Talk:2020 Delhi riots

Title

User:203.13.166.18 your proposal of Delhi Riots is not acceptable since 1. This is only happening in NE delhi, 2. there are many many riots over the years in Delhi. We will need to add year in that case. Currently, the media and news are using NE Delhi riots/ NE Delhi clashes/ NE Delhi violence. so we can drop the year. --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 14:43, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Background

DBigXray The background need corrections. It was not about Shaheen Bagh, but new protests started 2 days ago, sit-in protest at Jaffrabad Metro Station/Chandbagh/Maujpur. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 So need immediate correction or else its sending a wrong message. Second, cops helping the pro-CAA rioters for stone pelting 6 and brought trucks of stones at the site for starting riots 7 Dey subrata (talk) 14:45, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Check this 8. Dey subrata (talk) 14:47, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Dey subrata, check now. I have tried to made a few changes. SBagh protests are used by some sources. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 14:52, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

No it was not for Shaheen Bagh, its totally separate place, better to write "multiple sit-in peaceful protest started". Wait, I am addinng the draft here. Dey subrata (talk) 14:57, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

alright, I have completely removed Shaheen bagh. Dey subrata please check again. Please add content if I missed something. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 15:00, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

DBigXray Added little bit more, check. I will check for other articles, may be more information are there. Dey subrata (talk) 15:29, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Dey subrata, thanks. I made some copy edits to it. The riots section can be expanded with details of violence. also see WP:ITNC ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 15:48, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

DBigXray Anything to take out of this. 1 2. A separate section ?? Dey subrata (talk) 16:31, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Dey subrata, yes start a section on "Attack on Journalists" ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 16:50, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Dey subrata, here are some articles [1] [2] ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 17:02, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Resolved

 – added and edited accordingly

Dey subrata (talk) 01:55, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Police

What about cops inefficiency and involvements. Reports showing that they could have stopped this before it could have started rather helped the pro-CAA and right wings 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Dey subrata (talk) 19:59, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

We must not use twitter. Telegraph, Scroll is fine. Verification result of Altnews can be added --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 20:04, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I have added twitter link of journalist reporting from site, that thread is of Reuters' journalist. Dey subrata (talk) 20:22, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Dey subrata, I do understand but the twitter feed is raw and has not undergone uditorial oversight. hence unfit. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 20:53, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Ok lets wait for media articles on the same. Dey subrata (talk) 20:56, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I have removed a para which uses tweets as source. Let's wait out for more info. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 22:11, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

The removed materials are restored, second part of the discussion is about the police involvement, not the journos thing. However, police involvement articles and video reporting by prime times of channels already been published, will be added soon by evening. Dey subrata (talk) 01:53, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

DBigXray tag for archiving. I am just in awe seeing number of edit requests and their raw comments of name calling, how much people are brainwashed. Dey subrata (talk) 18:18, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Complaints

User:Coffeeandcrumbs, In the Indian legal system, Complaint is the first step. As you can see in the inline citation, it notes that 2 complaints were filed. It means that Police has been informed about the incident and a formal police case has been asked to be initiated. Police will then initiate the police case by filing an FIR (report), do the investigation, then file chargesheet and the case will goto court. Hope this helps. I have already clarified this and removed the clarify tag, let me know if you still have questions. --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 19:20, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

DBigXray, thanks. I knew it must have been a common term for Indians. I just wanted a little clarification which you have now provided in the article. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 19:22, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Coffeeandcrumbs, Thanks for bringing this up. It is hard to make an article fit for global readers without useful questions such as this one. regards. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 19:24, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Resolved

 – seems the concern is being clarified Dey subrata (talk) 02:26, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Man who shot at police

Need to add a paragraph on this. [3] [4] [5] [6] —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 21:24, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

In section "Incidents on 24 February" the line Ratan Lal had received head injuries from a stone thrown at him in Gokulpuri. was initial report. But per autopsy report, Constable Ratan Lal died of a bullet injury.[7] —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 21:24, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Sarvatra I have included the autopsy report. No RS says the man named Sharukh had killed the cop, so it would be wrong to say that in the article.

