India, and some part of Maharashtra is Gondwana. So Britannica says at a least part of Maharashtra is central. www.britannica.com/place/Gondwana-historical-region-India
  5. I think your logic to use Britannica is it is a encyclopedia. There are other encyclopedias. They are not as much famous but still they are also written by experts.
    1. https://search.credoreference.com/content/topic/maharashtra State in west central India
    2. https://www.ancient.eu/article/874/ellora-caves/ Ellora is a sacred site in Maharastra, central India.
  6. And why using Britannica rule is not applying to other articles, South India states? Telangana is having very similar opening line to Maharashtra, "Telangana is a state in India situated on the centre-south stretch of the Indian peninsula on the high Deccan Plateau." but still it mentions different directions. For Telangana you do not remove south and centre if it is written as Deccan?
  7. So many thousand of news articles and government sources are there. Kautilya3 says do not give a preference to the government source. But also it was wrong to do opposite if you are completely ignoring government source. Government of India source is at least as much reliable as British Encyclopedia. BelgaumGoan (talk) 03:11, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
@BelgaumGoan: The multiple possible descriptions of the geographical location of Maharashtra within India are simply a reflection of the inadequacy of words for cartography. That's why we have a map of Maharashtra's shape and location within India in the Infobox. In the lede sentence, we aim to roughly orient the reader rather than provide a comprehensive survey of what language every possible reliable source has used for that purpose. That summary is necessarily a matter of editorial judgment, and when good-faith editors cannot agree on a single option it is reasonable to look at what choice wikipedia's closest peers (such as Encyclopedia Britannica) have made.
I would advice that we move past lede fixation and see how else we can improve the article to serve the reader. For example, on a quick check of the source access dates, the Economy section doesn't appear to have been updated since ~2014, which means that the nominal figures in it are likely to be off by 50-100%. Wouldn't it be a better investment of our time if we focused on such issues? Abecedare (talk) 04:23, 2 May 2019 (UTC)
@Abecedare:Thank you for reply and I understand. But, am not trying to suggest to make a big change to the opening sentence. I just think we should make small change by adding two words - central and southern. "Maharashtra is a state in western, southern and central peninsular India". I say lots of sources, but all additional info they said is summarized just by adding two words. I don't think it's any confusing for a reader. It benefits reader as so many different opinions and sources are represented by adding two words.
Direct reference to southern and central is a much more effective, clear and powerful than indirect reference like "Deccan and peninsular". Because Indians are strongly aware of those directions. For example Telangana also has "centre-south stretch of the Indian peninsula on the high Deccan Plateau" (instead of just south).BelgaumGoan (talk) 01:48, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
@BelgaumGoan: While it true that at least parts of Maharashtra are in central India, saying that Maharashtra is in "western, southern and central peninsular India" is not even correct (at least as per my understanding that the Vindhyas, traditionally, mark the northern boundary of peninsular India). Perhaps, the discussion would be best continued at Talk:Maharashtra or at WT:INB, although my preference would be to just stick with the current version. Abecedare (talk) 02:16, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

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UTRS appeal by Jürgen Eissink

You had requested that any admin reviewing a potential UTRS appeal by Jürgen Eissink contact you. The editor has a relatively WP:GAB-compliant appeal open now (see UTRS appeal #25180). While I don't intend on unblocking at this time, I would like to restore talk page access in order to allow them to lodge an appeal for wider review. Could you please take a look and let me know what you think regarding restoring access?-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 17:55, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

@Ponyo: I had left the note to inform the reviewing admin that there were off-wiki concerns in the form of abusive emails Eissink had sent me (and IIRC, others involved) following their block. The user, accurately, portrays this in the last section of their current UTRS appeal and I have no objection to their talkpage access being restored and an unblock appeal being considered as a regular matter. Abecedare (talk) 22:05, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Ok, I'll flip the switch on access and we'll see what unfolds. Cheers, -- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 22:09, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

SourceForts

Hello, I saw your generic reply and would like you to look into the other persons edits. My edits are only factual, I am trying to better a page that hasn't had any real updates in over a decade. I believe that I am in the right with concerns to my edits and that the only COI is related to Eik's tenure with the administration not looking into the types of edits he's making and just with his overall rating.

