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: I stand by my edits. Much of the information was company minutiae which has no place in the article. {{tq|"The Upton Machine Company, now a division of Nineteen Hundred Co. doubled their output in 1929.... The concern now caterd to some 4000 dealers throughout the nation."}} The company doubled its output after it had been combined with another company? This is hardly groundbreaking. Readers are also uninterested in Upton's company's concerns in 1929. This is filler. <span style="font-size:75%;border:2px solid red;border-radius:50px;font-color:#008">[[User:Spintendo|<span style="color:#008;"> <b>Spintendo</b> </span>]]</span> 01:48, 2 February 2020 (UTC) |
: I stand by my edits. Much of the information was company minutiae which has no place in the article. {{tq|"The Upton Machine Company, now a division of Nineteen Hundred Co. doubled their output in 1929.... The concern now caterd to some 4000 dealers throughout the nation."}} The company doubled its output after it had been combined with another company? This is hardly groundbreaking. Readers are also uninterested in Upton's company's concerns in 1929. This is filler. <span style="font-size:75%;border:2px solid red;border-radius:50px;font-color:#008">[[User:Spintendo|<span style="color:#008;"> <b>Spintendo</b> </span>]]</span> 01:48, 2 February 2020 (UTC) |
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TCL
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hi Spintendo,
Many thanks for your comment on the TCL Electronics Talk page. I have made the edit request per your guidelines and would be grateful if you can have a look and see if they look alright. Thanks and have a great day. --BCHK c (talk) 12:11, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
- Response given at the article's talk page. Regards, Spintendo 10:19, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks Spintendo, I have made some comments and would be grateful if you can spare some time reviewing that. Thanks! --BCHK c (talk) 10:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- I have reviewed your comments. As for the shares of the company, unfortunately I'm not able to review 6 pages of documents discussing in legal language who owns what. However, the citation template does contain a
|quote=
parameter which allows you to insert the text from the source which verifies the statements you wish to add. I would venture this to be a more efficient way of demonstrating that a source verifies a particular claim. With regards to the outdated company name, Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name in articles; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (WP:COMMONNAME) as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources, as such names will usually best fit an article's five WP:NAMINGCRITERIA. When there is no single, obvious name that is demonstrably the most frequently used for the topic by these sources, editors should reach a consensus as to which title is best by considering those criteria directly. Regards, Spintendo 13:34, 16 December 2019 (UTC)- Hi Spintendo, I am afraid this is not the case regarding the outdated company name matter. Those Chinese names in the page are no longer in use to refer TCL Electronics nowadays, perhaps you may want to check with any native editor to vertify this? As for the English company name displayed on top of the infobox, there seems to be a different treatment comparing to Samsung/LG Electronics where both their company names are displayed in full. Any idea on why the TCL's page should look differently? Also, the current displayed address in Hong Kong is not updated and so does the information regarding parent. What additional info is needed to justify the changes? For the share distribution, since we merely suggested to amend the figures of the respective shareholders in that infobox to reflect the current ownership, can you advise where should such citation be placed? Would that be the footer where I cited the source of this claim? --BCHK c (talk) 08:13, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- @BCHK c: (a) I've updated the infobox name to state TCL Electronics Holdings Limited. That is the name displayed in the footer found at their homepage. That states:
Copyright © 2008 TCL Electronics Holdings Limited All Rights Reserved
. A website's footer — because it contains important links to legal information such as privacy policies and user terms — is generally taken to be the most accurate depiction of what the company chooses to call itself. If the name is to be updated, I would suggest starting there. (b) As far as I can tell, the percentage of investors/owners you have in your proposal is listed as "other", which is something that is not very encyclopedic. (c) To change the Chinese spelling in the infobox, we need to make contact with an editor who is fluent in Chinese and familiar with handling COI edit requests. I will make inquiries for you and get back to you on that one. Thank you for your help! Regards, Spintendo 10:00, 17 December 2019 (UTC)- Thanks @Spintendo:. This is much appreciated. For (b), as there's no dedicated source that explains the share distribution of other shareholders, would that be fine if i just include TCL's figures in this case? Would also be great to hear back your feedback on the address and parent part. Thanks! --BCHK c (talk) 10:11, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- I don't see anything regarding the External links section in the request. As far as the ownership percentage, I covered that above, where I stated that the percentage of ownership requires a reference, while the reference you provided was 6 pages in length and the citation template did not make use of the
|quote=
parameter in order that the information could be found easily within the document. Regards, Spintendo 10:30, 17 December 2019 (UTC)- I have updated the changes under TCL Electronics Talk page. See if that fits what you are looking for? Sorry i am not good at coding, so if there's any way to trim down unnecessary info, please let me know. Thanks @Spintendo: --BCHK c (talk) 11:36, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- I've updated the
|parent=
and headquarter parameters. The HQ I placed as just cities or the island/ islands (Cayman and Hong Kong). The parent parameter guidance says nothing about including percentages, which are only used by the|owner=
parameter. Since TCL is a subsidiary of a company which is, itself, a subsidiary, the owner parameter is not used ("If the company is majority-owned by a single entity and as such is a subsidiary or division, omit the owner field and use the parent field instead. Do not use the owner field to indicate top-level ownership if it differs from the direct parent."