ABP says the pistol holding man was in Jafrabad, while Lal died in Gokulpuri. So clearly they are separate incidents.--⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 21:46, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Yeah those two were separate things, I should have written them in different sections. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 21:49, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Sarvatra, another point is wP:DUE. According to doctors treating the injured more than half were bullet wounds. So clearly there are more than one man shooting around. It is obvious why Media houses are putting too much spotlight on one Muslim guy, I am sure he would have been totally ignored had he not been Muslim. In anycase I am trying to say that the fact that a few media houses are giving him a disproportionate amount of coverage, does not mean Wikipedia must do the same. You can refer to international media and how they are covering the incident. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 21:54, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I didn't mean it at all that the arrested man shot the police constable. Like I said, I should have written both the things in different sections, didn't do so in hurry. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 22:08, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

As far as It is obvious why Media houses ..... had he not been Muslim is concerned, I prefer to not add my own opinion or analysis to the article I edit. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 22:08, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Sarvatra, I was responding to your first line, that "need to add a paragraph on this". The article must follow WP:NPOV. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 22:11, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done discussion resumed in the next section. Dey subrata (talk) 03:39, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Shooter at Jafrabad

In the afternoon, a shooter fired eight rounds of bullets indiscriminately and also pointed his pistol at a cop who was trying to confront him. Per altnews, the man was a part of anti-CAA mob and initially was mistaken to be a part of pro-CAA crowd. The shooter was later identified by the police was arrested next day after an FIR was registered against him.

References

@DBigXray: I have undone your edit. Multiple sources, including NDTV, have reported his arrest. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 09:07, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

And I have moved it here on the talk page. Please do not WP:EW over this. This is a content dispute and it needs to be discussed for wP:CONSENSUS. Please respond to the issues I raised in the section above. --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 09:15, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Your concerns were about man shooting the police constable are already taken care of. In my edit, it is clear that "man pointed gun at policeman", and NOT that "it was him who shot the policeman". This is backed up by the sources added. Anything else? —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 09:20, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Sarvatra, yes, why is this unknown man being singled out with complete disregard to wP:BLPNAME ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 09:27, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

He's the only person among all protesters (pro or anti-CAA) who had a gun, and pointed at a police constable, and fired shots using the gun. The name can be dropped. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 09:35, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Sarvatra, "He's the only person who had a gun" wow, thats a big claim. source please. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 09:47, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Per reports so far, yes. You have any source for other people brandishing guns at policemen and shooting? —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 09:51, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

No, it is you who is claiming he is special and deserves a mention in a para. Based on 50% bullet wounds, many were carrying guns and I dont consider him worthy enough of a mention. I would rather cover the deaths and the arson . ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 09:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

And a man firing shots illegally in front of the police is not relevant? Similar incidents of shooting were also covered in other article about anti-CAA protests. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 10:03, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

@DBigXray i think the issue here is there is an identifiable perpetrator.The person confronted the police officer,shoved him and shot the bullets into the air perhaps as an act of intimidation.There was no reported injuries to the police officer however.User:UrbanCentrist

Yes, I am totally aware of what he did. Perpetrator of what exactly ? The problem here is, he is of no encyclopedic value to Wikipedia. had he been a brutal murderer for a few people, he probably could have found a mention here. But that is not the case, for now. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 15:40, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

@DBigXray The incident can be interpreted that it represents a single identifiable point of escalation of violence.I think when someone reads this article it would be useful information to understand that the event included an armed gunman confronting a police officer — Preceding unsigned comment added by UrbanCentrist (talk • contribs) 16:10, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Please WP:SIGN and WP:INDENT your posts. Interepreted as such by whom ? If an WP:RS says that then we can probably add that. As of now this is of no useful value. Here is a question. Do you think that a gunman confronting a cop is more useful or a cop shot dead ? I would say the latter. regards. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 16:13, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Quoting the India Today article "as tension continued to simmer in Delhi's Jaffrabad and Maujpur areas a day after clashes, a youth opened fire on the streets on Monday afternoon in the same area while the police tried to control him.A man was seen pointing his country-made pistol at the police personnel on the Jaffrabad-Maujpur road. The man fired 8 rounds before the police overpowered him. He was later identified as Shahrukh, a local." I think a cop being shot dead and gunman confronting a cop are both useful information.With regards to the confrontation it was an observable incident where as the dead shot cop was hidden in the fog of violence.Since a timeline is mentioned it would be useful to provide that information as it was a unique circumstance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UrbanCentrist (talk • contribs) 17:07, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

DBigXray I have added this one previously seeing the coverage by all prominent media, and also taking care of the WP:NEUTRAL and WP:NOTE polices for which name was not added. Someone might have added something else after my edits last night, for which the discussion is here now. My line was "In the afternoon, a shooter fired eight rounds of bullets indiscriminately and also pointed his pistol at a cop who was trying to confront him. The shooter was later identified and was detained and questioned about his intentions." Dey subrata (talk) 19:24, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Dey subrata, and UrbanCentrist please look at the big picture 25 dead and more than 200 injured. And here we are bickering about a guy who waved his gun and fired in the air (didn;t even kill or injure any one). I suggest we focus on other major points that need to be added. I really appreciate UrbanCentrist, patiently discussing this with me, unfortunately I am still not convinced if we should add it. Let me ask, are foreign media, Reuters, BBC covering this ? ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 19:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

