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== Zombie film vs film with a zombie ==

I read through the archived talk pages and haven't seen this point addressed. Does a mere existence of a zombie in a film make it a zombie film? A specific case in point is the movie Hocus Pocus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hocus_Pocus_(1993_film) where a corpse named Billy is raised by the witches as a zombie. The focus of the movie is not on this event, character, or source of zombification, hence I am strongly inclined to say that this isn't a zombie film. However, what would be the proper guideline for this particular issue. I'm trying to compile a list of all zombie films from as many sources I can find, on a spreadsheet, that I'll eventually transfer over to here gradually, but for issues like this I'm asking for guidance since it's a challenging nuance to make a decision on. Please let me know what you guys think. Thank you.

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Note - The Evil Dead films are possession/demon films, not zombie related. I'll let AoD slide cause the bad guy does have zombie like footsoldiers rise up.

List of zombie films that need to be further researched

Direct-to-video

  • Zombie Babies || Eamon Hardiman || 2011 || || [1][2] || [1]
  • Rise of the Damned - Michael Bafaro - 2011 film - "RISE OF THE DAMNED". British Board of Film Classification. January 29, 2011 (last updated). Retrieved November 18, 2013. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help) - IMDb - while the film got rated by the BBFC for direct-to-video, it needs information on a theater release, or any notability past some trailers; it has not been reviewed by the horror websites or media sources for actual zombies
  • Zombie Toxin || Thomas J. Moose || 1998 || || || [2] - review implies direct-to-video [3]
  • Ghost Zombie (Yûrei zonbi, Yurei Zombie) || Kōji Shiraishi || 2007 || direct-to-video || [3] || [4]

Notability

The following movies require notability WP:NFILM beyond self-published websites, unreliable/anonymous blogs, Kickstarter, IMDB-like databases and lists, and distribution stores such as Amazon/eBay:

Status unknown

The following movies seem to have notability, however, their release status is unknown as the supporting articles show in-production or trailers. They can best be addressed with reliable sources that point to official releases and reviews. They may be moved to the in-progress/abandoned film list, in that case, please strike them from this list.

References

  1. ^ Hoyle, Blair (2012-10-05). "Zombie Babies (2011) Review". Cinema Slasher.
  2. ^ http://anythinghorror.com/2012/08/16/zombie-babies-2011/
  3. ^ http://www.neowing.co.jp/track_for_cdj.html?KEY=ADE-801
  4. ^ "Untot – Undead Unleashed". untot.funactpictures.de. Retrieved 2012-11-05.

Discussion

I've grouped the films that still need help here. Please discuss or take action. Thanks. -AngusWOOF (talk) 21:02, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Should direct-to-video films be included in the main list as long as they have notability? -AngusWOOF (talk) 21:05, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When the RfC closes, we'll have consensus on whether non-notable films (those without an article) should be included. Other selection criteria have no basis in guidelines or policy, and I think a merge is in order. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 08:29, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What consensus? Where's the discussion at all? Pessimist2006 (talk) 03:54, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion has been archived, however it was not merely for films which are redlinked, a previous discussion had already established a policy based consensus that having a Wikipedia article does not denote lack of notability in of itself, nor should be a criteria. The most recent consensus was that entries "that are redlinked and have only IMDB as a link (no refs)" should be removed. The second part was part of the previous discussion as well, but the entries were left on the page for the time being so references could be found iirc. Quite some time has passed since then, so removing those only supported by IMDB (or similar), to the talk page seems reasonable.Number36 (talk) 04:55, 23 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Redlinked zombie films

Here are the zombie films that have no article:

Red-linked zombie films
Title Director Release Notes Citations IMDB
Astro Zombies M3: Cloned Ted V. Mikels 2010 third in Astro-Zombies films [1] [9]
Blood Moon Rising Brian Skiba 2009 [2] [10]
Bombshell Bloodbath Brett Mullen 2015 [3]
Bounty (2010 film) Kevin Kangas 2010 [4] [11]
Corpses (2004 film) Rolfe Kanefsky 2004 [5] [12]
The Dark Lurking Greg Connors 2010 [6]
Day X Jason Hack 2005 [7] [13]
Dead in the Water (2006 film) Marc Buhmann 2006 [8] [14]
Dead Is Dead (film) Mike Stanley 1992 [9] [15]
Dead Life William Victor Schotten 2005 [10] [16]
The Dead Live Darrin Patterson 2006 [10] [17]
Dead Noon Andrew Weist 2007 [11] [18]
Dead Clowns Steve Sessions 2003 [12] [19]
Dead Country Andrew Merkelbach 2008 [13] [20]
Dead Summer Eddie Benevich 2005 [14] [21]
The Dead Undead Matthew R. Anderson & Edward Conna 2009 [15] [22]
The Dead... Will Rise! Jordan L. Salkil 2009 [16] [23]
Deadhunter: Sevillian Zombies Julián Lara 2004 [17] [24]
Demon Resurrection William Hopkins 2008 [18]
Diao Chan Vs Zombie Ma Le 2016 [19]
Die and Let Live Justin Channell 2006 [20] [25]
Don't Grow Up Thierry Poiraud 2015 [21]
Doomed (2007 film) Michael Su 2007 [22] [26]
Doomed to Consume Jason Stephenson 2006 [23] [27]
Dorm of the Dead (2009 film) Tobias Canto Jr. & Tyrel Good 2009 [24] [28]
Dug Up Dustin Rikert 2013 premiered at Austin Film Festival[25]
Eaters Luca Boni & Marco Ristor 2011 [26][27][28] - premiered at Phoenix FearCon 2011 [29]
Ebola Zombies Samuel Leong 2015 [29]
Evil Keg Allen Wilbanks 2007 [30] [30]
Evilution (film) Chris Conlee 2008 [31] [31]
Fast Zombies with Guns Bennie Woodell 2008 [32] [32]
Feeding the Masses Richard Griffin 2004 [33] [33]
Flesh Freaks Conall Pendergast 2000 [34] [34]
Flesh of my Flesh Edward Martin III 2015 [35]
Forever Dead Christine Parker 2007 [36]
Ghost Lake Jay Woelfel 2004 [37]
Goremet, Zombie Chef from Hell Don Swan 1986 [38] [35]
Hard Rock Zombies Krishna Shah 1985 [39][40] [36]
Harold's Going Stiff Keith Wright 2011 [41] [37]
Hell Driver (Nihon bundan: Heru doraibâ) Yoshihiro Nishimura 2010 [42] [38]
Hellgate (1989 film) William A. Levey 1989 [43] [39]
Hollywood Mortuary Ron Ford 1999 [44] [40]
Hot Wax Zombies on Wheels Michael Roush 1999 [45] [41]
Humans Versus Zombies Brian T. Jaynes 2011 [46] [42]
Hunting Creatures Andreas Pape 2004 [47] [43]
I Am Bish Dave Bishop 2009 [48] [44]
I Walked with a Zombie (2010 film) Adam Marcus 2010 [49] [45]
Johnny Sunshine Maximum Violence Matt Yeager 2008 [50] [46]
Kampung Zombie Billy Christian 2015 First Indonesian zombie film [51]
KL Zombi Woo Ming Jin 2013 Malaysian film [52]
Laughing Dead Patrick Gleason 1998 [53] [47]
Linnea Quigley's Horror Workout Kenneth J. Hall 1990 [54] [48]
Living a Zombie Dream Todd Reynolds 1996 [55] [49]
Living Dead in Tokyo Bay ( Batoru gāru: Tokyo crisis wars (バトルガール　Tokyo Crisis Wars, lit. Battle Girl: Tokyo Crisis Wars) ) Kazuo Komizu 1991 [56] [50]
Living Dead Lock Up Mario Xavier & Mike Hicks 2005 [57] [51]
Living Dead Lock Up 2: March of the Dead Mario Xavier 2007 sequel to Living Dead Lock Up [58][59] [52]
Lord of the Undead Timo Rose 2004 [60][61] [53]
Mad Doctor of Blood Island Eddie Romero & Gerardo de León 1968 [62] [54]
Mark Of The Astro Zombies Ted V. Mikels 2002 second film Astro-Zombies [63] [55]
Meat Market 3 Brian Clement 2006 [64] [56]
The Mental Dead Adam Deyoe 2003 [65] [57]