). Regards, Spintendo 13:55, 17 December 2019 (UTC)- Thanks @Spintendo:. I have added any batch of update, so would appreciate if you can spare some time reviewing that. --BCHK c (talk) 04:24, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- Partially implemented Future edit requests do not require notice here on my talk page. Please use
{{request edit}}
for all requests left on the article's talk page. Thank you! Regards, Spintendo 08:56, 20 December 2019 (UTC)- Hi @Spintendo:, Thanks for your attention on the TCL Electronics page. Can you please suggest on how to amend the second point, in order to pass the guideline? As I can see quite a few companies including LG Electronics and Samsung Electronics also mentioned similar information, including their size of global businesses and global market share. --BCHK c (talk) 11:46, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- Response given at the article's talk page. Spintendo 04:14, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- Hi @Spintendo:, Thanks for your attention on the TCL Electronics page. Changes were made according to your suggestions and guidelines, please check and help to update our page accordingly. Thanks!. --BCHK c (talk) 11:55, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- Please use
{{request edit}}
on the article's talk page for new or revised edit requests. Regards, Spintendo 08:19, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
- Please use
- Hi @Spintendo:, Thanks for your attention on the TCL Electronics page. Changes were made according to your suggestions and guidelines, please check and help to update our page accordingly. Thanks!. --BCHK c (talk) 11:55, 30 December 2019 (UTC)
- Response given at the article's talk page. Spintendo 04:14, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- Hi @Spintendo:, Thanks for your attention on the TCL Electronics page. Can you please suggest on how to amend the second point, in order to pass the guideline? As I can see quite a few companies including LG Electronics and Samsung Electronics also mentioned similar information, including their size of global businesses and global market share. --BCHK c (talk) 11:46, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
- Partially implemented Future edit requests do not require notice here on my talk page. Please use
- Thanks @Spintendo:. I have added any batch of update, so would appreciate if you can spare some time reviewing that. --BCHK c (talk) 04:24, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
- I've updated the
- I have updated the changes under TCL Electronics Talk page. See if that fits what you are looking for? Sorry i am not good at coding, so if there's any way to trim down unnecessary info, please let me know. Thanks @Spintendo: --BCHK c (talk) 11:36, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- I don't see anything regarding the External links section in the request. As far as the ownership percentage, I covered that above, where I stated that the percentage of ownership requires a reference, while the reference you provided was 6 pages in length and the citation template did not make use of the
- Thanks @Spintendo:. This is much appreciated. For (b), as there's no dedicated source that explains the share distribution of other shareholders, would that be fine if i just include TCL's figures in this case? Would also be great to hear back your feedback on the address and parent part. Thanks! --BCHK c (talk) 10:11, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- @BCHK c: (a) I've updated the infobox name to state TCL Electronics Holdings Limited. That is the name displayed in the footer found at their homepage. That states:
- Hi Spintendo, I am afraid this is not the case regarding the outdated company name matter. Those Chinese names in the page are no longer in use to refer TCL Electronics nowadays, perhaps you may want to check with any native editor to vertify this? As for the English company name displayed on top of the infobox, there seems to be a different treatment comparing to Samsung/LG Electronics where both their company names are displayed in full. Any idea on why the TCL's page should look differently? Also, the current displayed address in Hong Kong is not updated and so does the information regarding parent. What additional info is needed to justify the changes? For the share distribution, since we merely suggested to amend the figures of the respective shareholders in that infobox to reflect the current ownership, can you advise where should such citation be placed? Would that be the footer where I cited the source of this claim? --BCHK c (talk) 08:13, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- I have reviewed your comments. As for the shares of the company, unfortunately I'm not able to review 6 pages of documents discussing in legal language who owns what. However, the citation template does contain a
- Thanks Spintendo, I have made some comments and would be grateful if you can spare some time reviewing that. Thanks! --BCHK c (talk) 10:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Requested edits at Talk:HYPR Corp
I asked Bri like you told me to about the flags and he is OK if an univolved editor remove the flags. [1] Would you please help me with this edit? Thanks for everything. Kriptocurrency (talk) 15:28, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
- Response given at the article's talk page. Regards, Spintendo 01:31, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
References