No I am just saying that was my line, and if it could be added, secondly, I am also waiting for police to release any statement on identification of shooters in several incidents, then can be added I think. We can wait. Dey subrata (talk) 19:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes i think it is preferable to wait.Should the other shooters be identified it would be not as important to cover this.--UrbanCentrist (talk) 02:50, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Expanding the lead

User:QEDK can you help in expanding the lead to cover the article. The lead doesn't include anything about the violence. --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 21:48, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Sure, why not! --qedk (t 桜 c) 21:48, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

User:DBigXray With reference to the 1984 anti-Sikh riots and 2002 Gujarat Riots articles, is it really necessary to include the "Lead Figures" section in this article? Aswin8 (talk) 13:34, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

The Delhi High Court has asked the Police to file cases against them for hate speech that caused the violence. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 14:24, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

And just like in the above mentioned two articles, can that matter not be mentioned in the main body of the article, rather than in a half-filled section of "Lead Figures"? Aswin8 (talk) 17:33, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

The other articles are different from this one. Here a protest was going on. And a leader brought his supporters to get engaged. Secondly, the other names mentioned who delivred hate speech which is now being asked by court to take actions. So appropriate enough to put it. Dey subrata (talk) 03:04, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Add a line about acid thrown on paramilitary forces

Reported here. Acid has been thrown at the paramilitary forces from the top of the houses in Karawal Nagar in Delhi. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 04:56, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Sarvatra, please add ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 05:29, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Added. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 21:00, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Kindly use citation templates (or simply use the "automatic cite" option in the future. (WP:CITE) SerTanmay (talk) 21:03, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

 Added mentioned per discussion Dey subrata (talk) 03:41, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2020

2409:4042:2087:1AFA:0:0:1756:48A4 (talk) 05:06, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Kapil Mishra has not been proved Guilty, so Don't make him a Scapegoat for your Anti Hindu Hatred.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The article nowhere states that he is guilty. What are you taking about. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 05:08, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Addition of information regarding anti caa protestors starting the violence AaRonBran (talk) 08:57, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Please provide reliable sources for this claim. --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 18:59, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2020

Rioters killed Rahul Solanki in cold blood after muslim mobs attacked hindu houses. Muslim mob killed Vinod a resident of Brahmapuri street number 01 in cold blood by lynching him in front of his son. https://www.jagran.com/delhi/new-delhi-city-ncr-delhi-violence-know-about-rahul-solanki-who-killed-in-caa-protest-20064151.html

Mohd Shahrukh was arrested for firing 8 rounds on police personnel after his gun wielding video clip and pics went viral. 2409:4053:228B:3EA4:26E8:916:629B:A243 (talk) 05:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Also follow WP:NPOV ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 05:58, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

@DBigXray

i couldn't find anything regarding the perpetrators of the attack on Rahul Solanki

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51612461

https://www.bbc.com/hindi/india-51625723

https://www.opindia.com/2020/02/delhi-anti-caa-violence-muslim-mob-jaffrabad-maujpur-chandbagh-police-murder-stone-pelting/

the only source for the second claim is a right wing newspaper — Preceding unsigned comment added by UrbanCentrist (talk • contribs) 14:02, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

UrbanCentrist, if the reliable sources are not saying something then Wikipedia cannot add that. The link does not support the claims the IP user is making, so we cannot possibly accept them. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 14:22, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

@DBigXray i simply wanted to expand on the discussion so that someone else could explore it in detail — Preceding unsigned comment added by UrbanCentrist (talk • contribs) 14:55, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Removing Kapil Mishra photo

The article in its current form has a lot of details other than the provocative statements by Kapil Mishra. His photo just takes most of the focus away from all those details, as if he's the most important part of the entire article. I say his picture should be removed. Discuss if disagree. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 06:27, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Sarvatra, He is the central figure in this riot. He has to be mentioned and hence his pic is relevant. I have reverted the removal. I will add more quotes from Mishra. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 06:34, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I am suggesting only to remove his picture, not any other content, as pictures grab focus. Makes the article look like more about him than anything else. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 06:46, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Sarvatra, I am against this proposal for reasons above. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 06:48, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

What relevance does Amit Shah's photo have to the article? M4DU7 (talk) 09:41, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

M4DU7, he is calling the shots. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 09:46, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Can you explain what you mean by "calling the shots" and why his picture is needed? M4DU7 (talk) 09:55, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Home Minister is the in-charge of Law and order in Delhi. He controls Delhi Police and all the central paramilitary fources like RAF, CRPF, etc. All the law and order meetings are being held under his chairmanship. Hence all the responsibility for allowing this riot to spread and the deaths directly falls on him. This is exacly the reason wby opposition parties are asking for his head.⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 09:58, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

What the opposition asks for is hardly relevant here. I'd agree with you if the SC or HC called out Shah and held him responsible for the riot to spread. But otherwise, it is highly inappropriate to divert the focus to him. M4DU7 (talk) 10:15, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

