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This page have been revamped regarding the CISQ history and contributions for Software Quality. This organisation is working actively to provide best practises in software developments.

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For the radio station in Squamish, British Columbia on 107.5 FM, see CISQ-FM.

The Consortium for Information & Software Quality (CISQ) is an IT industry group comprising IT executives from the Global 2000, systems integrators, outsourced service providers, and software technology vendors committed to making improvements in the quality of IT application software

The mission of CISQ is to develop international standards to automate software quality measurement and to promote the development and sustainment of secure, reliable, and trustworthy software. Through the work of CISQ, standards have been developed to measure software size, structural quality, and technical debt from source code.

Overview

Jointly organized by the Software Engineering Institute (SEI) at Carnegie Mellon University and the Object Management Group (OMG), CISQ is designed to be a neutral forum in which customers and suppliers of IT application software can develop an industry-wide agenda of actions for defining, measuring, and improving IT software quality.

Software measurement standards are being developed by CISQ to help provide a foundation for focusing attention, setting quality targets, providing visibility, and tracking improvement progress. By using violations of good architectural and coding practice as the basis for software quality measurement, development teams can learn from the results and avoid whole classes of weaknesses in future development.

History

CISQ was launched in August 2009 by 24 founders including SEI and OMG. The founders of CISQ are Paul D. Nielsen, Director and CEO of SEI and Richard Mark Soley, Chairman and CEO of OMG. Bill Curtis, the co-author of the CMM framework is CISQ's first Director. Software measurement and productivity expert Capers Jones is a CISQ Distinguished Advisor.

In September 2012, CISQ published its standard measures for evaluating and benchmarking the reliability, security, performance efficiency, and maintainability of IT software.

In January 2013, OMG adopted Automated Function Point specifications.

In May 2013 CISQ reached 500 members.

In December 2013, WIPRO become the fourth major sponsor to join the list of industry participants investing in the completion and adoption of CISQ standards in the IT industry.

In October 2015, OMG adopted Automated Source Code Quality Measure specifications.

In October 2016, OMG adopted the Automated Enhancement Point specification. In January 2018, OMG adopted the Technical Debt specification.

In November 2018, CISQ published the Trustworthy Systems Manifesto.

In April 2019, CISQ updated its Automated Source Code Quality Measures with embedded extensions.

In May 2019, ISO/IEC approved OMG standard for Automated Function Points as ISO 19515:2019.

External links

• Official website

TracieB1283 (talk) 18:34, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

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• Information to be added or removed: In the first sentence that reads, “The Consortium for IT Software Quality (CISQ) is an IT industry group comprising IT executives from the Global 2000, systems integrators, outsourced service providers, and software technology vendors committed to making improvements in the quality of IT application software.[1] “ I request the name of the Consortium be changed to “Consortium for Information & Software Quality (CISQ).” • Explanation of issue: On June 20, 2019, CISQ officially changed its name from the Consortium for IT Software Quality to the Consortium for Information & Software Quality. The acronym, CISQ, is still the same. • References supporting change: Here is the CISQ blog post announcing the name change: https://blog.it-cisq.org/2019/06/announcing-cisqs-new-name.html. Also, if you visit the CISQ website at www.it-cisq.org, which is noted as the Consortia’s URL on Wikipedia, you will see the new name of CISQ.

CITATION STYLE: The Consortium for Information & Software Quality (CISQ) is an IT industry group comprising IT executives from the Global 2000, systems integrators, outsourced service providers, and software technology vendors committed to making improvements in the quality of IT application software.[1].