- Thanks, I replied to you at the talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:HYPR_Corp#Reply_26-NOV-2019. Kriptocurrency (talk) 13:37, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- Hey! I left new comments for you on Talk:HYPR Corp. Regards Kriptocurrency (talk) 19:24, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- Response given at the article's talk page. Regards, Spintendo 20:43, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks you very much. I've just answered at the talk page. Kriptocurrency (talk) 12:09, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Spintendo, I asked about Fortune (magazine) at the reliable sources noticeboard and two experienced editor have agreed on the reliability of the Fortune article. Here is the link (Fortune discussion). Also, I've left a comment on Talk:HYPR Corp with some references that aren't included in the article but could help proving notability, maybe we could add them later. Could you check on these please? Thanks. Kriptocurrency (talk) 10:48, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- I've updated the checklist with two of the suggested references. I hope it helps, although it might be better to ask an editor who is more experienced in notability requirements — as my experience is in COI edit requests, which involve only content requirements. Let me know if either of those two sources need to be added to the article, and where they should be placed. Thnks! Regards, Spintendo 10:34, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hello thanks for your answer, you suggested that I ask an experienced editor about it but I dont know how would take the time to discuss... Anyways, I have to say that I don't agree with you on DarkReading and Fortune articles not being secondary sources. An interview can be considered a primary source, WP:SECONDARY states that a secondary source is one that gives information about a primary source and in these cases the author aren't doing the interview but giving their opinion on something Avetisov said. I don't see clearly why these sources don't qualify. I am sorry to bother you so much, I just want to understand reasons. Thanks again. Kriptocurrency (talk) 23:11, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Primary sources are materials directly related to a topic by time or participation, and that includes interviews which provide firsthand accounts about a person, event, or a company. In these instances, Avetisov is the one explaining the items being discussed, and the information that is placed in the Wikipedia article is information that comes directly from Avetisov. If Fortune had conducted its own research along with the interview, and claims from that research were placed in the Wikipedia article, then the source would be considered secondary. Regards, Spintendo 03:13, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hello @Spintendo:, Thanks for everything, the article was cleaned up by user, he is totally unrelated to Hyper Corp. Could you remove the Undisclosed payment maintenance tag? most of the article is made by unrelated users and we are always following Wikipedia guidelines. Kriptocurrency (talk) 22:48, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
- I've already stated my position on whether or not the
{{UPE}}
template should be removed. As the article has been nominated for deletion, the issue might prove to be irrelevant. Regards, Spintendo 06:46, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- I've already stated my position on whether or not the
- Hello @Spintendo:, Thanks for everything, the article was cleaned up by user, he is totally unrelated to Hyper Corp. Could you remove the Undisclosed payment maintenance tag? most of the article is made by unrelated users and we are always following Wikipedia guidelines. Kriptocurrency (talk) 22:48, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
- Primary sources are materials directly related to a topic by time or participation, and that includes interviews which provide firsthand accounts about a person, event, or a company. In these instances, Avetisov is the one explaining the items being discussed, and the information that is placed in the Wikipedia article is information that comes directly from Avetisov. If Fortune had conducted its own research along with the interview, and claims from that research were placed in the Wikipedia article, then the source would be considered secondary. Regards, Spintendo 03:13, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hello thanks for your answer, you suggested that I ask an experienced editor about it but I dont know how would take the time to discuss... Anyways, I have to say that I don't agree with you on DarkReading and Fortune articles not being secondary sources. An interview can be considered a primary source, WP:SECONDARY states that a secondary source is one that gives information about a primary source and in these cases the author aren't doing the interview but giving their opinion on something Avetisov said. I don't see clearly why these sources don't qualify. I am sorry to bother you so much, I just want to understand reasons. Thanks again. Kriptocurrency (talk) 23:11, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- I've updated the checklist with two of the suggested references. I hope it helps, although it might be better to ask an editor who is more experienced in notability requirements — as my experience is in COI edit requests, which involve only content requirements. Let me know if either of those two sources need to be added to the article, and where they should be placed. Thnks! Regards, Spintendo 10:34, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Spintendo, I asked about Fortune (magazine) at the reliable sources noticeboard and two experienced editor have agreed on the reliability of the Fortune article. Here is the link (Fortune discussion). Also, I've left a comment on Talk:HYPR Corp with some references that aren't included in the article but could help proving notability, maybe we could add them later. Could you check on these please? Thanks. Kriptocurrency (talk) 10:48, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks you very much. I've just answered at the talk page. Kriptocurrency (talk) 12:09, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