M4DU7, I am expanding the content on Amit Shah and recent updates. Apparently Shah chaired 3 meetings in 24 hours, I will return to this discussion once ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 10:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

M4DU7 The article did not say that HM Shah is reposnsible, the photo clearly mentioned the law and order is his responsibilities, I don't see any confusion, CM Kejriwal used the CrPC section 130 and asked the para-millitary force from Shah, but he eventualy refused on 25th citing everthing was looked after. So yes, its very relevant to add the photograph of the person whose responsibilty was to maintain law and order. Dey subrata (talk) 20:21, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

He is not a central figure in the riot since lot of such inciting statements were made by saveral leaders.Lot of unnecessary fear-mongering was done which led to this riot. Priyaraj544 (talk) 20:15, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Priyaraj544, The riots started a few hours after his provocative speech. Please read the news of Delhi high court today. Even Hon. HC asked to file case for inciting the riot. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 20:26, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

It would be better if this article is written without any self emotions and biasedness involved. Whole timeline should be mentioned from december protests, and provocative speeches made all over India, And pictures should be added more for the riots. Putting pictures of ministers totally takes away the story. Sra1du (talk) 01:37, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Sra1du Yes the article is written in a unbaised way only, if someone did something wrong, it should be added, there is no baisedness in that. "..from december protests, and provocative speeches made all over India"- Does other leader brought their supporters by saying "come there with huge number and will reply the jaffrabad protesters" ? Does any other person give such ultimatum to police and directly challenging police if not protesters removed they will take law on hand? Did thakur, a&p verma deliver hate speech or not, and is there anyother leader who deliver such in Delhi? Who are the people against whom court asked police to take actions? Better get your rationale straight and discuss something better than whataboutism. And those picture are not taking anything away from story, no one forbade you to read the article and to just look at picture and even description in the picture clearly says what its describing. Dey subrata (talk) 04:05, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Lead figures

we didn't find any statement and comment to provoke the people towards riot from Amanatullah Khan. Please remove that person from leadfigure, since he has no link with incident. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rashid Jorvee (talk • contribs)

 Done Indeed, there is a user who is repeatedly violating WP:BLP by addin git again and again, I have asked admins to sanction him. --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 06:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

There was role of Waris Pathan he started this in his speech about the 15 cr and 100 cr which showed the ripple effect in other states. --Ashishyadav400 (talk) 10:07, 26 February 2020 (UTC)ashishyadav400

Ashishyadav400 This is an encyclopedia, not your social media timeline, WP:NPOV and irrational and imaginary opinions are not added in wiki, period. And who said that there is a role ? Dey subrata (talk) 18:34, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done there is no connection Dey subrata (talk) 04:11, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2020

Many Muslim leaders like owasi have made statements like "1 crore will be ruling 15 crore " This is not a mob reaction but a pre planned event by politicians . As an eye witness they have stored guns swords stones for this purpose. When police fires tear gass balls people cover them with buckets of cold water . From mosques one could observe their respectables asking people to go and fight for God . 103.211.16.206 (talk) 06:41, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 06:42, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

https://scroll.in/video/953832/watch-15-crore-can-outweigh-100-crore-said-aimim-leader-waris-pathan-in-controversial-caa-speech You have accepted edits with reference to this website in this article, so this hould be reliable in this case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.40.239.178 (talk) 18:04, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

because Waris's comment is related to CAA, not related to Delhi riots. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 18:41, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2020

Kapil Mishra is not proven guilty . He is saying that no one should be allowed to make riots so please remove his photograph . It is not his statement because he is leader of people who want caa and riots are done by Anti caa protesters. His photograph makes an impact as if he is the one behind riots. 103.211.16.206 (talk) 06:46, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: Article does not say he is guilty. gautam Gambhir also named him. that he must be punished if involved ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 06:48, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Ignorance by police

can we add a new section we can add the role of Police all pro and cons. In some cases they can be seen they are with rioters and targeting victims. Also they were ignoring SOS calls. few refs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rashid Jorvee (talk • contribs) 06:51, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

References

Rashid Jorvee, We have to follow WP:NPOV and WP:DUE. Please present the proposed draft here on talk page first, to get consensus. --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 06:56, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

DBigXray Sure, let me draft somthing. thank you. Rashid Jorvee (talk) 07:13, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Rashid Jorvee, yes, this would be quite a significant addition, please draft something for review. SerTanmay (talk) 18:05, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Violence on 23 Feb

Is missing from this article. If I am not wrong violence started from the night of 23, Please help to provide sources for the events that took place that day. --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 07:24, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Sarvatra please help.--⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 09:17, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