Motocross Zombies from Hell Gary Robert 2007 [66] [58]
Mud Zombies (Mangue Negro) Rodrigo Aragão 2008 [67] [59]
Mutant Vampire Zombies from the 'Hood! Thunder Levin 2008 [68][69] [60]
Mutation (film) Marc Fehse & Timo Rose 1999 [70][45] [61]
Mutation 2: Generation Dead Timo Rose 2001 sequel to Mutation [70] [62]
Mutation 3: Century of the Dead Timo Rose 2002 third in Mutation series [70] [63]
Mutation: Annihilation Timo Rose 2007 Mutation 2, 3 were edited into this version of both films [71][72] [64]
The Necro Files Matt Jaissle 1997 [73] [65]
The Neighbor Zombie (Yieutjib jombi) Hong Young-Guen, Jang Youn-Jung, Oh Young-Doo, Ryoo Hoon 2002 [74] [66]
Night of the Living Dead: 30th Anniversary Edition John A. Russo 1999 [75] [67]
Night of the Living Heads George A. Taramas & Michael Gruosso 2011 Fright Night Film Festival in Louisville on July 2011[76][77]
Night of the Wehrmacht Zombies (Gamma 693) Joel M. Reed 1981 [78] [68]
Ninja Zombies Noah Cooper 2011 [79] [69]
Noctem Jens Wolf 2003 [80] [70]
O.C. Babes and the Slasher of Zombietown Creep Creepersin 2008 [81] [71]
Onechanbara: Zombie Bikini Squad Yôhei Fukuda 2008 [82] [72]
Operation:Nazi Zombies (Maplewoods) David B. Stewart III 2003 [83] [73]
Ouanga (film) (Love Wanga, Drums of the Jungle) George Terwilliger 1936 Remade as The Devil's Daughter [84][85][86] [74]
Parasitic (film) Tim Martin 2012 alien worms turn people into zombies [87] [75]
Phi Ha Ayodhaya (The Black Death) Chalermchatri Yukol 2015 Thai film, mixture of zombie film and historical epic [88]
A Plague So Pleasant Benjamin Roberds 2013 [89][90]
Platoon of the Dead John Bowker 2009 [91] [76]
Pleasures of the Damned Mark Leake 2005 [92] [77]
Post Mortem, America 2021 Cameron Scott 2013 [93]
Pot Zombies Justin Powers 2005 [94] [78]
Prison of the Dead (Castle of the Dead, Le château des morts, The Game) David DeCoteau 2000 [95] [79]
Project Nine (Project 9) Dan Sullivan 2010 collaboration from Rochester Institute of Technology film students [96] [80]
Raiders of the Damned Milko Davis 2005 [97] [81]
Redneck Carnage Johnno Zee 2009 [98] [82]
The Resurrection Game Mike Watt 2001 [99] [83]
RetarDEAD Rick Popko & Dan West 2008 [100] [84]
Return of the Chinese Boxer (Shen quan da zhan kuai qiang shou, The Chinese Boxer 2, Samurai Terror, The Swift Shaolin Boxer, Revenge of the Samurai) Jimmy Wang Yu 1977 kung-fu zombie [101] [85]
The Revolting Dead Michael Su 2003 [102] [86]
Rika: The Zombie Killer Ken'ichi Fujiwara 2008 [103] [87]
Risen (2007 film) Damon Crump 2007 [104] [88]
Rising Dead (The Rising Dead) Brent Cousins 2007 [105] [89]
Rise of the Damned Michael Bafaro 2011 [106][importance?] [90]
Rise of the Undead Jason Horton & Shannon Hubbell 2005 [104] [91]
Rotten Shaolin Zombies Blaine Wasylkiw 2004 [107] [92]
Run! Oudom Touch 2013 First Cambodian zombie film [108]
Sabbath (2008 film) William Victor Schotten 2008 [109] [93]
Shaolin vs. Evil Dead: Ultimate Power (Shao lin jiang shi tian ji, Siu lam geung see tin gik, Shaolin vs. Evil Dead 2) Douglas Kung 2006 vampire-like zombies, followup to Shaolin vs. Evil Dead [110][better source needed] [94]
Sick and The Dead Jordy Dickens & Brockton McKinney 2009 [111] [95]
The Slaughter Jay Lee 2006 [112] [96]
Space Zombie Bingo George Ormrod 1993 [113] [97]
Spirit Vs. Zombie (Jiang shi da nao xi men ding) Yao Feng Pang 1989 considered borderline vampire/zombie [114] [98]