- Response given at the article's talk page. Regards, Spintendo 20:43, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hey! I left new comments for you on Talk:HYPR Corp. Regards Kriptocurrency (talk) 19:24, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, I replied to you at the talk page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:HYPR_Corp#Reply_26-NOV-2019. Kriptocurrency (talk) 13:37, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Updated my request for Honeywell
Hi Spintendo, I apologize for the misunderstanding. I have taken the appropriate steps to fix the request on my sandbox's talk page. Can you take a look here before I add this back to the Honeywell talk page in-case it needs an edit. Also, can you let me know if it looks ready to add back to the article? Thanks! --Chefmikesf (talk) 21:59, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Chefmikesf: In answer to your question, I don't think you should post the edit request as it is formatted now in the sandbox. The request is very long and confusing, as each item to be changed is not easily ascertained. The main issue when posting a lot of information is that the information needs to be easily scanned by the reviewer. That means using certain techniques to make certain parts of the request stand out in the reader's eye line. See this post for an example of how I make edit requests myself. Notice in that request how I give all four needed elements — the old text, the new text, the location of the text and the references (which in that case, was the text). All of the items should be easy to spot, and a clear demarcation should be set between each successive item. Notice how much clearer one set of numbering is from another set:
Difficult and ideal numbering
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Difficult numbering:
1. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ideal numbering:
Request A. Request B. Request C. |
- In the example above, notice how much easier it is to find the correction with the reference dated 2008 in the ideal numbering section, as opposed to how difficult it is to find the reference dated 2008 in the difficult numbering section. Also notice how difficult it is to figure out which text the 2008 reference is supposed to change. In the ideal section, it's obvious which text is impacted by the 2008 reference, because it's grouped together. In the difficult section, who knows if the text to be changed is below the 2008 reference or above it. I'm not saying you need to go to these extremes to demarcate the text, but when you are posting as much information to be changed as you are, it is helpful to be as distinct as possible. If you have any questions about this, please don't hesitate to ask. Regards, Spintendo 13:34, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
- Hello Spintendo, Thanks for the input. I reformatted the edit requests and will integrate the feedback into my future requests. To your first point, I added Location: to each of the subsections so the reviewer can quickly determine what to update. Next, I changed the font of the requests and reasons to stand out from the "current" or "proposed" content. When appropriate, I made the specifics for the request bold as well. All the references are included in the Reference TalkBox. There may be some duplicates with the old text, new text format. What are your thoughts on the updates? Here is the format I used:
Extended content
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Location:
1. Request and Reason: Current: Proposed: |
- --Chefmikesf (talk) 00:45, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- I see three problems with the styling you've used. (a) The space placed before request and reason only displays the text from that line as a different font in certain browsers. The space bar is not actually a very useful tool in formatting requests. (b) The word location has been placed above the number which presumably contains the information, separating the location from the text to be changed. That may not be problematic with number #1, but by placing the location before the number, by the time you get to #2, the location for number 2 will be connected with the text from number #1. (c) You've mentioned duplicate entries, which never make for easily readable requests. Regards, Spintendo 02:19, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- Hello Spintendo, To address this feedback:
- (a) You have a good point, the format change may not show up on other browsers. I thought this was OK because it is one of the features/options for formatting in the toolbar bar in the Wiki editor. So there is no confusion, I changed the request and reason line like so: Request and Reason:
- (b)I reduced the location to only the main subsections from the content outline. Each new location starts a new set of descending numbers
- (c)I initially added the duplicated content so the editor can see the broader concept. I removed this if it makes the reviewers job more difficult.
