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@Finetooth and Shannon1: – The project page says every river article should get a map, but I've been pushing back on edits like this that add an uninformative map of a pin on a large state (California in all the cases of the ones I reverted, I think), especially on articles that have illustrations that get displaced down the page by this waste of space. I'd suggest modifying the guideline to ask for good maps, not useless maps. For example, see lots of good maps in the Commons uploads of Shannon1. Dicklyon (talk) 16:30, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

I don't see anything wrong with that map myself, especially since the river is only 14 miles long, and it shows exactly where it is in context to the rest of the state. Not sure why you're reverting it. If it were a longer river a pushpin map would make less sense. SportingFlyer T·C 17:20, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

What's wrong is that the map takes up a lot of space near the top of the article, pushing pictures down, and only provides a vague idea of where it is (indistinguishable from the many other creeks in the area). And if you click on it, you get less info, not more. A county or region push-pin map, hopefully showing the course and nearby other creeks, would be informative, but this is not. Dicklyon (talk) 17:38, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Are there any examples of US county push-pin maps? It seems like it'd be nice to have them but I can't think of any articles with them. I'd be happy to help make some, though I am not familiar with how they work. Shannon [ Talk ] 21:41, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

I also don't have a problem with the pushpin maps, they aren't ideal, but I think they are still better than no map at all - giving a vague idea of location is better than no idea of location. Good maps take a long time to make and it can be useful to at least have something in the meantime. I don't see pushing other images further down the page a particularly compelling negative. Kmusser (talk) 22:03, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

I agree - a better map is possible, but the page is better off with the pushpin map than no map. SportingFlyer T·C 22:47, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Lots of infobox templates now automatically add a OSM map if the coordinates exist. These are in addition to the pushpin maps if they are present. Dunes_(hotel_and_casino) is an example. MB 22:59, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Nice, does Infobox River support this, or can it be added? I think in the example beginning this conversation a OSM pushpin map would be a definitely improvement over the California pushpin map. Kmusser (talk) 14:53, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

I believe it could be added if there was consensus here. Making the change would add an OSM map to every River infobox that had coordinates (either in the infobox or Wikidata - same was with the pushpin maps). MB 15:08, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm, it would be nice as an option, but I don't think I'd necessarily want it to be "on" as the default as we'd only want it where we didn't have a better map. Kmusser (talk) 15:42, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

What's an OSM map? Show us an example? Dicklyon (talk) 15:46, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

I gave you a link above to a casino article. Aerial lighthouse is a lighthouse. Or see any article in Category:Lighthouses. MB 16:07, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Ah, I see it probably means OpenStreetMap. But in those examples I don't see how to put one in an article; must be the template magic doing it. Is there an info page about how to use OSM maps? I see WP:OSM, but it's pretty cryptic. Maybe you can show us how to do one on a river article. Dicklyon (talk) 02:55, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

Well, there is a Template:OSM Location map that I have used to make some manually. You can see samples here. But that is a fairly tedious process (you have to specify the coord of the center of the displayed map in addition to the location you are mapping, and get the scaling right). The ones in the infoboxes are an improved automated version. I don't know exactly how they work, but a Template Editor familiar with them could add the functionality to the river infobox template just like has been done to the others already. MB 03:43, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

My thought in adding a pushpin map to a river article with no map is to make the location more instantly apparent to a reader living thousands of miles from the river in question. Most readers will know where the United States is. Some will know exactly where each state is within the United States, and almost none will know where each county lies. The pushpin maps with the state and national options, as in Dunes_(hotel_and_casino), partially solve the location problem until something better comes along. If the pushpin maps cause layout problems, I think these can be solved by rearranging the images or by adding a gallery section if there's no way to accommodate the images without creating text sandwiches or displacing the article heads and subheads. Finetooth (talk) 22:10, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm not an actual participant in the WikiProject, but I was trying to add an infobox to the newly-made Uchee Creek (Georgia) page. However, the map didn't show up correctly. Can someone assist in correcting it? Thank you. Morriswa (Charlotte Allison) (talk) 16:07, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Done. MB 16:36, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

@Finetooth: I agree with you, I think a state level pushpin-map is useful for people who live thousands of miles away (or even hundreds of miles away) and have no idea where a given river might be. -Furicorn (talk) 17:57, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Androscoggin River for deletion

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Article Request: Lane's Balance

Lane's Balance was instrumental to me for understanding fluvial geomorphology. I would consider it to be a mid-importance page. I'd be happy to contribute to it if it existed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prometheus720 (talk • contribs) 05:39, 10 April 2019 (UTC)