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:And you have no history of constructive contributions to Wikipedia at all. Your edits weren't helpful and were removed. In particular, your attempt to remove the name of the head of the school and to reintroduce a false "clarify" tag (for an issue that ''had already'' been clarified) is disruptive. The section on her professional career also shouldn't be dominated, per [[WP:WEIGHT]], by the plagiarism issue; it's a fairly small incident in her long career, especially in light of how the investigation turned out, with only mild criticism. It's ok to mention it succinctly, but not to have the article dominated by it. Also, your personal attack above is baseless and false, I do indeed have a history of editing "German political figures", but not from "a single party" (unless you regard SPD, CDU, FDP as the same party). --[[User:Ana Stelline|Ana Stelline]] ([[User talk:Ana Stelline|talk]]) 19:06, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
:And you have no history of constructive contributions to Wikipedia at all. Your edits weren't helpful and were removed. In particular, your attempt to remove the name of the head of the school and to reintroduce a false "clarify" tag (for an issue that ''had already'' been clarified) is disruptive. The section on her professional career also shouldn't be dominated, per [[WP:WEIGHT]], by the plagiarism issue; it's a fairly small incident in her long career, especially in light of how the investigation turned out, with only mild criticism. It's ok to mention it succinctly, but not to have the article dominated by it. Also, your personal attack above is baseless and false, I do indeed have a history of editing "German political figures", but not from "a single party" (unless you regard SPD, CDU, FDP as the same party). --[[User:Ana Stelline|Ana Stelline]] ([[User talk:Ana Stelline|talk]]) 19:06, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
::The "mild criticism" came only from the committee, whose head was criticized for knowing her personally from work in the alumni association. There are numerous sources that are highly critical of more than 45% of pages containing plagiarism and many citations to sources that did not contain the claimed content. [[User:Carabatx|Carabatx]] ([[User talk:Carabatx|talk]]) 21:17, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
::The "mild criticism" came only from the committee, whose head was criticized for knowing her personally from work in the alumni association. There are numerous sources that are highly critical of more than 45% of pages containing plagiarism and many citations to sources that did not contain the claimed content. [[User:Carabatx|Carabatx]] ([[User talk:Carabatx|talk]]) 21:17, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
[[User:Ana Stelline|Ana Stelline]], please refrain from making edits with a personal motive. If you want to remove well sourced sections of information please open up a talk page and gain a consensus from reputable editors. Politically motivated edits or edits from PR firms are not welcome here. Especially if you are going to do malicious edits to prevent reverts. [[User:TridentMkII|TridentMkII]] ([[User talk:TridentMkII|talk]]) 23:28, 2 July 2019 (UTC)


== Speculations about succeeding Merkel ==
== Speculations about succeeding Merkel ==

Revision as of 23:28, 2 July 2019

India Controversy Sources

lawblog.de: Complete quote in German: “Das oberste Ziel muss sein, die Täter stellen. Das ist Polizeiarbeit. Und das zweite entscheidende Ziel muss sein, die Quelle löschen auf dem Server, da wo sie sind. Aber da gerät man an seine Grenzen, wenn der Server z.B in Indien steht. Ein hochkompetentes Land, was Computertechniken angeht, aber ein Land, das keinerlei Form von Ächtung von Kinderpornografie hat. Da können sie nicht mehr löschen.”

Translation: “The primary goal must be to catch the perpetrators. That's a police task. And the second crucial goal must be to delete the source on the server, where they (sic) are. But this is where you hit a wall, if the server is in India, for example. A very competent country when it comes to technology, but it does not know any kind of ostracism when it comes to child pornography. There you can't delete.” She said that on public radio, the MDR show Sputnik to be precise.

Another time where she made the same claim about India was at the “Konferenz zum Schutz vor sexueller Gewalt gegen Kinder und Jugendliche mit Fokus auf neue Medien” (“conference for the protection of children and teenagers against sexual violence with focus on new media”), according to German computer news site heise.de.R.H. (talk) 15:53, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Possible presidential candidate

Financial Times describes her as "Präsidentschaftsanwärter"[1]. German media widely describes her as the favourite to succeed Horst Köhler as President[2] Josh Gorand (talk) 23:52, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The reports you are citing are media speculations based on unnamed government sources. I agree that when she indeed is announced as an official candidate, a section in the article such as the one that you inserted will be justified. But if another candidate is announced today (which is still quite possible, see e.g. the Focus article), such a section would mean a vast overemphasis of an ephemeral media phenomenon, not appropriate for an encyclopedia article that aims at summarizing information of long-lasting relevance about its subject.
Regards, HaeB (talk) 07:34, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I did not reinsert the section after you removed it again, since this matter will be clarified shortly anyway. The comment above was just for the record. Josh Gorand (talk) 09:50, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Languages spoken