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• Information to be added or removed: Please update the CISQ logo to: https://www.it-cisq.org/images/logos/CISQ-logo.png • Explanation of issue: On June 20, 2019, CISQ officially changed its name from the “Consortium for IT Software Quality” to the “Consortium for Information & Software Quality.” The acronym, CISQ, remains the same, which is why we do not require a move or name change to the CISQ Wikipedia page, as its named CISQ. The logo file was updated in June. • References supporting change: Here is the CISQ blog post announcing the name change: https://blog.it-cisq.org/2019/06/announcing-cisqs-new-name.html. Also, if you visit the CISQ website at www.it-cisq.org, which is noted as the Consortia’s URL on Wikipedia, you will see the new name. • I do not see where I can make this update myself

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• Information to be added or removed: In the first section, please add a paragraph after this sentence that currently reads, “The Consortium for IT Software Quality (CISQ) is an IT industry group comprising IT executives from the Global 2000, systems integrators, outsourced service providers, and software technology vendors committed to making improvements in the quality of IT application software.[1] “ that says: “The mission of CISQ is to develop international standards to automate software quality measurement and to promote the development and sustainment of secure, reliable, and trustworthy software. Through the work of CISQ, standards have been developed to measure software size, structural quality, and technical debt from source code.” • Explanation of issue: This text is taken from CISQ’s mission statement on its website and the standards developed for software size, structural quality and technical debt are available for use in the public domain. • References supporting change: o Link to CISQ’s mission statement: “An Industry Consortium to Advance Software Quality,” https://www.it-cisq.org/overview.htm. o Link to software sizing standards on CISQ website: https://www.it-cisq.org/standards/software-sizing-standards/. If you would prefer, here are two direct links to the software sizing standards provided by OMG, the standards body that publishes CISQ measures as standards. “Automated Function Points” https://www.omg.org/spec/AFP. “Automated Enhancement Points” https://www.omg.org/spec/AEP/. Here is a press release announcement for each software sizing standard adopted by OMG. OMG press release dated January 17, 2013, “OMG Adopts Automated Function Point Specification,” https://www.omg.org/news/releases/pr2013/01-17-13.htm. CISQ press release on BusinessWire dated October 11, 2016, “CISQ’s Automated Enhancement Points Metric Becomes Object Management Group Standard for Software Sizing,” https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161011006043/en/CISQ%E2%80%99s-Automated-Enhancement-Points-Metric-Object-Management. o Link to structural quality standards on CISQ website: https://www.it-cisq.org/standards/code-quality-standards/. If you would prefer, here is a direct link to the structural quality standards provided by OMG, the standards body that publishes CISQ measures as standards. https://www.omg.org/spec/category/cisq/. Here is a press release announcement from OMG announcing the approval of CISQ’s structural quality standards dated October 5, 2015, “Object Management Group BOD Adopts Five Standards and Two Submissions at Cambridge, Massachusetts Meeting,” https://www.omg.org/news/releases/pr2015/10-05-15.htm. Here is the CISQ press release announcing the same, dated September15, 2015, “Consortium for IT Software Quality Announces New Specifications for Measuring Structural Quality of Software,” https://www.it-cisq.org/consortium-for-it-software-quality-announces-new-specifications-for-measuring-structural-quality-of-software-2/index.htm. Also, here is an SD Times article, dated September 15, 2015, “OMG to approve CISQ software measurements as standards,” https://sdtimes.com/cisq/omg-approves-cisq-software-measurements-as-standards/. o Link to the technical debt standard on CISQ website: https://www.it-cisq.org/standards/technical-debt/index.htm If you would prefer, here is a direct link to the technical debt standard provided by OMG, the standards body that publishes the CISQ measures as standards. https://www.omg.org/spec/ATDM/. A CISQ press release announcement on BusinessWire dated January 2, 2018, “CISQ Produces Standard for Measuring Technical Debt,” https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180102005078/en/CISQ-Produces-Standard-Measuring-Technical-Debt.

CITATION STYLE: The mission of CISQ is to develop international standards to automate software quality measurement and to promote the development and sustainment of secure, reliable, and trustworthy software. Through the work of CISQ, standards have been developed to measure software size, structural quality, and technical debt from source code.