- I see three problems with the styling you've used. (a) The space placed before request and reason only displays the text from that line as a different font in certain browsers. The space bar is not actually a very useful tool in formatting requests. (b) The word location has been placed above the number which presumably contains the information, separating the location from the text to be changed. That may not be problematic with number #1, but by placing the location before the number, by the time you get to #2, the location for number 2 will be connected with the text from number #1. (c) You've mentioned duplicate entries, which never make for easily readable requests. Regards, Spintendo 02:19, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- --Chefmikesf (talk) 00:45, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
- --Chefmikesf (talk) 21:10, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
- Hello Spintendo,
- Above, I addressed how I updated the edit request in my sandbox. I am following back to confirm I have brought this edit request within the protocols to post back to the Honeywell talk page. Can you confirm your thoughts on the edits? Best---Chefmikesf (talk) 22:31, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
- Please provide the link to whichever page you're referring to — or if posting your request on the article's talk page, be sure to use the
{{request edit}}
template. Regards, Spintendo 08:15, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
- Please provide the link to whichever page you're referring to — or if posting your request on the article's talk page, be sure to use the
- --Chefmikesf (talk) 21:10, 18 December 2019 (UTC)
Dariush Mozaffarian's Page
Hi Spintendo, I addressed your comments/questions on Dariush Mozaffarian's talk page on December 30th, but I have not received a response from you. Could you please respond? Oszabo01 (talk) 03:11, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
- Edit requests for the Mozaffarian article need to use the
{{request edit}}
template on the article's talk page. All of the current edit requests on that page have been responded to, and anything which appeared to be missing was mentioned as needing to be supplied. Sorry for the delay, but if you have missing information for an older request, it's best to place it as a new edit request in order for it to be handled expeditiously. Regards, Spintendo 16:58, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Input request on Battletoads (video game)
Hi there. I just saw you pinged me asking for input here and while I'm greatly honored to be taken into account, I'm also very curious why my name came up as having a say on this. Cheers! --uKER (talk) 07:55, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
- I looked at the edit history and randomly picked an editor's name that came up a lot. I was hoping you'd be more familiar with the page and could offer input on whether the requested item should be included. Regards, Spintendo 08:06, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Chase Coleman III
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
A heads up I've responded to your reply on the Chase Coleman III Talk Page. NinaSpezz (talk) 15:28, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- Response given at the article's talk page. Regards, Spintendo 16:37, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for your response. A heads up I've since posted a reply at Chase Coleman III Talk Page. NinaSpezz (talk) 21:45, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
- Response given at the article's talk page. Regards, Spintendo 18:54, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for your response. A heads up I've since posted a reply at Chase Coleman III Talk Page. NinaSpezz (talk) 21:45, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
Honeywell
Hi Spintendo, I responded to your reply on the Honeywell Talk Page--Chefmikesf (talk) 01:21, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- I have read the above message. I will reply when I have a moment. Spintendo 21:56, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
- Response given at the article's talk page. Regards, Spintendo 02:54, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hello Spintendo, Thanks again for your collaboration on this. I kept my response on the Honeywell Talk Page thread but responding here for visibility.--Chefmikesf (talk) 15:53, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
- Response given at the article's talk page. Regards, Spintendo 02:54, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
Sainthood
