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Article was rejected. Where i can find concrete reasons?

Hello, i am posted first of it's kind Article and it was rejected.

"published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject." It's not a concrete reason.

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Where i can find reasons? Because we are the source of unique and relevant information. I can't understand. Paulwingle (talk) 20:48, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Paulwingle Your submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article they don't show significant coverage about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Theroadislong (talk) 20:55, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Paulwingle Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It actually is not accurate to say that Wikipedia("we") is "the source of unique and relevant information". Wikipedia is not for merely providing information. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia; as an encyclopedia, Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage state about article subjects that meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability. The sources you have provided don't seem to have significant coverage of the subject, just brief mentions. 331dot (talk) 20:57, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

@Paulwingle: You wrote It's not a concrete reason so I'm guessing that you missed that the blue links in the message on your talk page are links to the pages that describe the meaning of "published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject". Click on those blue links to read about those policies. This is a core principle of Wikipedia; it's how we determine whether a subject is "notable" and should have an article, or not. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 13:19, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

331dot I'm not sure that Paulwingle was referring to Wikipedia when he said 'we' there. I note that a chunk of content in the article is about, and based on, some reviews by Wingle Group Electronics, so there may be an issue of COI here. Paulwingle - please read COI and PAID. I am grateful your indication of your affiliation in your username, but there are other steps you need to take, and other restrictions that you need to be aware of. Please take the necessary steps before editing further. GirthSummit _(blether) 16:05, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Adding multiple URLs to news networks.

There are news websites which encompass a few other sites. For example, Nine.com.au is actually a network of sites, which includes two subdomains (wwos.nine.com.au, 9honey.nine.com.au) and a different domain name (9news.com.au). The main domain is (nine.com.au).

Currently, it's Wikipedia page only lists nine.com.au under the field "URL" in the sidebar. What is the correct way of linking it's children sites in the sidebar (wwos.nine.com.au, 9honey.nine.com.au, 9news.com.au)? I'm looking to scrape a list of URLs of news sites from Wikipedia for an internet filter, but it seems that some subdomains and affiliated domains are not listed on Wikipedia, so they will be missed. Examples of other Wiki pages that links multiple URLs are welcome. Thank you. Aaronshenhao (talk) 06:41, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

I found an example of a Wiki page with multiple URL's: Sina_Corp. I've noticed that some pages use the field "website" instead of "url" (most common) in the infobox. This actually renders differently in the HTML code. With the latter, it is properly classed as "url" in the HTML code and is easier to parse. Aaronshenhao (talk) 11:32, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@Aaronshenhao: Practice is supposed to be to not list sibling- or sub-domains. Just a representative main site is sufficient. Wikipedia shouldn't be a link farm that has to keep track of the structure of its article subjects' websites; we've got enough of that work already in dealing with link rot in citations. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:16, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Thanks a lot for the info. Do you know where I could read more on the accepted conventions? This does make web scraping harder though :P Aaronshenhao (talk) 16:20, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: If it helps, I've also programmatically visited all Wiki pages under the category "News websites" and placed all the pages with multiple URLs as a list in a text file. The list will be available here for 1 year: https://textuploader.com/1l5aa It's a draft only, so there may be mistakes. I've also done it for websites in other categories, but it is not available yet. Aaronshenhao (talk) 10:10, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Another question: Does this also apply to the "external links" section at the bottom too? I've seen a lot of Wikipedia pages of large news sites list multiple affiliated links under that section. Aaronshenhao (talk) 10:06, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Non-contemporary depictions

I noticed that the image was removed from the infobox of several popes (e.g. Pope Gregory VI, Pope Benedict VIII, Pope Benedict IX, Pope Clement II) with the comment "removing a fanciful and misleading depiction". It is not explained why the image is fanciful or misleading, except perhaps that it is not a contemporary image. I don't necessarily put into question the removal of these images, but it's very easy to think "oh, there's an image missing here, let's link one I found on another page", inadvertently undoing the removal which may be lost in the history of the page.