@DBigXray: Google news search on custom date upto 23rd Feb does not give any results. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 09:21, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Sarvatra, because the news reports about violence in the night, came in the morning of 24 feb. Had it been just a matter of google seach I would not have asked for help. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 09:25, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Ha. I can compile tweets from ANI twitter from 23rd Feb to 24 noon: [8],[9],[10],[11],[12],[13],[14],[15],[16],[17],[18],[19].[20],[21],[22],[23],[24],[25]. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 09:47, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Sarvatra, thanks. Will take a look. But I really dont consider ANI as reliable. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 09:50, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

You don't have to use them in the article. But can surely use them as pointer to find news reports for the same. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 09:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Sarvatra, added info on Hauz Khas protest. SerTanmay (talk) 17:59, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

SerTanmay, many thanks. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 18:09, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Anti CAA riots and Links to Radical Islamic outfits

Many intelligence reports and arrests by police shows that these Anti-CAA protests were supported by radical Islamic outfits like PFI. A lot of provocative speech and fake news by muslim leaders, actors and artists lead to rise in violence across protest sites in India. In Chennai, Tamil Nadu, Islamic outfits threaten to close down the state functioning. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sshivamsngh (talk • contribs) 07:31, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

First this is a article on Delhi riots, second: UP police not a reliable source, third: the article you have shared is on Jan 3, fourth: provocative speech made in other state without any link to Delhi is not a cause to this riot, fifth: hate speech are far more responsible than provocative speech, oops, I think you forget to mention Anurag Thakur, Parvesh Verma, Adityanath. Dey subrata (talk) 18:42, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done :NPOV and irrational arguments Dey subrata (talk) 18:42, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Total Ignorance of facts in this article.

Violence has been a duet here. People from both communities caused harm and suffered. But this particular article is discriminative and needs to be removed immediately for false spread of information. Ishan241200 (talk) 08:21, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Ishan241200, please provide the content you want to add with WP:RS sources. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 08:23, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Ishan241200 Really, is there anything added in the article without proper and relaible source? Second, specify which false information you are talking about ? Third, is discriminative, explain how? Fouth, what else do you want to add other than things that are already been discussed in the talk page and found out to be POV? Also provide citation for anything you say and want to add. Dey subrata (talk) 18:49, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2020

On contrary on what is written this is not a communal riot as Muslims are not the only people affected. Even hindus have been attacked, killed and affected. Furthermore inspite of provocative statement from kapil mishra, it was the Anti- CAA protestors who started the violence by pelting stones on the people who were supporting the act. AaRonBran (talk) 08:56, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 09:03, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2020

Warish pathan (AIMIM Leader) andAmanat ullah khan (AAP leader) and AAP leaders are main culprits of this riot based on CAA. 47.8.27.148 (talk) 08:56, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 09:03, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

IP is most probably talking about AIMIM leader Waris Pathan's remark on 22nd Feb [26]. Not sure about adding it in the article. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 09:58, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Unrelated to this riots.--⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 10:39, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

One sided news being published

This is shameful that only one sided facts are published.. It seems that they r trying to present it as hindu terrorism... The provocative anti hindu anti indian comments are not mentioned... Nothing about shahrukh (the man who fired 8 rounds of bullets ) is mentioned... Leftists everywhere.. Arkadeep Dey (talk) 10:37, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Arkadeep Dey Is there anything added in the article is without proper and reliable citations? What else do you think is not mentioned? "Provocative anti hindu anti indian" which one and is it added withou citations? How and if added, anti-Hindu become anti-Indian? "Leftish everywhere" is direct abuse, and labelling, explain how? or else I will make sure you be blocked from wiki. Dey subrata (talk) 18:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I mean to say that the provocative words of the anti caa protestors were not mentioned... Arkadeep Dey (talk) 01:35, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

And in one of the replies to someone, I saw a reply is made saying that no person was killed by that guy shahrukh so it is not that important... I don't know wht he tried to mean with that... Please elaborate... That guy openly fired and he's saying it isn't important just because BBC , Reuters didn't cover it!!! Seriously!!... Anyways forgive me for my last words... Arkadeep Dey (talk) 01:41, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

I apologize for that Dey Subrata... Arkadeep Dey (talk) 01:42, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Arkadeep Dey provocative words of the anti caa protestors, which words? Explain with reliable citations. Your second concern, the shooting guy, is important so too other shooters, there are several other shooter were there, how can an article gives importance to just one shooter just because he was captured in video, there are various shooter. So yes the editor was correct in his words about the shooting issues. And remember wikipedia is not news, we cannot include everything that is included in news articles. You must go through WP:NOT. And next time be careful what you say here, be civil and respect other, this is not social media and neither newpaper articles. Everything written here with proper and reliable citations and also with proper justification and rationale and with consensus. Dey subrata (talk) 01:55, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@Arkadeep Dey: You can, right here at this talk page, give a news source which supports "provocative words of the anti caa protestors". Once you give a source, we can talk about how we will add it to the article. But please understand that if you are proposing to add something to the article, you should start by giving a source first. Regards. —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 01:59, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

