Talk:Interstate 90 in Illinois

Tackling The Junction List

The junction list for this road is already listed in its respective tollway parts. Should this info be copied, or should those toll segments be linked to instead of having a junction list in this article?

Patrick McDougle (talk) 00:17, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm seeing exit numbers get placed along the Rockford/Roscoe section of the Toll road. Southbound only as of 3/21.  — master son^{T - C} 23:39, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Tollway merger

I would like to propose merging Jane Addams Memorial Tollway into this article. All of the tollway is part of I-90, so it doesn't make any sense here to have two articles to cover the same stretch of road. –Fredddie™ 05:12, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

I support this.  VC  06:30, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Support merger –TCN7JM 06:31, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

 Done –Fredddie™ 16:55, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Lane configuration

This was moved out of the article. It should be rewritten as prose and then inserted back into the route description. –Fredddie™ 16:58, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Interstate 90 runs through downtown Chicago, resulting in some odd lane configurations when compared to downtown arteries like the Schuylkill Expressway in Philadelphia:

From north to south:

• Wisconsin state line to Rockton Road (2.7 miles) -- 4 lanes (2 lanes in each direction)
• Rockton Road to Interstate 39 split (14.5 miles) -- 6 lanes (3 lanes in each direction with a 4th on approach to I-39)
• Interstate 39 split to Randall Road (35 miles) -- 4 lanes (2 lanes in each direction)
• Randall Road to Tri-State Tollway (I-294) (25.7 miles) -- 6 lanes (3 lanes in each direction plus a variable 1-2 collector/distributor lanes near Elgin toll plaza, the I-290/IL-53 interchange, and the I-294/I-190 interchange)
• Tri-State Tollway to Edens Expressway (I-94) (6.8 miles) -- 6 lanes (3 lanes each way)
• Edens Junction to Ohio Street (7 miles) -- 10 lanes (2 reversible, 4 westbound, 4 eastbound)
• Ohio Street to Eisenhower Expressway (Interstate 290) (1.1 miles) -- 10 lanes (5 westbound, 5 eastbound)
• At the Eisenhower Expressway (0.4 miles) -- 6 lanes (3 westbound, 3 eastbound)
• From the Eisenhower Expressway to the Stevenson Expressway (Interstate 55) (1.8 miles) -- 10 lanes (5 eastbound, 5 westbound)
• From the Stevenson Expressway to the 47th Street Slip (3 miles) -- 14 lanes (express: 4 lanes each way, local: 3 lanes each way)
• Between the 47th Street and 51st Street Slip Ramps (0.5 miles) -- 14 lanes (express: 3 lanes each way, local: 4 lanes each way)
• 51st Street to the Chicago Skyway (Interstate 90) (2 miles) -- 14 (same configuration as north of 47th, although one eastbound express lane transitions into the Skyway slip).
• Entire stretch of Chicago Skyway to Indiana (7.2 miles) -- 6 lanes (3 lanes each way)

When returned, the first bullet is 6 lanes now  — master son^{T - C} 23:41, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

References

Skyway now officially part of I-90?

On a recent trip on the Chicago Skyway, I noticed the "TO" signs had been removed. The road is now signed only as I-90. I also noticed new mile marker and exit number signs, measured correctly from the Wisconsin state line at Beloit. (e.g. The exit sign for Stony Island now reads "Exit 103".) I have been searching for some reference of this change, and I've come up with nothing so far. I didn't want to make this a change in the main article until I found some confirming reference. What has happened? Did the city drop its silly argument about it not being officially I-90? Did AASHTO make some ruling? Anybody? RogerD (talk) 22:30, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

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Recent removals

Some basic notes:

• The identities of the organizations that maintain a roadway is an important deal, and probably important enough to have up in the lead.
• Yes, the route description section needs expansion. For a highway of this length, it should have 50–100% more content. Ideally, there should be subsections for the Jane Addams Tollway, the free section and the Skyway. The lengths of each subsection should be proportional to the lengths of highway segments discussed.
• The tolls section should remain, per WP:USRD/STDS. If tolls are collected along a highway, it's only common sense that an article about that highway should discuss how those tolls are collected and assessed. If other highways in Illinois lack such sections, those articles should have them added. For precedent, see Kansas Turnpike (a FA), Chickasaw Turnpike (another FA) and Creek Turnpike (another FA).
• The history of why the Skyway is built as it is isn't a trivial detail that should be removed.
• Minor details:
  • The "US" in "US$" is redundant on an article about a roadway in the United States.
  • State-level highways in Illinois are consistently abbreviated "IL #", not "IL-#", and a link there wasn't inappropriate.
  • I'm unsure why it's problematic to merge the two bullet points in the related routes section into a cohesive paragraph with an introductory sentence.

As for these three minor points, the only explanation I can fathom is that perhaps anything useful I did in carefully and partially reverting the removals of content and applying some clean up was just thrown out wholesale. If so, a word of caution is in order in the future, because I was attempting to integrate positive changes, not discard them. Imzadi 1979 → 20:59, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

@Imzadi1979: To your points.....

• No, it can be included in the route description or history section and it is adequate. If the entire road was maintained by either IDOT, ISTHA, etc, then it is important for the top, but otherwise, the description section is fine.
• According to which Wikipedia policy? WP:NOTEVERYTHING would say otherwise. Information is to be condensed and to the point, this is an encyclopedia, not a road enthusiast site. Also, the information does not currently meet WP:V.

"*A fair amount of this section comes very close to WP:NOTDIRECTORY, particularly the specific toll rate information. Specific information on how tolls are collected could be incorporated into the route description, but the rates probably should stay out.

• I realized that and in my last edit, and I put it back in.
• To your minor points, I agree and I did not realize I had reverted those. My apologies.

With all due respect, please be careful not to treat road articles like WP:OWN. I've noticed a pattern in your editing behavior that would seem to indicate that. I know you have a passion here, but don't just mass revert edits because you don't like them. I am trying to help here, because this article needed some TLC. Blissfield101 (talk) 21:30, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

With all due respect, one should continue the discussion to a conclusion before making big changes that are controversial (in the sense that there is a disagreement over them). To do otherwise, or to unilaterally impose organizational restrictions on future edits in an edit summary also looks like WP:OWN. Imzadi 1979 → 01:24, 18 July 2019 (UTC)