Hi! I think you are a patient saint for answering all those edit request so calmly over on Talk:Kent Tate. I saw the talk about older accounts with the same interest. Since you know the article better than I do, would you say this would article would benefit from an SPI? There seem to be a lot of largely SPA accounts, Kent Tate included, interested in this. I feel like some machinations are occurring off-wiki in the production and/or deletion of the article. I am wondering if you have the same sense. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:07, 15 January 2020 (UTC)
- @ThatMontrealIP: It wasn't my impression that there was socking going on with this article, but as JBW said, the COI editor has been trying to get a different article approved — getting through the back door what won't fit through the front — but I don't know which accounts were doing this. I suppose it's in an artist's nature to be creative in general, so perhaps the AFD is just another way of creating the article that they want. If anything, I hope it at least clarifies what the article really needs. Warm regards, Spintendo 01:48, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Follow-up on changes to Julie Brill's page
Hi Spintendo, can you take a look at the changes I made to the COI edit request for Julie Brill? Let me know, thanks so much, TechSeaSpokes2004 (talk) 22:05, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
- I have read the above message. I will reply when I have a moment. Spintendo 21:55, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Suggested Battletoads editors
It appears that the next step is for me to discuss this with some of the significant editors for the article. At this stage, however, I don’t enough about Wikipedia to figure out who they are. If you don’t mind, when you get a few spare moments could you please point me to 2 or 3 of them? BTW, I managed to find a review of the book, as well as a wiki entry. Thanks again for your help. GameMaven (talk) 03:36, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
- @GameMaven: Thank you for your question. A good way to gauge an article's user activity is to take a look at the edit history. That shows the editors for a page as well as what type of edits the editors have performed. Another way to seek out assistance would be to post requests for feedback at the talk pages of the WikiProjects which govern the article. Those projects are listed at the top of an article's talk page in the header boxes. Regards, Spintendo 21:51, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
Follow-up on Randy Olson page
Hi Spintendo. I saw you closed the request edit I made for the Randy Olson page with the suggestion that I talk to the editor who added the advertising tag to see their reasoning for placing it there. Ronz, the editor I was working with on the request edit, actually was the one who added the advertising tag.
I’ve tried multiple times, both with request edits on the Randy Olson talk page, and on Ronz’s own talk page, to question them as to what material needs to be removed or changed to remove the tag. After removing all primary sources and anything that sounds too much like advertising, I’m not sure what else to do and Ronz has stopped answering my direct question about what else needs to be removed. You can see in the latest request edit that I asked Ronz several times what to remove and they never answered.
In an earlier request edit, Ronz did say “I don't think the tag should be removed without careful, independent review.” I’m not sure how to go about getting that kind of independent review.
Could you please advise as to what I should do if the person who placed the advertising tag on the Randy Olson page to no longer responds to questions about what needs to be changed and recommends I get an independent review?
Thanks Mattmdavid (talk) 19:48, 26 January 2020 (UTC)Mattmdavid
Reply 31-JAN-2020
@Mattmdavid: Thank you for your question. As a rule, I always try to leave it to the assigning editor whether or not maintenance templates should be removed. Routine COI edit requests ask for non-controversial changes to be made to an article, such as a sentence being removed, added, etc. The removal of a maintenance template, on the contrary, is controversial because it involves an editor's point of view on the article's state of being. Edit requests involving controversial proposals such as the one proposed here are not recommended for use with the {{request edit}}
template.[1] You've asked what to do when an editor abrogates their authority to participate in the discussion, instead asking that others intervene. In that response, Ronz did not indicate how they currently view the page.
That is unfortunate, because their opinion is very important here — it was that opinion which brought us to the question we are dealing with now. For them to sidestep involvement is a shame — but completely understandable in the Wikipedia volunteer-based environment where there is competition for an editor's attention and time. It's very likely that Ronz, who I know to be a diligent and conscientious editor, simply is too busy in other areas and can't give the assistance they would like to have given.