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• Information to be added or removed: Under the “Overview” section, request to add a 2nd paragraph that reads: “Software measurement standards are being developed by CISQ to help provide a foundation for focusing attention, setting quality targets, providing visibility, and tracking improvement progress. By using violations of good architectural and coding practice as the basis for software quality measurement, development teams can learn from the results and avoid whole classes of weaknesses in future development.” • Explanation of issue: The current “Overview” section on Wikipedia does not mention CISQ’s primary service to the industry, which is the development of standards for software measurement. This paragraph adds depth to what’s there currently. • References supporting change: SD Times article dated January 5, 2015, “CISQ aims to ensure industry-wide software quality standards,” https://sdtimes.com/cisq/cisq-aims-ensure-industry-wide-software-quality-standards/. Page 3 of the SD Times article includes this summary of CISQ’s focus, as written above: https://sdtimes.com/cisq/cisq-aims-ensure-industry-wide-software-quality-standards/3/.

CITATION STYLE Software measurement standards are being developed by CISQ to help provide a foundation for focusing attention, setting quality targets, providing visibility, and tracking improvement progress. By using violations of good architectural and coding practice as the basis for software quality measurement, development teams can learn from the results and avoid whole classes of weaknesses in future development.

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• Information to be added or removed: Under the “History” section, request to add an entry that reads: “In October 2015, OMG adopted Automated Source Code Quality Measure specifications.” • Explanation of issue: OMG adopted CISQ’s specification for Automated Source Code Quality Measures as a standard in October 2015. • References supporting change: Here is a press release announcement from OMG announcing the approval of CISQ’s structural quality standards dated October 5, 2015, “Object Management Group BOD Adopts Five Standards and Two Submissions at Cambridge, Massachusetts Meeting,” https://www.omg.org/news/releases/pr2015/10-05-15.htm.

CITATION STYLE: In October 2015, OMG adopted Automated Source Code Quality Measure specifications.

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• Information to be added or removed: Under the “History” section, request to add an entry that reads: “In October 2016, OMG adopted the Automated Enhancement Point specification.” • Explanation of issue: OMG adopted CISQ’s specification for Automated Enhancement Points in October 2016. • References supporting change: Here’s a CISQ press release on BusinessWire dated October 11, 2016, “CISQ’s Automated Enhancement Points Metric Becomes Object Management Group Standard for Software Sizing,” https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161011006043/en/CISQ%E2%80%99s-Automated-Enhancement-Points-Metric-Object-Management.

CITATION STYLE In October 2016, OMG adopted the Automated Enhancement Point specification.

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• Information to be added or removed: Under the “History” section, request to add an entry that reads: “In January 2018, OMG adopted the Technical Debt specification.” • Explanation of issue: OMG adopted CISQ’s Technical Debt specification in January 2018. • References supporting change: Here’s a CISQ press release announcement on BusinessWire dated January 2, 2018, “CISQ Produces Standard for Measuring Technical Debt,” https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180102005078/en/CISQ-Produces-Standard-Measuring-Technical-Debt.

CITATION STYLE: In January 2018, OMG adopted the Technical Debt specification.

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• Information to be added or removed: Under the “History” section, request to add an entry that reads: “In November 2018, CISQ published the Trustworthy Systems Manifesto.” • Explanation of issue: CISQ published a Trustworthy Systems Manifesto in November 2018 as an open, shareable document that organizations read and sign to help set policy in their organizations for the development of trustworthy software-intensive systems. • References supporting change: Here’s a CISQ press release announcement on Business Insider dated November 1, 2018, “Consortium for IT Software Quality Launches Trustworthy Systems Manifesto,” https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/consortium-for-it-software-quality-launches-trustworthy-systems-manifesto-1027681337.

CITATION STYLE: In November 2018, CISQ published the Trustworthy Systems Manifesto.

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• Information to be added or removed: Under the “History” section, request to add an entry that reads: “In April 2019, CISQ updated its Automated Source Code Quality Measures with embedded extensions.” • Explanation of issue: CISQ published an update to its Automated Source Code Quality Measures specification to include considerations for embedded software. The updated specification was adopted by OMG. • References supporting change: Here’s a CISQ press release announcement on PR Web, dated April 4, 2019, https://www.prweb.com/releases/cisq_updates_automated_source_code_quality_measures_with_embedded_extensions/prweb16211383.htm.

