User talk:Homo ergaster

Rangers FC Lietuvių

Hello, please accept my apology over what appears to be a vandalism block over poor edits, I do not mean to repeatedly vandalise by accident. Would hope you could unblock me from editing Rangers Lithuanian page? IP address - 107.178.41.206 TheGlasgaeJimmy (talk) 08:03, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Indefenite blocking rules violation on Lithuanina Wikipedia

Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Blocking_IP_addresses#Indefinite_blocks My edits on Lithuanian Wikipedia are not under this category,

You banned me without ability to complain. My changes on "Karaimai" page did not violate Lithuaninan Grammar. You left them as is with some order changes( intending that Hebrew influece on Karaite Languahge was minor). So your ban explanation by bad Lithuaninan knowledge is obviously incorrect. Please also consider my contribution at Karaim thematic at English wikipedia. I really has some knowledge at this issue and contribute here without perfect knowledge of English language,

English wikipedia was established for knowledge exchange with going over any limitations in contradiction to your administration at Lithuanian Wikipedia. Other English Wikipedia users correct my mistakes. You banned me blaming minors one(IMHO the real reason was different) Please be honest at least leaving me ability to edit my talk page to apply your ban to other Lithuaninan admins .

With Best Regards Неполканов (talk) 09:15, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

No, the real reason is the one I stated and your recent edits are not the only reason. You have been warned before (see - lt:Naudotojo aptarimas:Неполканов). Your claim that current order of languages implies that Hebrew influence was minor, is simply wrong. The order is supposed to be a chronological one. And it doesn't matter that they call it a synagogue in Turkey because in Lithuanian we call karaite synagogues "kenesa". Besides, you are not the only one who has been blocked for similar reasons. For instance, the same happened to TheGlasgaeJimmy (see above) and many others. --Homo ergaster (talk) 10:03, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

4 years ago(!) you warned me for bad grammar and I stopped big edits. Now you blocked me indefenitely and immediately including the ability to apply to other admins without any discussion and new warning due to my opinion is different from yours(as you descibed above).The article Echalas is not about Lithuania only. I pointed you to look at this lithuanian page where Karaite prayhouse outside of East Europe is called "Sinagoga" in Lithuanian. You ignored this. As you see other people also has same with me opinion different from yours ("Lithuanian should call karaite synagogue outside of East Europe "kenesa"). Your blocked me indefenitely and immediately without any discussion only for our disagreement .This disagreement occurs frequenly on wikipedia but blocking in this case is not acceptible. Even temporary banning,

Please understand me and unban or at least give ability to apply to other Lithuanian admins. Неполканов (talk) 11:00, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Who says it is about Lithuania only? It only proves my point that you do not understand Lithuanian. By the way, that image was added by an anonymous user, known for unconstructive edits (https://lt.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Specialus:S%C4%85ra%C5%A1as/block&page=Naudotojas%3A81.158.253.121). It seems like you're here to push some hidden agenda based on a convoluted logic. --Homo ergaster (talk) 13:12, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

This image was added there 11 years ago and nobody claimed that it is wrong lithuanan idiom. Please bring RS claiming that it is forbidden to call the Karaite House outside the East Europe as Sinagogue(like in English where it called Kenesa or Synagogue depending by location) depending of its attention. I do not see from your edits at Lithuanian or English wikipedia that you too much familiar with Karaite thematic to claim that you know the correct terminology regarding the Karaites pray house . Karaim pray house is "Kenesa (from 1911). But Karaites pray house is still Synagugue. Karaites(Karaitai) and Crimean Karaites(Karamai) are not the same meaning. Echalas about "Karaitu Sinagogos" not "Karaimu Kenasos". Again it contradict the WO rules to ban others to prevent approved by RS POV contradicting yours POV (IMHO real reason of your bans is your hidden agenda suspects ). The ban should be done only when it is really essential.