Stoned Dead Ray Etheridge 2006 [115] [99]
Street Team Massacre Adam Deyoe & Eric Gosselin 2007 drink turns people into zombies [65] [100]
Stripperland Sean Skelding 2011 [116] [101]
Tele-Zombie Lory-Michael Ringuette 2004 [117] [102]
Uniform SurviGirl II (Seifuku sabaigâru II) Hiroshi Kaneko 2008 sequel, sometimes grouped with first movie [118] [103]
Unrated: The Movie Andreas Schnaas & Timo Rose 2010 [119][120] [104]
Urban Scumbags vs. Countryside Zombies Patrick Hollmann & Sebastian Panneck 1992 [45] [105]
The Vanguard (film) Matthew Hope 2008 [121] [106]
War of the Dead (2006 film) Sean Cisterna 2006 [122] [107]
Wiseguys vs. Zombies Adam Minarovich 2003 [123] [108]
Working Stiffs (film) Michael Legge 1989 [124] [109]
Z: A Zombie Musical John McLean 2005 [125] [110]
Zombie '90: Extreme Pestilence Andreas Schnaas 1991 [126] [111]
Zombie A-Hole Dustin Mills 2012 [127] [112]
Zombie Abomination: The Italian Zombie Movie - Part 1 Thomas Berdinski 2010 [128] [113]
Zombie Allegiance Tony Nunes 2011 [129] [114]
Zombies Anonymous (Last Rites of the Dead) Marc Fratto 2006 [130] [115]
Zombies by Design Dave Wascavage 2006 [131] [116]
Zombie Apocalypse (2010 film) Ryan Thompson 2010 [132] [117]
Zombie Apocalypse: Redemption (Zombie Apocalypse 2) Ryan Thompson 2011 [133] [118]
Zombie Apocalypse (2011 film) Nick Lyon 2011 [134] [119]
Zombie Apocalypse Now! (Un Cazador de zombis) Germán Magariños 2008 [135] [120]
Zombie Atrocity: The Italian Zombie Movie - Part 2 Thomas Berdinski 2010 second of The Italian Zombie Movie films [136] [121]
The Zombie Army! Betty Stapleford 1991 [45] [122]
Zombie Bloodbath 2: Rage of the Undead Todd Sheets 1995 [137] [123]
Zombie Bloodbath 3: Zombie Armageddon Todd Sheets 2000 [138] [124]
Zombie Campout Joshua D. Smith 2002 [139] [125]
Zombie Cheerleader Camp Jon Fabris 2007 [140] [126]
Zombie Commando The Outtake Team 2006 [141] [127]
Zombie Cop J.R. Bookwalter 1991 [142] [128]
Zombie Cult Massacre Jeff Dunn 1998 [45] [129]
Zombie Dawn Christian Toledo & Lucio A. Rojas 2011 [143] [130]
Zombie Death House John Saxon 1987 [144] [131]
Zombie Dearest David Kemker 2009 [145] [132]
Zombie Doomsday Tom Townsend 2011 [146] [133]
Zombie Driftwood Bob Carruthers 2010 [147] [134]
Zombie Farm B. Luciano Barsuglia 2007 [148] [135]
Zombie Genocide Andrew Harrison, Khris Carville, & Darryl Sloan 1993 [45]
Zombie Hood Steve Best 2013 [149] [136]
Zombie Ninja Gangbangers Jeff Centauri 1997 [45] [137]
Zombie Planet 2: Adam's Revenge George Bonilla 2005 follow-up to Zombie Planet. The two films would later be combined and re-edited to Zombie Planet: The Kane Chronicles, released in 2007 [150] [138]
Zombie Rampage Todd Sheets 1989 [151] [139]
Zombie Rampage 2 Todd Sheets 1992 [45] [140]
Zombie Town Damon Lemay 2007 [152][153]
Zombie Vs. Ninja Godfrey Ho & Joseph Lai 1987 [154][114] [141]
Zombies Gone Wild Gary Robert 2007 [155] [142]
Zombies: The Beginning Bruno Mattei 2007 [156] [143]
Zombies vs. Strippers Alex Nicolaou 2012 [157] [144]
Zombiethon Ken Dixon 1986 [158] [145]
ZombieWestern: It Came from the West Tor Fruergaard 2006 [159] [146]
Zombrex: Dead Rising Sun Keiji Inafune 2010 [160][161] [147]
Zombiegore Maarten van Druten 2003 [162] [148]
Zombie Killers: Elephant’s Graveyard Harrison Smith 2015 [163]
Zombie Fight Club Joe Chien 2014 [164]
Zombie 108 Joe Chien 2012 First Taiwanese zombie film [165]