CITATION STYLE: In April 2019, CISQ updated its Automated Source Code Quality Measures with embedded extensions.

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• Information to be added or removed: Under the “History” section, request to add an entry that reads: “In May 2019, ISO/IEC approved OMG standard for Automated Function Points as ISO 19515:2019.” • Explanation of issue: ISO approved the Automated Function Points specification as ISO 19515:2019. • References supporting change: Here’s a press release on OMG’s website dated June 3, 2019, “ISO/IEC Approves Object Management Group Standard for Automated Function Points,” https://www.omg.org/news/releases/pr2019/06-03-19.htm.

CITATION STYLE: In May 2019, ISO/IEC approved OMG standard for Automated Function Points as ISO 19515:2019. TracieB1283 (talk) 20:50, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Reply 14-JUL-2019

The WP:CS1 formatted references need to be placed within the proposed text. As Wikipedia is a volunteer project, edit requests such yours are generally expected to have this formatting done before the request is submitted for review.

 Spintendo  05:16, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Some proposed changes

Information to be added or removed:

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• In the first sentence that reads, “The Consortium for IT Software Quality (CISQ) is an IT industry group comprising IT executives from the Global 2000, systems integrators, outsourced service providers, and software technology vendors committed to making improvements in the quality of IT application software.[1] “ request the name of the Consortium to be changed to “Consortium for Information & Software Quality (CISQ).” • Explanation of issue: On June 20, 2019, CISQ officially changed its name from the Consortium for IT Software Quality to the Consortium for Information & Software Quality. The acronym, CISQ, is still the same. • References supporting change: Here is the CISQ blog post announcing the name change: https://blog.it-cisq.org/2019/06/announcing-cisqs-new-name.html. Also, if you visit the CISQ website at www.it-cisq.org, which is noted as the Consortia’s URL on Wikipedia, you will see the new name of CISQ. • Information to be added or removed: Please update the CISQ logo to: https://www.it-cisq.org/images/logos/CISQ-logo.png • Explanation of issue: On June 20, 2019, CISQ officially changed its name from the “Consortium for IT Software Quality” to the “Consortium for Information & Software Quality.” The acronym, CISQ, remains the same, which is why we do not require a move or name change to the CISQ wikipedia page, as its named CISQ. The logo file was updated in June. • References supporting change: Here is the CISQ blog post announcing the name change: https://blog.it-cisq.org/2019/06/announcing-cisqs-new-name.html. Also, if you visit the CISQ website at www.it-cisq.org, which is noted as the Consortia’s URL on Wikipedia, you will see the new name. • Information to be added or removed: In the first section, please add a paragraph after this sentence that currently reads, “The Consortium for IT Software Quality (CISQ) is an IT industry group comprising IT executives from the Global 2000, systems integrators, outsourced service providers, and software technology vendors committed to making improvements in the quality of IT application software.[1] “ that says: “The mission of CISQ is to develop international standards to automate software quality measurement and to promote the development and sustainment of secure, reliable, and trustworthy software. Through the work of CISQ, standards have been developed to measure software size, structural quality, and technical debt from source code.” • Explanation of issue: This text is taken from CISQ’s mission statement on its website and the standards developed for software size, structural quality and technical debt are available for use in the public domain. • References supporting change: o Link to CISQ’s mission statement: “An Industry Consortium to Advance Software Quality,” https://www.it-cisq.org/overview.htm. o Link to software sizing standards on CISQ website: https://www.it-cisq.org/standards/software-sizing-standards/. If you would prefer, here are two direct links to the software sizing standards provided by OMG, the standards body that publishes CISQ measures as standards. “Automated Function Points” https://www.omg.org/spec/AFP. “Automated Enhancement Points” https://www.omg.org/spec/AEP/. Here is a press release announcement for each software sizing standard adopted by OMG. OMG press release dated January 17, 2013, “OMG Adopts Automated Function Point Specification,” https://www.omg.org/news/releases/pr2013/01-17-13.htm. CISQ press release on BusinessWire dated October 11, 2016, “CISQ’s Automated Enhancement Points Metric Becomes Object Management Group Standard for Software Sizing,” https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161011006043/en/CISQ%E2%80%99s-Automated-Enhancement-Points-Metric-Object-Management. o Link to structural quality standards on CISQ website: https://www.it-cisq.org/standards/code-quality-standards/. If you would prefer, here is a direct link to the structural quality standards provided by OMG, the standards body that publishes CISQ measures as standards. https://www.omg.org/spec/category/cisq/. Here is a press release announcement from OMG announcing the approval of CISQ’s structural quality standards dated October 5, 2015, “Object Management Group BOD Adopts Five Standards and Two Submissions at Cambridge, Massachusetts Meeting,” https://www.omg.org/news/releases/pr2015/10-05-15.htm. Here is the CISQ press release announcing the same, dated September15, 2015, “Consortium for IT Software Quality Announces New Specifications for Measuring Structural