Talk:Coronavirus

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 January 2020 and 10 May 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Iamqtpi (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Meliboo21.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 February 2020

Can you mention that the outbreak started in November 2019 when someone hunted for dog in rural China somewhere?47.16.99.72 (talk) 00:36, 15 February 2020 (UTC) Sorry,it was “add X”format I cannot find a Y though00:36, 15 February 2020 (UTC) 47.16.99.72 (talk) 00:36, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 00:41, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Edit request

The "Overview of Outbreaks" table is wrong, the link to the MERS virus instead links to the disease article. Where the table links to MERS in the virus column, it should instead link to MERS-CoV, just as the SARS outbreak links to SARS-CoV under the virus column. -- 65.94.171.6 (talk) 05:29, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Someone updated the table -- 65.94.171.6 (talk) 07:46, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Update REPLACE protected

In 2019, an outbreak of the coronavirus began in Wuhan, China, IN THE leaed REPLACE with either In 2019, a human outbreak of a coronavirus began in Wuhan, China, OR In 2019, a human outbreak of the Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) coronavirus began in Wuhan, China, ALSO Lower down in the article the new name should be used and replaced as appropos — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.115.204.102 (talk) 01:57, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

First, there is no need to shout. Second, your suggestion is poor grammar. It should be "an outbreak in humans" but this is redundant. Outbreaks refer to human populations unless otherwise specified. Graham Beards (talk) 09:00, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Edit request

[I apologize for not understanding how to properly suggest edits!] The article reads, "In 2019, an outbreak of the coronavirus began". I suggest avoiding "the coronavirus". It is a misapplication that seems to be widespread in news media (exception: Associated Press). I suggest the following replacement:

"In 2019, an outbreak of a new strain of coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2 (initially named 2019-nCoV) began" --Clutterslave (talk) 09:42, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 February 2020

Can you mention what the mortality rate is like how u did for ebola 2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:AC (talk) 18:14, 16 February 2020 (UTC) 2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:AC (talk) 18:14, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi. This is the wrong article. You want 2019 novel coronavirus. Graham Beards (talk) 19:25, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Can page protection be reduced please to semi protection?

I think it should be moved down as you said 30/500 protection is only used when semi protection does not work. How did vandalism continue here,but not on the 2019-20 Wuhan coronavirus outbreak page?2600:387:5:805:0:0:0:AC (talk) 18:20, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Adding preventative measures and treatment options

The addition of preventive measures, and treatment options sections would be beneficial to this page. Due to the recent outbreak, many people are worried, causing them to want to know how to avoid becoming sick. The CDC and WHO have stated basic outlines of what someone should do to avoid this virus, these additions would only help the article giving good information with the possibility of the information changing to be very low. As well, this article already states the symptoms of the Virus with no way for treating them. Even though information about the antivirus is still coming out there are medicines and actions know to help with treating the symptoms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iamqtpi (talk • contribs) 05:23, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Student editor and the addition of copyright infringing material

Iamqtpi has chosen this article for editing as part of a University Module for this semester Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Richland College/English 1302 (Spring 2020). However this seems like a really inappropriate choice to me, as the Coronavirus article will have signifcant traffic and scrutiny for months due to the current outbreak, and edits already made to this article by the user have been reverted. It seems the obvious solution is that their article choice should be changed. Hemiauchenia (talk) 20:49, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

As an additonal note, the material that Graham Beards reverted is plagiarised, copyright infringing material that is essentially irrelevant for the articles scope. I know most wikipedia editors who have experienced editing as part of a course dislike student editors, and I have no trouble seeing why. Hemiauchenia (talk) 21:04, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

In addition, we shouldn't be giving medical advice. Esowteric+Talk 21:31, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

This seems a very odd choice for a University Course, especially an English course (is it for training prospective publishing house editors, copyeditors, or copyists?). So many regular editors are inundating this article that the students will constantly be disrupted, making any marking of this an adventuresome endeavour. Not that students don't disrupt articles wholesale by replacing all content therein in the normal course of a university assignment, thereby in this article, likely getting some sort of ban, which would not be conducive to handing in an assignment when they've been banned. -- 65.94.171.6 (talk) 06:00, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Image for the information box

Hi Hemiauchenia. Great to be here to work with you on this article. I do agree with alot of things that you have said. I'll bring the conversation over to the talk page so everyone else can also participate. This discussion concerns the caption for the illustration in the infobox.