And here are the references:

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Feel free to edit this post as you see fit. Remove the entry from this list when you add a film back to the main list. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 17:20, 29 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In light of the point I made in the section above, why have redlinked pages with WP:RS references been removed? The consensus reached on the page regarding this point was that whether a page is redlinked is not a criteria in and of itself (see archive 1), and the outcome of the most recent consensus (archive 3) concerned entries "that are redlinked and have only IMDB as a link (no refs)".Number36 (talk) 06:16, 24 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

NinjaRobotPirate, any thoughts on this? I'm getting recent edits to restore these redlinks. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:57, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of them look like they have the potential to be notable. I could look into creating articles on them, which might stem the edit warring from the IP editor. Unfortunately, I can't really do much about it in an administrative capacity, since I've heavily edited this article. If it continues, we could try requesting page protection at WP:RFPP. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:51, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Splinter does not fit the definition of a zombie film

This page is prefaced by a paragraph on what the page considers a "zombie film" to be. Based on those guidelines, Splinter is not a zombie film.

A porcupine-like animal infects a gas station attendant via the animal's spikes, (splinters). The gas station attendant, (who also develops these splinters), begs a girl to kill him. After following the girl out onto the petrol station forecourt, the attendant is shot dead by the girl's boyfriend. The girl becomes infected by the garage attendant's splinters. Parts of the girl's body break off (fingers, hands, arms), and are able to operate as autonamous beings controlled by splinters. The girl then rips a police woman in two before merging with her into a freakish hybrid of the two women which ends up being destroyed by fire.

The plot on the Wikipedia page is more detailed, though makes no mention of zombies. Nor are zombies mentioned on Rotten Tomatoes info, IMDB, or the film's official website.


On the film's website, the trailer has a Vimeo link to the film's Director, Toby Wilkins, so I put my "theory" to him: "... reminded me of John Carpenter's 'The Thing', though there was elements of 'from Beyond' and 'Invasion of the Bodysnatchers'. I've got a question for you. I think the film runs along the lines of the films I mention above and it is the Splinters that control the hosts and the host are not the things that are "hunting thier prey" but in fact the Splinters. But there's people who say this is a zombie film. I look at zombie films and think of Romero type zombies, Evil Dead Posessed zombies, or 28 Days Later "rage" zombies etc. The beings in your film don't seem like zombies to me. So my question is, is this a zombie film, or would you say it was something else?"

Toby replied: "You are correct! The hosts of the Splinter entity are nothing more than a source of nutrients and a source of a skeletal structure. It is irrelevant to the Splinter intity if the host is alive or dead, although the victim will certainly wish they were."

I don't want to decry the original source. Peter Dendle's 'Zombie Movie Encylopedia' it is an excellent book, but just because the source is a published work, does not mean it is 100% accurate or reliable source. I'm sure, like me, he's watched hundreds of zombie films, read countless books, comics and graphic novels on the subject as well as reading and watching material on the directors, writers and actors involved in those films...I didn't publish a book on the subject though. No matter how much "research" someone does on the subject, there is no definitive definition of a zombie. When you have the film Director's definition though, surely you have to go with that?

Also, I would like to apologise for editing the page without discussing it first, here in the talk. The whole editing process was rather overwhelming and I blundered in. So thank you to NinjaRobotPirate for pointing me in the right direction.


Mickusher (talk) 11:26, 23 August 2017 (UTC)Mickusher[reply]

I'm seeing reviews that consider it a zombie movie. IGN Hollywood Reporter OK Gazette. Screenrant calls it a virus movie [149] AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:12, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The rise of postmodernism and The Death of the Author makes authorial intent of dubious value in some academic circles. I'm not sure how much weight that should have on Wikipedia – I guess it depends on how you feel about postmodernism. I think people get too caught up in definitions of what a zombie film is. This Wikipedia article is a list of films that have been labeled as zombie films, nothing more or less. We use secondary sources to determine if the film qualifies as a zombie film. Per WP:ONUS, verifiability isn't the end-all of inclusion, but on a topic as subjective as "what counts as a zombie film?", I think we should generally stick to what the weight of sources say. This means avoiding fringe opinions but sometimes including films with which we may personally disagree. There are many contradictory definitions of a zombie film, and it's impossible to reconcile them all into one "true" definition that will satisfy every horror fan. This is something that Dendle discusses in his first book. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 21:30, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]


We're in agreement that there's no definitive zombie description, that's not the issue here.