Quality of Software,” https://www.it-cisq.org/consortium-for-it-software-quality-announces-new-specifications-for-measuring-structural-quality-of-software-2/index.htm. Also, here is an SD Times article, dated September 15, 2015, “OMG to approve CISQ software measurements as standards,” https://sdtimes.com/cisq/omg-approves-cisq-software-measurements-as-standards/. o Link to the technical debt standard on CISQ website: https://www.it-cisq.org/standards/technical-debt/index.htm If you would prefer, here is a direct link to the technical debt standard provided by OMG, the standards body that publishes the CISQ measures as standards. https://www.omg.org/spec/ATDM/. A CISQ press release announcement on BusinessWire dated January 2, 2018, “CISQ Produces Standard for Measuring Technical Debt,” https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180102005078/en/CISQ-Produces-Standard-Measuring-Technical-Debt. • Information to be added or removed: Under the “Overview” section, request to add a 2nd paragraph that reads: “Software measurement standards are being developed by CISQ to help provide a foundation for focusing attention, setting quality targets, providing visibility, and tracking improvement progress. By using violations of good architectural and coding practice as the basis for software quality measurement, development teams can learn from the results and avoid whole classes of weaknesses in future development.” • Explanation of issue: The current “Overview” section on Wikipedia does not mention CISQ’s primary service to the industry, which is the development of standards for software measurement. This paragraph adds depth to what’s there currently. • References supporting change: SD Times article dated January 5, 2015, “CISQ aims to ensure industry-wide software quality standards,” https://sdtimes.com/cisq/cisq-aims-ensure-industry-wide-software-quality-standards/. Page 3 of the SD Times article includes this summary of CISQ’s focus, as written above: https://sdtimes.com/cisq/cisq-aims-ensure-industry-wide-software-quality-standards/3/. • Information to be added or removed: Under the “History” section, request to add an entry that reads: “In October 2015, OMG adopted Automated Source Code Quality Measure specifications.” • Explanation of issue: OMG adopted CISQ’s specification for Automated Source Code Quality Measures as a standard in October 2015. • References supporting change: Here is a press release announcement from OMG announcing the approval of CISQ’s structural quality standards dated October 5, 2015, “Object Management Group BOD Adopts Five Standards and Two Submissions at Cambridge, Massachusetts Meeting,” https://www.omg.org/news/releases/pr2015/10-05-15.htm. • Information to be added or removed: Under the “History” section, request to add an entry that reads: “In October 2016, OMG adopted the Automated Enhancement Point specification.” • Explanation of issue: OMG adopted CISQ’s specification for Automated Enhancement Points in October 2016. • References supporting change: Here’s a CISQ press release on BusinessWire dated October 11, 2016, “CISQ’s Automated Enhancement Points Metric Becomes Object Management Group Standard for Software Sizing,” https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161011006043/en/CISQ%E2%80%99s-Automated-Enhancement-Points-Metric-Object-Management. • Information to be added or removed: Under the “History” section, request to add an entry that reads: “In January 2018, OMG adopted the Technical Debt specification.” • Explanation of issue: OMG adopted CISQ’s Technical Debt specification in January 2018. • References supporting change: Here’s a CISQ press release announcement on BusinessWire dated January 2, 2018, “CISQ Produces Standard for Measuring Technical Debt,” https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20180102005078/en/CISQ-Produces-Standard-Measuring-Technical-Debt. • Information to be added or removed: Under the “History” section, request to add an entry that reads: “In November 2018, CISQ published the Trustworthy Systems Manifesto.” • Explanation of issue: CISQ published a Trustworthy Systems Manifesto in November 2018 as an open, shareable document that organizations read and sign to help set policy in their organizations for the development of trustworthy software-intensive systems. • References supporting change: Here’s a CISQ press release announcement on Business Insider dated November 1, 2018, “Consortium for IT Software Quality Launches Trustworthy Systems Manifesto,” https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/consortium-for-it-software-quality-launches-trustworthy-systems-manifesto-1027681337. • Information to be added or removed: Under the “History” section, request to add an entry that reads: “In April 2019, CISQ updates its Automated Source Code Quality Measures with embedded extensions.” • Explanation of issue: CISQ published an update to its Automated Source Code Quality Measures specification to include considerations for embedded software. The updated specification was adopted by OMG. • References supporting change: Here’s a CISQ press release announcement on PR Web, dated April 4, 2019, https://www.prweb.com/releases/cisq_updates_automated_source_code_quality_measures_with_embedded_extensions/prweb16211383.htm. • Information to be added or removed: Under the “History” section, request to add an entry that reads: “In May 2019, ISO/IEC approved OMG standard for Automated Function Points as ISO 19515:2019.” • Explanation of issue: ISO approved the Automated Function Points specification as ISO 19515:2019. • References supporting change: Here’s a press release on OMG’s website dated June 3, 2019, “ISO/IEC Approves Object Management Group Standard for Automated Function Points,” https://www.omg.org/news/releases/pr2019/06-03-19.htm. References