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All the matter posted on this page is a fake & Imaginert story just to blame the BJP Government for the riots started by Muslim Mob. We Peoples of India are fedUp of these lies and Imaginative stories. Please Stop It. 103.41.27.210 (talk) 11:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 11:38, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Fly by note

Too much controversial and hot topic and thus, not want to edit much. But will suggest to add statements of Sonia Gandhi and Prakash Javadekar in today’s press conference. — Harshil ^{want to talk?} 11:47, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Harshil169, as soon as we have news articles on those. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 11:48, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

News are there. Just search their names. — Harshil ^{want to talk?} 11:51, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

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Page does not exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zert30 (talk • contribs) 11:48, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

It exists here, on North_East_Delhi_riots--⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 11:49, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

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Why you are not allowing edit by the ordinary citizen? It does lot of damage to the reputation of the wikipedia community. It is full of biases and smell of your ideological posturing. 2409:4053:2116:1B6C:E54D:E227:DE04:BB0A (talk)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. 180.242.51.208 (talk) 12:33 —Preceding undated comment added 12:35, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

It is only temporarily protected from editing by brand new users for a few more hours, the protection was due to a wave of vandalism. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:57, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Names of attacked Jouranlists

One of the NDTV journalists attacked by mobs was Saurabh Shukla. Muhammad Taha Tariq Ahmed Kashmiri (talk) 12:49, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Muhammad Taha Tariq Ahmed Kashmiri , can you share the link for this information. --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 13:32, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Muhammad Taha Tariq Ahmed Kashmiri & DBigXray there are severals. Better to add media houses/group/publisher for whom they work rather than names. I could have added names but is not aligned with notability. Dey subrata (talk) 18:58, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Dey subrata, yes, It all depends on the incident. How major it was. which is why I asked for a link if he has one. I think I have heard he was attacked but dont know the details. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 19:01, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

DBigXray Already added, if more details needed to there, I can do that too, one thing that i know missing is he was punched several times and the first journalist Gunesekaran was beaten severaly and broken several teeth, Shukla is reportedly limping. Dey subrata (talk) 19:27, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

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The riots were instigated by Waris Pathan who openly called for muslim community to wage a war against Hindus. He is the prime sponsor of Shaheen bagh which has become the symbol of Anti CAA protest.

Liberals are trying to pass the buck on Kapil Mishra, BJP leader just to hide the hate speech of Shoaib Jamai, Waris Pathan and Assaudin Owaisi. Preeti Dhawan Walia (talk) 13:28, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 13:31, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

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There is a concern that wikipedia moderator is biased. This need to be in wiki page as well https://www.opindia.com/2020/02/delhi-riots-wikipedia-article-biased-anti-hindu/ Shyamite (talk) 13:59, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Opindia is a Pro BJP/RSS propaganda site and not a Reliable Source. Please provide a reliable source and content that you want to add. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 14:08, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Casualty list

User:BIKASH NANDA GOSWAMI, What is the basis for ordering in the list ? It seems random. can you please arrange in chronological order. oldest death on top. thanks. --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 14:01, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Article is totally one sided

While blaming Kapil Misra please add what all he said and what is really provocative there and compare that with statements of Waris or Sharjeel. This is a classic story of capturing the perspective of pseudo liberals and pseudo seculars

Also factually incorrect when it says peaceful protest by Misra gets attacked by pro CAA group in the very first section Srinivaks (talk) 14:39, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Please see what the Hon. High Court said about his speech today in Court. Will you say that HC is biased ?

• https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kapil-mishras-controversial-speech-played-in-delhi-high-court/article30920985.ece
• https://news.abplive.com/news/india/delhi-riots-hc-directs-police-to-register-fir-against-kapil-mishra-others-for-inflammatory-speeches-1165895
• https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/delhi-violence-high-court-kapil-mishra-hate-speech-video-1650153-2020-02-26 ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 14:40, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

I also want to add that this article is totally biased not mentioning Amanatullah Khan, or that bus drivers in Maharastra are also being beaten up due to this. https://www.altnews.in/video-of-bus-driver-beaten-up-in-maharashtra-shared-with-communal-angle-amid-delhi-riots/. Wiki moderators should look into the bias characteristics of this article. --Datta (talk) 17:02, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Datta, what is the relation of amanatulla or bus drivers in maharashtra with delhi riots ? please explain with evidence ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 17:33, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Casualty: an 85-year old grandmother burnt to death