That being said, their initial concern which prompted the template should not be ignored because they cannot participate. They've stated that they'd like another editor to review it. My suggestion would be for you to take the article to one of the Wikiprojects which governs it, and ask through the project's talkpage if there are editors willing to look over the article and see if they can't determine if the issues that Ronz saw have been fixed.[a] Regards, Spintendo 10:43, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
- I simply don't have the time to look into this now or any time soon. My recollection is that the article is too dependent on promotional sources. --Ronz (talk) 18:02, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Template:Request edit instructions". Wikipedia. 15 December 2019.
Instructions for Reviewers: Do not insert controversial requests without clear consensus. When these are requested, ask the submitter to discuss the edits instead with regular contributors on the article's talk page. You can decline the request using {{request edit|D|D}}.
Notes
- ^ My guess is that Ronz either (a) doesn't believe the issues have been fixed, or (b) they have an expectation that if they were to begin looking at the article, the issues would quickly be seen as not having been fixed. Otherwise they would have just removed the template themselves — any time management issues notwithstanding.
Reply 26-JAN-2020
Thank you for your question. In looking at the Olson page, I see several issues with it:
- One reference to IMDb
- A few references which contain broken URLs
- The claim that his research on
"the dispersal of larvae of marine organisms on coral reefs has been described as "some of the best work in that field"
uses four references (one of which is broken) where there is no inline attribution to whom has said this about Olson's work. - The fact that the lead section takes an inordinate amount of space describing his films, especially as "involving humor". Whatever tactics his films use in order to sell the subject's message is immaterial, and shouldn't be mentioned in the lead section.
I hope this helps. Regards, Spintendo 22:59, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you! This is just the kind of feedback I needed! I'll work on making the changes and submit a new request edit. Mattmdavid (talk) 23:20, 26 January 2020 (UTC)Mattmdavid
Re: Canada's National Ballet School requested edits
Hello! Thank you for your attention to my proposed edits on the Canada's National Ballet School page. Your suggestions were helpful. I replied to your review with a correction of a paragraph for which I had inadvertently bundled the sources at the end instead of disbursing them appropriately. Hopefully this is more in line with Wikipedia's integrity policy, but please let me know if I can do anything further to get it where it needs to be.
Thanks. Wigmachine77 (talk) 17:46, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Mike Sievert
Hi! Quick update for you at Talk:Mike Sievert. Thanks! Mary Gaulke (talk) 18:55, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Tiger Management / Tiger Global Redirect
A heads up I've tagged you in a note at Chase Coleman III Talk Page. Please let me know if there is a different venue on which this conversation about an inappropriate page redirect should take place. NinaSpezz (talk) 17:08, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
Louis Upton
Was it really necessary to delete all of that info? I get cleaning up to be less story-like but feel you deleted some notable info. 99.203.11.33 (talk) 00:50, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
- I stand by my edits. Much of the information was company minutiae which has no place in the article.
"The Upton Machine Company, now a division of Nineteen Hundred Co. doubled their output in 1929.... The concern now caterd to some 4000 dealers throughout the nation."
The company doubled its output after it had been combined with another company? This is hardly groundbreaking. Readers are also uninterested in Upton's company's concerns in 1929. This is filler. Spintendo 01:48, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
Changes to entry for Neal Ashkanasy
Dear Spintendo
Can you please make the following chapgers to my entry?
1. Please replace my photo with File:Neal Ashkanasy taken 22 MAR 2019.jpg.
2. Please remove the "No source cited" tag for "Early Life and Education". The source for this information is Who's Who in Australia (https://connectweb.com.au/search.aspx?f=1&q=ashkanasy&t=1&c=austrailia&pub=all#results). Let me know if you need anything further re. this. (It's not accessible in the public domain, but I can send you a copy of my entry from the 2017 edition if you would like.)
3. Please add to Awards: Academy of Management MOC Distinguisned Scholar Award (see https://moc.aom.org/awards/scholars.)
Thanks you in advance. Let me know if you need anythiung further.
Kind wishes Neal Ashkanasy Nealash (talk) 05:14, 2 February 2020 (UTC)