Please unban me and discuss it with me at Lithuanian Wikipedia that you never did. Неполканов (talk)

Since there is a specific term for 'this type of synagogue, we use it. It's a pray house of karaites, including karaims. Karaims are an ethnic group who traditionally practised Karaite Judaism. Quite simple, right? Likewise, we do not call an orthodox church building "bažnyčia" because we have a specific term "cerkvė", even though it's a type of "bažnyčia". --Homo ergaster (talk) 14:47, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

"Cerkvė" is a type of "Bažnyčia" and appears in their list (so logicaly correct to call it stačiatikių ir unitų bažnyčia) . "Sinagoga" is a Lithuanian word for Judaism house(see the lithuanian article with intention also to Karaite Judaizm, you still not changed it). Kenesa(Jewish persian word for synagogue) is a type of synagogue as yourself wrote above(actually its arhitecture is fully identical(not similiar but fully indentical) to Rabbinistic Synagoga. It called so in Lithuanian because the Lithuanian Karaims (self-called till 1855 Karaite Jews) asked Russian Government to use this word to distinguish themselves from discriminated Russian Rabinistic Jews.If it is subtype of "Sinagoga" it still sinagoga.

So the question how to call Karaite Jews pray house outside of East Europe in Lithuanian cannot be obvious for average Lithuanian speaker because it never called Kenessa there . See also here -Kenesa defined as karaimų only prayer house, Karaim is East European Etnic group, not Turkish . From the other hand Karaim Kenesa is type of sinagoga so it is sinagoga.

I never had intention for Edit War. I am always looking for consensus My only one revert of unexplained yours was with explanations why . So my edits should not be treated as disruptive and ban is really not essential. Please unblock me and cooperate with me, discuss with me to build comprehensive, based on RS Lithuanuan Wikipedia . Неполканов (talk)

lkz.lt do not have this term at all, so these definitions are not exactly official. Of course, those karaites do not call them "kenesa" themselves. However, other wikis do use this term (for example, pl:Kienesa w Stambule, de:Karäische Synagoge (Hasköy, Istanbul)). 'I see that you're intentions are good, but you would have to promise not to edit LT wiki articles and instead write on talk pages. Pardon me, but I'm not entirely sure that you mean by "There is no such lithuanian word "cerkvė". "Bažnyčia" is the only Lithuanian word for Christian pray house." See http://lkz.lt/Visas.asp?zodis=cerkv%C4%97&lns=-1&les=-1. Ah, I see you have corrected yourself. Have you studied Lithuanian language either formally or on your own? --Homo ergaster (talk) 17:24, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Almost a year ago we had a discussion on LT Wiki how to call a Greek orthodox church building. Should we call it "bažnyčia" or should we call it "cerkvė"? I wrote to VLKK (Lithuanian Language Commission) and they answered that we should call it "cerkvė". I think we have a similar situation now. --Homo ergaster (talk) 17:58, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

I see that you just have understood ;

1) My intention is good

2) Lithuanian speakers may have doubts (e.g "Cerkve" or "Bažnyčia" for Greek orthodox church building-the non consensus so hard that they need to write to VLKK),so our disagree Kenesa/Synagogue is not due "unacceptable Lithuanian language knowledge" and you are not 100% sure that you are right.

3) Kenesa is exactly as "Cerkve"(Actually Russian word). The Lithuanian native speakers need to write to VLKK to reach consensus -while nobody blamed and blocked for bad Lithuanian. Still nobody wrote to VLKK about Kenesa, but you blocked me. (Personally I supposed that "Cerkve" is like widely used in Lithuania word "Naparnikas" that IMHO is not Lithuanian, but this should not be related to our discussion. I do not claim that I know terminology related to area out of my interests).

4)My edit that I was blocked for was not related to bad translation (your 4 years old blocking warning reason,the only warning).

So I really do not understand why permanent blocking? All above shows ,IMHO that all this WP rules violation. Do you doubt this?

I also hope that you will understand the following and unblock me:

5) I promise you that I will not edit pages related to "Cerkve"/"Bažnyča"or any issue that I do no not understand.

6) Since your last warning, during 4 years I did more than ten edits in Lithuanian Wikipedia, caring good level of translation-my edits are still there. Almost all RS references on Karaim related thematic pages are mine (including 2 Lithuanian RS on Shapshal and Karaimai page - please pay attention, that it looks like no one of Lithuanian native speakers was able to add them). As you as see my Lithuanian knowledge is enough to perform grammatically correct simple, but meaningful changes(like Lithuanian RS references). I had added bottom note with RS also in my last (fatal?) edit (that in Eastern Europe Karaite Sinagogue is called Kenessa since 1911). I suppose you ignored it or did not pay attention.