Current caption:

An illustration of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus. The club-shaped viral spike peplomers, coloured red, create the look of a corona surrounding the virion, when viewed electron microscopically.

You said as concerns the image for the information box:

1. it's not "a" coronavirus, there are many different cononaviruses, this article isn't about SARS-CoV-2, it's about Coronaviruses generally, therefore the image should be labelled. 2. Added an Image of MERS-CoV to taxobox, as previously stated an electron microscope image is standard for virus infoboxes. Stop edit warring

My comment:

As concerns point 1: I don't mind labeling the image a SARS-CoV-2 virus. My main concern, however, is that we do not know if that illustration is of a SARS-CoV-2. The full original caption from the CDC does not make that clear. The illustrator, unfortunately, did not have the opportunity to fully explain what they were depicting. For this reason, I propose using generic terminology for example "a" coronavirus (meaning: that of many types of coronaviruses) or terminology that incorporates "coronaviruses" (for example: from the original CDC caption they used ".. morphology exhibited by coronaviruses").

As concerns point 2: I don't mind having two illustrations in the infobox. My issue is more with the aesthetic appearance. The size of the two images takes up too much space. If there are going to be two or more images in the infobox, they collaged together should not take up more than the space of one standard image as is done in all other infoboxes on wikipedia. An example of collaging in infoboxes can be seen in the the World War II article, or a better example of how to model the illustration in the infobox would be the Pantherinae taxobox. Another template to use to model the image in this infobox would be that of the virus article.

Let me know what you think and if anyone else has any ideas that would be useful too. This is a scientific wikipedia article so there should no problem in us being collaborative and productive. Scientific articles are written daily in a group collaborative fashion and things get done fast. --Guest2625 (talk) 23:24, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

1. The CDC website states that it depicts SARS-CoV 2, this is linked to from the image on commons.

2. concerns over image space can be alleviated by having only one caption for both images, using image2_caption as the parameter, without a caption between the images there will be minimal space between them, effectively the same as if the images were collaged, but with less effort. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

I have implemented my suggestion. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:50, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry but it's not clear to me how you conclude that the original caption from CDC states that the illustration that they are depicting is specifically the SARS-CoV-2 rather than a general generic coronavirus. The full caption from the CDC is as follows:

This illustration, created at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), reveals ultrastructural morphology exhibited by coronaviruses. Note the spikes that adorn the outer surface of the virus, which impart the look of a corona surrounding the virion, when viewed electron microscopically. A novel coronavirus, named Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), was identified as the cause of an outbreak of respiratory illness first detected in Wuhan, China in 2019. The illness caused by this virus has been named coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).

From my reading of the caption it states that "This illustration, created at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), reveals ultrastructural morphology exhibited by coronaviruses. And therefore, the original caption does not say that it is specifically the SARS-CoV-2 virus. I think we should attempt to use generic language for this more general article on the Coronavirus. In the end, this disagreement can simply be resolved by using the full length original caption. --Guest2625 (talk) 12:41, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and fixed the caption problem. --Guest2625 (talk) 14:06, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 February 2020

I would like to edit this wiki for I have information Hackerslayercohen11 (talk) 23:35, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, you can add your information here and please remember to include your reliable sources.Graham Beards (talk) 23:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Their are currently more than 20 pages whose title includes the word "coronavirus". A disambiguation page would be useful. Robertpedley (talk) 08:17, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Unexplained terminology

Please could we have an explanation (or a link to one) of the terms "cis-acting" and "trans-acting"? Wikipedia articles should be readable without specialist knowledge.Gobbag (talk) 12:27, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

You could have just linked both of them (cis-acting, trans-acting) which would have quicker than writing your comment. With regard to specialist knowledge, this is not the Simple Wikipedia; I regard our articles as the source of such knowledge.Graham Beards (talk) 14:11, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Coronavirus_(Disambiguation)

