Talk:Demographics of Taiwan

Poll

Was anyone here aware Instantnood is running another poll to move "XXX of Taiwan" to "XXX of the Republic of China" at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)/NPOV/Taiwan vs. ROC? The poll "started" a week ago, but since no pages link to the polling page, I thought maybe it was a little onesided and needed some publicity... SchmuckyTheCat 21:19, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Please kindly check Special:Whatlinkshere/Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)/NPOV/Taiwan vs. ROC (except those added by SchmuckyTheCat just now), for what pages are linked to it. Thank you.

Please also note that the polls there are enforcement of the naming conventions. — Instantnood 21:46, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

Disclaimer

I first suggested to proceed to have a poll as a solution on March 10 at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)/archive4#Solution, and there was no objection. More than two weeks later on March 26 I suggested to have polls on a case-by-case basis (at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)/NPOV#Solution). A link was added at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese)/NPOV#Solution to direct readers to the polling page on March 31, at the time when the polling page was created.

SchmuckyTheCat is wrong for accusing me for starting the polls with no page linked to it, that it might resulted in onesided and lack of publicity. Please note this is an accusation, though I am pretty sure opinion wouldn't be affected easily. — Instantnood 06:41, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)

ROC vs. Taiwan

This article needs some clean up. Some figures and information are in fact referring to the Republic of China, instead of Taiwan alone. — Instantnood 20:24, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

• That's cuz Taiwan=ROC for the purposes of these figures. SchmuckyTheCat 21:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

  Are you sure? Are people on Quemoy and Matsu 本省人? Do they have partial aboriginal ancestry as those on Taiwan do? Are they Taiwanese people? Do the people on Matsu speak a dialect of Min Nan? — Instantnood 17:44, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Ethnicities

Until someone can provide credible and verifiable research that Hoklo and Hakka are not Chinese, this article should adhere to the commonly accepted view that they are indeed ethnic Chinese. The edits by anonymous user 71.106.x.x appears to be politically motivated since he did not fix the text when replacing "Chinese" with "Taiwanese". — Nrtm81 06:05, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Nrtm81, you think you control the history of Taiwanese, don't you? Please let us know whether you are a mainlander masquerading as a neutral editor. If not, why are you so adamant that Taiwanese are Chinese. Are you working for the Communist Chinese or paid by the KMT? I told you we are a Taiwanese watchdog group. Any propaganda sponsored by the PRC or the KMT will be removed.

lmao, I do not support PRC, ROC, or Taiwan, hence I am neutral. I accept the different views of history but as long as it is not written in a biased way. You have already admitted you are writing on a biased viewpoint (Taiwanese nationalism). You are a watchdog? A watchdog does not play games of bias. Your views are just as radical as PRC propaganda. You keep making edits that are not neutral and don't even provide sources to support your claims. That is not acceptable.

"Chinese" refers to culture and language, it doesn't mean PRC or blood. Hoklo are the only people who call themselves Taiwanese, no other people deny being Chinese, every Chinese (1.3 billion) identify as Chinese even if they are Hokkien, Hakka, Cantonese. Are you yourself Hoklo? Because I've noticed only that group is hijacking "Taiwanese" identity for themselves. They don't consider Hakka to be Taiwanese. Also "Taiwanese language" is "Min-Nan dialect". What is wrong with you? What next? Deport non-Hoklo people from Taiwan? This is the rise of racism in Taiwan and it's disgusting! — Nrtm81 00:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Most Hakka consider themselves to be Han Chinese and they call their language Hakka instead of Taiwanese. If they want to call their language Taiwanese Hakka and Hoklo language Taiwanese Holo, that is fine with me too. I'm not a racist, but want to preserve the Taiwanese language and culture for the majority, while also preserving minority rights -- such as aboriginal and Hakka. By the way, I love Hakka people and have Hakka friends. But let the majority use their own language and culture as they please. Also, I feel you are biased toward the Chinese. Despite repeated warnings that labeling Taiwanese as Chinese is unacceptable, you continue to spread this propaganda. 60% of the people only think of themselves as Taiwanese, not Chinese, according to the new Taipei Times article. You are placing a label on Taiwanese when they themselves don't think they are Chinese. Only 34% think they are both Taiwanese and Chinese, meaning that 66% don't think they are Chinese, which reflects mostly the Holo population. So that is evidence right there that you should stop your irresponsible actions.

Also, please tell us if you are a mainlander. I didn't ask you whether you support PRC, ROC or Taiwan. I want to know whether you are a mainlander. This fact is important, because then we know your what your biases are. I am Holo. By the way, I don't hate Mainlanders, but am fearful that they might sell out Taiwan to the PRC and that their political loyalties lie with the PRC, not with Taiwan.

Also, I've provided more than enough proof to show that Holo and Hakka are descendents of the Yueh peoples, and are not "Han Chinese" based on DNA. What more do you want?

Hey, why is this page locked. I want to make some changes. 228revenge 05:32, 1 December 2006 (UTC)