I asked the director and co-writer of the film wether Splinter was a zombie film and he said it wasn't, surely that should carry more weight than Peter Dendle and some reviews? Talking of which, Peter Dendle says in his Encyclopedia ""A template monster movie with solid execution from Oklahoma offers an innovative take on the zombie, or at least on a creature that winds up conceptually close to a zombie" ...even he felt compelled to add that disclaimer as he seems unsure it is a zombie movie.

The examples you cite do not refer to the film as a zombie movie.

The IGN review referes to the film as a "Monster movie", repeatedly referring to those infected with Splinters as "monsters", not zombies.

The Hollywood Reporter doesn't call it a zombie movie either and referes to the infected as "creatures".

Other than in one instance calling one of the infected a "splinter-zombie", the OK Gazette repeatedly referes to the infected as "monster". Mickusher (talk) 17:26, 30 August 2017 (UTC)Mickusher[reply]

You sure about that? (bolding phrases below)"
  • IGN: "Taking cues from several subgenres, the film plays as part slasher, part monster movie, part zombie feature and part torture porn, with a pretty hefty dash of originality, particularly when it comes to the film's central monster, which spreads like a virus, but manifests itself as a treacherous monster. "
  • Hollywood Reporter: "The film now stagnates into a waiting game. You wait for the trapped victims' various schemes to fail so the siege -- and the movie -- can continue. You wait for that finger prick to start turning Dennis into a zombie. And you wait for the biologist Seth to figure out how to outfox the creatures."
  • OK Gazette: "Polly and Seth must make their peace with Dennis, their captor, and hunker down in the station to fend off the two splinter-zombies, while formulating an escape plan and trying to determine just what makes the monsters work."

It may be okay to add a footnote to say that the director agreed with you that they're not traditional zombies, but my point is that there are mainstream reviewers that describe the monsters as zombies. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:00, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]


IGN - "part zombie", e.g. it takes elements of the traditional zombie movie. So does Invasion of the Bodysnatchers, The Thing or The Crazies Hollywood Reporter - It says the viewer waiting for it to start "turning Dennis into a zombie". It doesn't say Dennis is a zombie. OK Gazette - Describing something as a "splinter-zombie" doesn't necessarily mean it is a zombie in the conventional sense. None of the reviews refer to it as a "zombie movie", and it is notable the lengths they go to avoid using the term "zombie" at all. I totally agree, a footnote saying the entry in the list is "debatable" (as Peter Dendle says), and that the writer/director thinks this is different to a zombie film, would seem like a solution. Even 28 Days Later has a disclaimer of sorts, (as does I am Legend which is certainly debatable).

I was wrong to delete Splinter's entry I should have raised it here in Talk - that was inexperience on my part and I have apologised for doing it. I don't think I am wrong about the inclusion of Splinter, (though I accept inclusion is debatable), and should be noted as a debated entry. Mickusher (talk) 14:24, 31 August 2017 (UTC)Mickusher[reply]

I still see reviews that group it among zombie films like New York Times [150] "These four will spend the next 90 minutes or so bickering and fighting off the strange, spiky predators, who turn the bodies of their victims into spastic, ravenous porcupine zombies." AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:59, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see the vimeo comment. [151] has 12 comments, but nothing about your correspondence. Can you provide the link for that? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:03, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]


Just because someone mentions a "zombie" doesn't mean it is a zombie film, (or even a zombie). Roger Ebert refers to The Crazies as a zombie film Filmsite.org repeatedly refers to zombies in a review of Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

There wasn't a vimeo comment, I sent him a personal message by clicking the link in the video window which takes you to the Director's Vimeo page, I then sent him a message from there, I took a screenshot of the conversation.

File:Conversation with Toby Wilkins
Conversation with Toby Wilkins

Mickusher (talk) 03:56, 1 September 2017 (UTC)Mickusher[reply]

Oh, dang, private correspondence can't be used as a reliable source. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 05:14, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Zombie film vs film with a zombie

I read through the archived talk pages and haven't seen this point addressed. Does a mere existence of a zombie in a film make it a zombie film? A specific case in point is the movie Hocus Pocus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hocus_Pocus_(1993_film) where a corpse named Billy is raised by the witches as a zombie. The focus of the movie is not on this event, character, or source of zombification, hence I am strongly inclined to say that this isn't a zombie film. However, what would be the proper guideline for this particular issue. I'm trying to compile a list of all zombie films from as many sources I can find, on a spreadsheet, that I'll eventually transfer over to here gradually, but for issues like this I'm asking for guidance since it's a challenging nuance to make a decision on. Please let me know what you guys think. Thank you.

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