As per earlier talk, I've created a draft disambiguation page. Please check & edit

What happens next? Robertpedley (talk) 18:40, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

It looks good, thanks, @Robertpedley. Is there a method to the ordering to the "2020 coronavirus outbreak ..." entries, or could these go in alphabetical order? Esowteric+Talk 19:41, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

It's way too long for a disambiguation page. It's more like a list of coronavirus-related articles. Having said that, where are SARS, MERS, Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus and Middle East respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus? What it does demonstrate is the confusion we have generated for our readers by having so many separate articles when we only need four: Coronavirus, which covers all the viruses and one for each of the diseases.Graham Beards (talk) 20:12, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Are you sure you're not wanting to create an outline WP:OUTLINE or list of coronavirus topics? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:25, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Agree with Graham Beards and AngusWOOF above; it's too long and lacks focus. Thank you for the feedback. I've removed the list of outbreak pages which are not relevant to this topic. Subject to community agreement, I'll resubmit tomorrow. Robertpedley (talk) 18:46, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Can someone who is not actively involved in the editing of the disambiguation confirm that this would be useful to have? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:46, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

If you check the pageviews for this page and pages related to the COVID-19 outbreak [1], it becomes clear that this page should be a disambiguation or even a redirect to a COVID-19 article. People are looking for this term because of the outbreak, not because of interest in the taxonomy. It is a bit worrying that they are not getting the information they need. I have suggested this should be moved to something like Coronavirus (taxon) on the Portuguese Wikipedia as well, because of this. GoEThe (talk) 11:51, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

I disagree that it should point to COVID-19. The Template:About handles any confusion on that. Regarding the subject of creating a disambiguation page for the topic of coronavirus, that might be productive as it is a far and wide subject of confusion. I like the thought of creating a WP:OUTLINE page, also. P37307 (talk) 17:36, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure this confuses a lot of people. Esowteric+Talk 12:03, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

GoEThe, are you saying that the main Coronavirus article should be the disambiguation page, or that there should be a (disambiguation) page? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:50, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Both, I guess, at least temporarily. GoEThe (talk) 16:32, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Absolutely agree this should be a disambiguation page. Almost no one searching for "coronavirus" is looking for information about the group of viruses in general. I think the new draft looks very good. —Will^(B) 18:23, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

To clarify: I think the disambiguation page should simply be Coronavirus, not Coronavirus (disambiguation). —Will^(B) 18:25, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2020

P=AGNESIRI (talk) 07:41, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

kiran corona bhanu virus

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. CptViraj (📧) 09:54, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Purpoted Chinese rapid tests

Global Times (globaltimes.cn) is the first to have published the news for which "China's Nankai University has announced a breakthrough in developing a novel coronavirus rapid test kit that can identify infection among suspected patients within 15 minutes."

Global Times is a Chinese tabloid newspaper, but the same information is reported also by two more authoritative secondary sources:

1. the Indian financial daily newspaper Mint on 9 February (China's Tianjin University claims of testing coronavirus in 15 minutes),
2. the Khaleej Times (Coronavirus test report possible in 15 minutes, from Beijing, filed on February 9), which is daily English language newspaper published in Dubai.

The three aforementioned URLs don't cite any external source, and, more specifically, a video, an academic press agency or a scientific research paper by the Chinese Tianjin University. This is true even in the previous versions of the articles that can be found in the Internet Archive (ranging from January 23, 2020 to March 4, 2020 for their primary source).Micheledisaveriosp (talk) 08:58, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Caronavirus in india

I think we should have to think that already Corona virus speard in Italy and some other countries in 2012 then what should they done to prevent that I thought that one of the doctor among them can store the medical treatments and medicines in any records consider those and get a conclusion for this Gracon on the way (talk) 22:38, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done, this article is not about the Coronavirus outbreak. Hemiauchenia (talk) 22:45, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2020

Add "External links" section with the following content:

* Coronavirus and Cancer

Subbame (talk) 06:50, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: The link doesn't present any information not already available in the article or other external links beyond one sentence about comorbitidy fatality rates. The rest is just general information. It doesn't really add anything to the article. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:01, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Prevention