Please, his edit on removing the genre of the game is the most obvious example that he has repeatedly degraded and vandalised the page. I would rather have the page locked then allow his incorrect information to be posted. Nick12506 (talk) 01:44, 18 May 2019 (UTC)Nick12506

Will reply on your talkpage. Abecedare (talk) 02:07, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Durganagar,Kolkata

Why You revert the description of Durganagar, Kolkata Page Information? I Can not write anything wrong on page description. So at This Point Why You revert the description of Durganagar, Kolkata Page Information? If i anything wrong then you told me. I am totally sure that I am 100% write descrption on the page.You Check It. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmitMondal1299 (talkcontribs) 19:19, May 22, 2019 (UTC)

@AmitMondal1299: Your edit was reverted, because as is clear from previous discussion listed below, you do not have consensus for the changes:
Again: if you wish to change the lede, start a discussion at Talk:Durganagar and establish a consensus for your version. Edit-warring to force or sneak-in those revisions will just get blocked again, or topi-banned. Abecedare (talk) 19:35, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Page protection

Pending changes protection in Munthirivallikal Thalirkkumbol turns up to be of no use. If it is protected for persistent financial vandalism, then pending changes won't stop it. Still continuing. Vandalised Drishyam too right after protection expired. Perpetrator is a Mammootty fan and is deliberately diminishing the box office numbers of Mohanlal films and exaggerating it in Mammootty films. This guy has been doing this since a while. 2405:204:D483:7969:5C36:A7D:386A:246A (talk) 09:55, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

The protection at Munthirivallikal Thalirkkumbol is working as expected but you're right that it may not be sufficient since the vandal can move to other Mammootty and Mohanlal films. Unfortunately the vandalism does not seem amenable to an edit-filter and so we may just have to play a game a whack-a-mole and revert/block/protect as needed. Let me know if you come across the editor and I'd be happy to help with the latter bit. Abecedare (talk) 17:46, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

AFD Deletion Discussion request

As per conversation with the subject and his requested for his security and privacy, i am requesting to you as an admin to please delete / remove afd articles for deletions discussions log. Please refer to this link - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/John_Zachary_Danao. Let me know thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikitips (talkcontribs) 12:00, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

@Wikitips: AFD discussions/logs are generally not deleted and I don't see enough for it to even merit a courtesy blanking. Suggest that you drop the issue and stop making edits related to Danao and family. Abecedare (talk) 17:37, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
@Abecedare: The point am making here admin is that the article / page i made nor published towards the subject is not permitted. As a wikipedians i want to be able to contributed. The subject is concerned and i think we need to addressed that concerned in a professional way. Hoping for your positive response.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikitips (talkcontribs) 09:20, June 1, 2019 (UTC)
@Wikitips: I am not sure what your complaint is and what remedy you are asking for. Abecedare (talk) 18:34, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
@Abecedare: My complain is the AFD discussion/logs are still saved. I do want to requested coming to you as an admin maybe delete removed the discussion/logs since the discussion is closed. Also, as far as subject is concerned, what remedy do you think is applicable for this case?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikitips (talkcontribs) 23:38, June 1, 2019 (UTC)
@Wikitips: OK, so the issue is the deletion of the AFD discussion and logs. As I said before, IMO that is neither needed nor merited but I'll ping the other two admins involved Scott Burley and Sir Sputnik, in case they choose to to go down the blanking route.
As for the article's subject: he can simply ignore the internal wikipedia debates, especially since these discussions are not indexed by search-engines. As long as there are no more sock-accounts created or resumed attempts to promote the subject or his family on wikipedia, we can all let this matter drop and move on. Abecedare (talk) 23:06, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
@Abecedare: If you and the other admins agreed to let this matter blanking route, drop and move on would be appreciated. Please keep me posted. Thank you very much for responding promptly to all of my concerns.

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics#Seat_of_government.--Vin09(talk) 03:13, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

@Vin09: Added my 2c although keep in mind that I am learning about all this, even as I read and pontificate. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 06:31, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Ongoing DRN Request

Could you please take a quick look at Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Kamrupi_discussion#Twentieth_Statements_by_Editors? It appears that one of the editors (you know which one) is trying either to use the DRN to influence an RFC or to use an RFC to influence the DRN. We already know that neither of us claims to be an expert on the linguistics, but I know a little about languages, and I know that there is no relationship between Indo-Aryan languages and Dravidian languages except possibly overlap in territory, and I now know that Assamese is an Indo-Aryan language. Indo-Aryan languages are (surprise! surprise!) Indo-European, and their parent language is the oldest of all well-understood Indo-European languages, Sanskrit.

I don't fully understand what Bh is trying to do, but it seems vaguely disruptive. I will continue to try to moderate. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:52, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Wow. Hatt-ed the discussion at Talk:Assamese and warned the user. They are really on thin ice here. Abecedare (talk) 17:17, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:56, 5 June 2019 (UTC)