Scroll.in is naming another victim, Akbari Salmani, an 85-year old grandmother. Not sure if this meets WP:RS. [27]. Yamada Taro (talk) 14:54, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Yamada Taro, yes this is acceptable. Please feel free to update the list. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 14:57, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

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A 33-year old Muslim man identified as Shahrukh after he confronted an unarmed Delhi Police officer, and shot indiscriminately at people on the other side of the road. Seven people, including a Head Constable of the police died due to the anti-CAA riots. Initially, this man was falsely claimed to be part of the pro-CAA groups. He fired around eight rounds. Due to anti-CAA mobs holding orange plastic crates, and behind him many were seen to wear skull caps. Datta (talk) 16:58, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. There is no evidence he killed those 7 people. No one is saying he did. Provide source supporting your content first. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 17:02, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

References

Politically influenced article

Role of islamists who are attacking homes of residents & police with petrol bombs completely whitewashed. No mention of provocative speeches by Waris Pathan & Amanatullah khan Indostar1331 (talk) 17:48, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Waris Pathan & Amanatullah khan are not related to this riot. Provide ref and content you want to add. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 17:53, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

How are they not relevant? They are the ones who incited the Muslims and extremist islamists to start the riots. Inflammatory speeches by Pathan and Amanatullah had a big impact on how the situation built up.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51612461 192.40.239.178 (talk) 17:52, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 18:00, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Shahrukh

The all editors who edit here I want their opinions. According to my point of view the incident of Shahrukh should be added. The incident gets much coverage. Though I added it earlier but later it was removed. What do you think?S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 20:03, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

S. M. Nazmus Shakib, why do you think it merits a mention here ? All he did was wave a gun and fire in the air. There is no evidence he killed or injure anyone. Not worth to be mentioned due to WP:BLPNAME ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 20:06, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

DBigXray Yes he did not kill or injure anybody. But, his video went on viral. And directly firing to police is not a common thing. If we should not mention his name as he is not notable can the incident be added in the article?S. M. Nazmus Shakib (talk) 20:15, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

S. M. Nazmus Shakib, If you read international new sites, like reuters, BBC, you will find that they did not cover this incident. why ? because it was not a major incident. Lot of videos became viral for example the guy being dragged on road, one singing Jan gan man, The man breaking masjid minaret, There are so many. We cannot possibly cover all of this. I would suggest you to focus on more important things like Killing of IB officer, Killing of Constable, or other major incidents, lot of them needs to be expanded. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 20:20, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

He should be mentioned by name as this was an important development. Since when is the brazen threatening of an unarmed police officer a minor thing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.228.66.14 (talk) 04:10, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

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BIKASH NANDA GOSWAMI (talk) 20:50, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 21:05, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Amit Shah’s answer

• The Delhi pogrom 2020 is Amit Shah’s answer to an election defeat

Interesting article. Can we use anything from this article ? --⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 21:04, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

No. It's an opinion piece. And only that. For example, second para first line "The Delhi pogrom of 2020 is state-sponsored. Anyone who cannot see that is pretending to be blind". Really? —Sarvatra (talk, contribs) 21:32, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

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Proofs for this article or news please ? 203.122.12.118 (talk) 21:15, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. The list of Proof/ refs for the riot article can be found at North_East_Delhi_riots#References ⋙–DBigXrayᗙ 21:22, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

New York Times Article

• https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/world/asia/delhi-riots-kapil-mishra.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimesworld
• Mirror Below.
• https://thebaltimorepost.com/the-roots-of-the-delhi-riots-a-fiery-speech-and-an-ultimatum/

Mosque in Ashok Nagar

Is this the area where "A mosque in Ashok Nagar was vandalized and a Hanuman flag was placed on one of the minarets of the mosque." took place? --LaserLegs (talk) 23:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

LaserLegs No, this one. Reason for asking??? Dey subrata (talk) 00:17, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

This has been proven to be a fake news — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.228.66.14 (talk) 04:07, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

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Delhi riot 2020 though taken place in February 2020 was outcome of a continuous hate propaganda behind anti CAA protest by a particualar community. There were series of events whose dots when joined will give a clear picture of the agenda.

Major Political Parties in India lost to BJP and Allies twice and came back to power in 2019 again under leadership of Narendra Modi. His leadership was unchallenged and he successfully defeated many parties especially anti-nationals , naxal supporters. In the recent Delhi election though it lost to AAP but its vote percentage was about 40% and his opponents especially Congress and allies along with others got heavily rejected democratically by Delhians and merely got less than 3% vote.