Prevention is very hard! Doctors have said it is best to drink lots of water because if your thoart starts the enfection the water will sallow it down to your stomach and the Acid inside your stomach will kill it! vitamin C will help also, take it after you eat at any time. Try to go to a pharmacy and ask for a medicine to put with honey in the morning once you wake and you have to take it before eating breakfast! Hope this helped — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.38.97.18 (talk) 09:12, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done, this is more like health tips and is not sourced to anything. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:48, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2020

Please add

to links... Will-SeymoreIII (talk) 22:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Melmann 23:22, 8 March 2020 (UTC) one more simtom is turnig green

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2020

Add a Structural Model of Coronavirus COVID-19. Victoramuse (talk) 20:38, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. If you know of any reliably-sourced models, Victoriamuse, please let us know. The best I could find is this, which has a TEM of the virus envelope and a model of the spike protein. No model of the entire virus is likely to make much sense. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) a minute ago

Clarify the presence of a membrane when discussing virion structure

The part of this article that addresses morphology discusses only proteins, and there is no concrete mention anywhere in this article of coronaviruses having a membrane composed of lipids. This is important information (it's why washing one's hands can prevent COVID-19 infection, for example). I'm not sure if all coronaviruses have a lipid membrane, but either way this should be discussed in the Name and Morphology section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aop4 (talk • contribs) 11:19, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

So, a "GU". Like Russia diplomacy for China.195.244.180.59 (talk) 12:28, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Passing mention of this Wikipedia article in press

• https://www.wired.co.uk/article/wikipedia-coronavirus

---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:07, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 March 2020

DONOVAN MITCHELL AND RUDY GOBERT HAVE THE CORONAVIRUS AND HAVE HENCEFORTH DIED. 63.248.194.114 (talk) 23:49, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.

Also,  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. To reply, copy and paste this: {{replyto|Can I Log In}}(Talk) 23:57, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 March 2020

Please change the number of deaths in 2019-20 from 4720 to 4947 so as to provide more accurate results to the people visiting this page. source: https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/685d0ace521648f8a5beeeee1b9125cd KirtiGyan (talk) 10:11, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

The numbers come from a template which various users keep up-to-date. I'm sure it will be updated soon. Esowteric+Talk 10:58, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Wrong link to another it.wikipedia.org article

This article doesn't point to the correspondent Italian page. Now it points to "Orthocoronavirinae", but it should point to "Coronavirus". Please, an extended auto-confirmed user should fix it. Fabio Maria De Francesco (talk) 14:10, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Coronavirus at the English wikipedia is about the family of coronaviruses, Orthocoronavirinae. And Orthocoronavirinae is the page linked to on the Italian site. Isn't that correct? Esowteric+Talk 14:15, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Coronavirus are four genuses (Alpha, Beta, Delta, and Gammacoronavirus) of the sub-family Orthocoronavirinae. The last belongs to the family of Coronaviridae. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus should point to https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus.

For more information, please see talk.ictvonline.org/taxonomy and/or other virus taxonomy databases.

The English Wikipedia has not a correspondent article for Orthocoronavirinae, while Italian, Spanish and others do. Fabio Maria De Francesco (talk) 15:30, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Ah, sorry! Esowteric+Talk 16:08, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

I think it's set in the wikidata (?) Have left a message on the discussion page there (as I'm not extended-autoconfirmed at wikidata) Esowteric+Talk 16:25, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

@Esowteric:

No more need to change the link. A few hours ago, in it.wikipedia.org the page Coronavirus has been moved/merged to Orthocoronavirinae [2] This seems pretty reasonable to me considered the arguments of the merge proposal that was discussed in the first section of this talk page. However, though en.wikipedia.org merged Orthocoronavirinae into Coronavirus, it.wikipedia.org have merged Coronavirus into Orthocoronavirinae. All considered, I think that the Italian move is more appropriate than the English one. Thanks again. Fabio Maria De Francesco (talk) 02:25, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Esowteric+Talk 09:16, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

The coronavirus is now a pandemic, wow.. Thadthurmond365 (talk) 23:10, 14 March 2020 (UTC)Thadthurmond365