I've previously seen sources referring to her language skills, but I don't think it's strictly necessary to have a source for the fact that a person who spent the vast part of her childhood in a Francophone country, and who both studied in London and lived for several years in the United States, speaks French and English. Josh Gorand (talk) 09:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Belgium has 3 languages, and the most widely spoken of the 3 is Dutch, so living in Belgium does not necessarily mean speaking French. I'm surprised she doesn't also speak Dutch. Bostoner (talk) 05:16, 15 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, I just found an adequate source. Josh Gorand (talk) 10:07, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

>> Germany sees bigger military role in Africa (Lihaas (talk) 19:30, 26 January 2014 (UTC)).[reply]

Family mix-up

"a family noted as silk industralists" is wrong. The silk family stems from Krefeld and has been ennobled way later than the family of Leyen's husband. These two Leyen families are _not_ related. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:45:4926:5F90:199D:3CB4:DB8A:1211 (talk) 12:46, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly more lies in her CV

This is still a developing story, but at least the mainstream press in Germany is reporting about a possible lie on her CV. She apparently claimed to have attended Stanford University as a "auditing guest", a concept that does not exist. Sources: [3] or [4]. --Llaanngg (talk) 18:06, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've put this and the other questions over her academic qualifications into a section of their own. FivePillarPurist (talk) 03:14, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

She is now minister of defence.

I know it's absurd, but that's what politics is. Please change it.--85.181.196.250 (talk) 20:21, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Stanford

The version seems to be outdated, Stanford seems to have withdrawn its allegations:

http://www.dw.com/en/stanford-dismisses-accusations-against-von-der-leyen/a-18777135 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8071:68A:2E00:39C3:80C4:E677:FEF8 (talk) 17:26, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.spiegel.de/lebenundlernen/uni/stanford-aufenthalt-universitaet-nimmt-von-der-leyen-in-schutz-a-1057329.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8071:68A:2E00:39C3:80C4:E677:FEF8 (talk) 17:16, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Plagiarism and undue weight

This person has a history of accusations/investigations into academic plagiarism, for a politician this is especially relevant. @Ana+Stelline has a history of editing german political figures...all from a single party. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.20.189.95 (talk) 19:02, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And you have no history of constructive contributions to Wikipedia at all. Your edits weren't helpful and were removed. In particular, your attempt to remove the name of the head of the school and to reintroduce a false "clarify" tag (for an issue that had already been clarified) is disruptive. The section on her professional career also shouldn't be dominated, per WP:WEIGHT, by the plagiarism issue; it's a fairly small incident in her long career, especially in light of how the investigation turned out, with only mild criticism. It's ok to mention it succinctly, but not to have the article dominated by it. Also, your personal attack above is baseless and false, I do indeed have a history of editing "German political figures", but not from "a single party" (unless you regard SPD, CDU, FDP as the same party). --Ana Stelline (talk) 19:06, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The "mild criticism" came only from the committee, whose head was criticized for knowing her personally from work in the alumni association. There are numerous sources that are highly critical of more than 45% of pages containing plagiarism and many citations to sources that did not contain the claimed content. Carabatx (talk) 21:17, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ana Stelline, please refrain from making edits with a personal motive. If you want to remove well sourced sections of information please open up a talk page and gain a consensus from reputable editors. Politically motivated edits or edits from PR firms are not welcome here. Especially if you are going to do malicious edits to prevent reverts. TridentMkII (talk) 23:28, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Speculations about succeeding Merkel

Were removed although well sourced with the comment "as Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer will succeed Angela Merkel this is an entirely out of date passage". No, it is highly relevant to understand why she would be nominated in Europe. We also cannot see into the future. Kramp-Karrenbauer has already succeeded Merkel as leader of the party. If she will be candidate for chancellor and if so whether the next chancellor will be from the Christian Democrats remains to be seen. I reinserted the paragraph that helps to understand her role in the past and how things developed. Carabatx (talk) 21:21, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. The prediction given as rationale for the removal is on very shaky grounds, and in any case these past assertions are relevant as historical information helping the reader to understand the trajectory of von der Leyen's career. Regards, HaeB (talk) 21:39, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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