Filled with frustration, loss, corruption cases ongoing, powerless and finding no place in democracy many started instigating illiterate Muxlims, students especially Left, Congress . Anti national slogans, placard, anti- religion slogans, slogans supporting Jihads were raised in many parts of India. First rioting happened in West Bengal where trains were burned down, stones were pelted on running trains, vehicles were torched,[ https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/violent-protests-rock-west-bengal-mamata-banerjee-appeals-for-peace-1628325-2019-12-14 Government and Public properties destroyed], railway stations were damaged. Since no tough action was taken, it engulfed the country slowly and such negative forces tried to taste the same rioting everyplace. In UP it was dealt with strong police action,sending notices to those who damaged properties and arrests of those caught on camera. It was condemned by many pseudo secular, intellectuals but now it is thought that UP government's action saved lots of life and property unlike Delhi, West Bengal. Even in Delhi school buses were targeted with stones, journalist media vans were burnt live.

Radicals who were caught were found out to be radicalized and has PFI links. Fund of Rs.120 crores for rioting were found transferred by UP police and matter is in court. When the matter came to light, with finding of radicalization in Saheen Baag by leaders trying to break India by separating North East India from rest of India, anti CAA protest got exposed completely .

Top anti-CAA leader explaining how to bring down indian economy. Experts in destroying cultures nations.

What anti-CAA protests revealed

15 Crore Muslim threat! Waris Pathan

"Modi hitler wali maut marega" ... Protestors at Shaheen Bagh are shouting These slogans.

Delhi: ‘Hinduon se Azadi’ slogans raised at Jamia Nagar where anti-CAB protesters set buses on fire

Jihadi Slogans like Bharat Tere Tukre honge inshallah 1...

Bharat Tere Tukre honge inshallah 2..

F@ck Hindus.....

Tika Chaddi wallo Ko , Goli maaro saalo Ko,

anti CAA protest but Free Kasmir poster ,

Hinduo Ki Kabra Khudegi AMU ki chhati pe...,

Even after partition they want Jinnah walli Azadi....

Waris Pathan, AMIM radical party leader give hate speech that 10 crore Muslims will kill 100crore Hindus

Hinduo se Azadi.....

Love Pakistan & Pakistani only.

Hate Indian army, Government, Law, Court, Police,

Cut North East from rest part of India ..

Burning a Dalit for non-conversion.

Dalit person was killed named Niraj Prajapati

Amanatullah Khan, hate speeech.

Now anti CAA protest was dying while Narendra Modi was taking India ahead making friendship with other countries to fight terrorism , helping China on epidemic CORONA , taking out Indian Students there in China, also giving willingness to help the Students of Pakistan to get them out when Pakistani students were dumped by Pakistan in China. On the other hand Saheen Baag protesters were asked to carry on protests leaving the road empty as it caused traffic and matter went to the court. Jealous, envious to find Narendra Modi din't bother to hear them, and instead invited Americans who are best in dealing terrorists worldwide, many protests were led at other places including north-east Delhi to malign India internationally.But it was countered by pro CAA supporters who also want America to be friend with India like Russia ,agaist the protesters who sat on metro station, roads , or any comfortable place of their choice and trying to avoid president of America visit gets cancelled.

Fake Delhi Mosque demolished was circulated by radicals.

Pro CAA supporters also started protesting and rallying and were faced with stones. This was not the first time stones were used against pro CAA supporters. In Jharkhand a Dalit person was killed named Neeraj Prajapati by a piece loving minorities group which started pelting bricks on pro CAA rally. But in Delhi, the situation intensified , keeping in view the visit of American Presiden Donald Trump in India, which was opposed by Muxlims groups, Left learders openly. Finding that Government of India, and security agency, forces were busy in providing security to President of America, rioters (named Md. Shahrukh) went on rampage openly firing indiscriminately killing a cop, who was later caught due to a amateur videographer on camera live. This led police to use smoke along with pro CAA supporters joining police side and pelted bricks either to save their homes or themselves. Killing ,burning, looting was carried out in Chand Baag where IB official was killed by piece loving community. Many persons scumbed to death were found to have bullet injuries fired by rioters. On the 2 day police took back to action, finding situation grave and unable to handle with lathi, stones.

NEW DELHI:

Ratan Lal, a head constable attached to the office of the ACP Gokalpuri, was killed. Several police personnel, including Deputy Commissioner of Police (DCP), Shahdara, Amit Sharma, were injured while trying to quell the protests

An Intelligence Bureau staffer was on Wednesday found dead in northeast Delhi's riot-hit Chand Bagh area, officials said. Ankit Sharma, who lived in Chand Bagh, may have been killed in stone pelting. 

A 19 year old Vivek attacked in his own shop, drill machine bored into his head Dangi 02:49, 27 February 2020 (UTC) Dangi 02:49, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

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Muxlims Breaking into Hindu Houses https://www.facebook.com/mintu.pandey.3133/videos/2343830182576509/UzpfSTEwMDAwMTE2MzY0MTU1NDoyNjkwMzYyMjgxMDEyNTM0/ Dangi 03:28, 27 February 2020 (UTC)