7) I will keep my policy since you warned me 4 years ago (your only warning) to put complex, big edits on discussion pages only . I did it at "Karaim" aptarimas page. You totally ignored my ask to integrate this information in the article. Your only contribution on Karaite thematic page is other users edits reverts or correction without any discussion and usually without any comments. Actually the current English page is the only and first place that you discuss something with me. Correct me if I am wrong. I suppose that without carefull, mentioned above edits, the Karaite thematic pages will remain almost identical to a beautiful but sourceless narrative about Powerfull King that used enemy captives as his bodyguards, after his horses had drunk the water from the salt Black sea. Are you interested in this situation? It is really charming narrative of you in Lithuania, so nobody else should not touch it? Неполканов (talk) 20:45, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Please look at this National Lithuanian history newspaper where the Karaite pray house in USA is called "karaimų sinagoga". This is additional evidence that of that our disagreement is not due my bad language (the intention of your indefinite blocking) but due your strong prejudice and non familiarity with karaite thematic. Imagine that somebody will do the same for you at English wikipedia ,especially in Lithuanian thematic articles. Please appreciate my knowledge and contribution and unblock me Неполканов (talk) 17:46, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

You blocking of my Lithuanian user page includes really dishonest manipulation. You cites two my intermediate edits -that were erroneous,but I corrected them myself. The edit about "Cerkve" was never done on Lithuanian Wikipedia. Also you ignored totally the my National Lithuanian history newspaper cite.I can explain you why the Polish Wikipedia has erronious and unsourced pages about Crimean Karaite thematics but you do not want hear. Instead of little effort to discuss and to correct you leave the Lithuanian Wikipedia as is now- unreliable, almost without RS with minor number of editors and with unprecedentedly intolerant admin. May the xenophobia be replaced by common sense? Неполканов (talk) 21:09, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

When someone is blocked indefinitely, the whole editing history must be taken into account. To put it simply, your recent edits were the last straw. For instance, you are known for edit warring, writing in auto-translated sentences. "You cites two my intermediate edits -that were erroneous,but I corrected them myself". I showed you a certain amount of patience since blocking is an option of last resort. Your statement ("There is no such lithuanian word "cerkvė" "Bažnyčia" is the only Lithuanian word for Christian pray house.") was utterly absurd, and showed a severe lack of competence. In this case I care only about keeping incompetent persons away from messing with articles. --Homo ergaster (talk) 23:42, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

It looks me extremely irrational to explain the blocking by the intermediate edits that occurs later while this edits are not wikipedia article edits. Could you be more specific about your claims about my edit warring or writing in auto-translated sentences or severe lexical messing of the articles. Do you able to give such example with my final version and not intermediate edits in more reasonable period-from the warning till the ban(7.10.13 -20.10.17)?

Block

Will I get an ability to use my own Talk in next 6 months? SQORP (talk) 17:41, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

I think it would not be a particularly great idea at the moment. First of all, you need to calm down. Probably, it would be better to discuss things privately via email. Of course, you would have to promise not to use any offensive language. There is no dictatorship, so I think everything can be sorted out in a respectful manner. There is no doubt that user Vosess is a sock-puppet, although things might not be what they seem. There is someone else who could have done it. Cheers, Homo ergaster (talk) 19:05, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Could you consider my block?

Hello, I work in administration department of Vilnius Academy of Arts (VAA) and I was currently editing information about VAA (in Lithuanian) in wikipedia (for the first time). I wanted to insert some history facts about VDA from it's official webpage, however, it seems I don't know how to do it correctly. First time you rejected my edit, second time my account was blocked even though I tried to cite the webpage. Could you please unblock me and tell me how to insert information from oficial web page properly? Most of information on Vilnius Academy of Arts pages in wikipedia is old so I want to renew it as soon as possible. Thank you for your understanding. Official wikipedia guidelines for administrators specifically states instead of blocking you should warn constructively and help editors, especially the new ones. Thank you for your understanding.

Hi.

As a matter of fact, you have been warned (https://lt.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Naudotojo_aptarimas%3ABastille%7Eltwiki&type=revision&diff=5775721&oldid=4833887). Besides, EN Wiki rules do not apply on LT Wiki. Homo ergaster (talk) 13:31, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm very sorry I didn't realise that for I am new here. Could you please unblock me and let me renew information on Vilnius Academy of Arts? Thank you for your understanding. I will try my best to follow the rules on citation and etc.