TracieB1283 (talk) 23:08, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Reply 03-JUL-2019

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• Your edit request could not be reviewed because the provided references are not formatted correctly. The citation style predominantly used by the CISQ article is Citation Style 1 (CS1). The citation style used in the edit request consists of bare URL's. Any requested edit of yours which may be implemented will need to resemble the current style already in use in the article – in this case, CS1. (See WP:CITEVAR.) In the extended section below titled Citation style, I have illustrated two examples: one showing how the edit request was submitted, and another showing how requests should be submitted in the future:

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Bare URL reference formatting: The Sun's diameter is 864,337 miles, while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles. The Sun's temperature is 5,778 degrees Kelvin. References 1. https://www.booksource.com 2. http://www.journalsource.com 3. http://www.websource.com In the example above there are three URL's provided with the claim statements, but these URL's have not been placed using Citation Style 1, which is the style predominantly used by the CISQ article. Using this style, the WikiFormatted text should resemble the following: Citation Style 1 formatting: The Sun's diameter is 864,337 miles,<ref>{{cite book|last1=Sjöblad|first1=Tristan|title=The Sun|url=http://www.booksource.com|publisher=Academic Press|date=2019|page=1}}</ref> while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles.<ref>{{cite journal|last1=Harinath|first1=Paramjit|title=Size of the Moon|journal=Science|issue=78|volume=51|url=http://www.journalsource.com|date=2019|page=46}}</ref> The Sun's temperature is 5,778 degrees Kelvin.<ref>{{cite web|last1=Uemura|first1=Shu|title=The Sun's Heat|url=http://www.websource.com|publisher=Academic Press|date=2019|page=2}}</ref> Displays as: The Sun's diameter is 864,337 miles, while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles. The Sun's temperature is 5,778 degrees Kelvin. References In the example above the references have been formatted according to Citation Style 1, which shows the author, the source's name, date, etc., all information which is lost when only the links are provided. As Wikipedia is a volunteer project, edit requests such yours are generally expected to have this formatting done before the request is submitted for review.

• Kindly rewrite your edit request so that it aligns more with the second example shown in the collapsed section above, and feel free to re-submit that edit request at your earliest convenience.
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