Is there a guideline that requests the removal of non-contemporary depictions ? How does one tell if an image is fanciful (when it's not overly obvious) ? (I might as well start removing several images of Christ for that reason) Kwakeroni (talk) 08:17, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

If we're using an image that we know is unlikely to be accurate, it at minimum ought to have an accompanying caption to say where it's come from, so readers and reusers can assess it (see Harold Harefoot for example). The images on Jesus aren't a fair comparison; they're all very carefully labelled to explain where they came from and which tradition they represent and the article has an entire section dedicated to explaining this, which in turn links to the more detailed Depiction of Jesus which explains how and why the depictions vary. In general, for western portraiture any image earlier than the 1830s that isn't contemporary or derived from a contemporary original is unlikely to have much relation to reality, and contemporary images earlier than the 1830s are likely to be idealised either to make the subject appear good or bad, depending on the opinions of the artist and whoever commissioned the work. (The significance of 1830 is that it marks the point when portrait photography became mainstream, and artists began to paint their subjects as they actually appeared rather than as they wanted to appear.) The images of the popes may well be appropriate for their articles, but they need some kind of disclaimer to prevent readers and reusers thinking that they're going to be accurate representations. ‑ Iridescent 09:06, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes. Take Pope Benedict VIII as an example. I can't find any when/by who info on the image, but my guess is that it was made about 1000 years after he lived, and it's not exactly Michelangelo. It is not unreasonable to question if such an image adds anything of value to the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:50, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Iridescent, for the clear explanation. This gives a good guideline to go by. -- Kwakeroni (talk) 08:37, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Obscure 19th-century depictions not found in modern academic biographies or reference works, and other depictions not commonly associated with the subject in such literature, should not be included in Wikipedia articles. Such illustrations fail WP:IMAGERELEVANCE, which says that images must be "significant", of "encyclopedic nature", and "not primarily decorative". Surtsicna (talk) 13:26, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

I see your point. But it's not always clear when a work is considered obscure, or not of encyclopedic nature. A work like "The Lives and Times of the Popes" when published by "The Catholic Publication Society of America" may seem very legitimate, even when published over a century ago. Well, continuous improvement is a never-ending task, I suppose. -- Kwakeroni (talk) 08:37, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

A depiction is obscure when it is not found in modern academic biographies or reference works. For example, the illustrations in The Lives and Times of the Popes (1842) are obscure. Surtsicna (talk) 09:40, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

An image used in oreliable reference works should be acceptable, even in cases where the depiction might be largely imaginary. In most of these cases, there is one or a few images that are the conventional ones used in writing about the person, of placing their figure in a historical picture of similar context. The reader is helped by knowing what the figures are likely to be used to represent. An example is medieval monarchs, where there are normally nothing more than conventional images on a tomb, or seal, or coin. This is the way they are known and recognized, and it is valid information for the reader (obviously the caption should indicate the source, so no naïve reader will think it's a true portrait in the modern photographic sense) DGG ( talk ) 18:12, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, exactly. Surtsicna (talk) 09:40, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

So why are museum pieces being deleted outright? What's more, other content is being called "likely poppycock" to delete - because it's doubtful? Perhaps you should establish "yea" or "nay" before sweeping it away. I suggest that the images be restored with captions describing their provenance and authorship. Elizium23 (talk) 11:43, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

I think we need to establish here that it is not necessary for an image to be used in another high-quality reference work in order for it to appear in a Wikipedia article's lede infobox image. That is something the MOS guideline does not say.

It is important to remember that Wikipedia is a Creative Commons shop, and we like freely licensed content. Therefore we prefer public domain and Creative Commons-licensed images, and in order to prefer those, we can't just clip a painting out of Encyclopedia Britannica and paste it in Pope Leo's infobox. Quality is very important, yes, and the quality should befit that of a reference work of this calibre, but when we're handed some PD museum pieces, we don't just rip them out of the article because they are a couple hundred years removed from the subject. Elizium23 (talk) 11:50, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Carlo Masi

I wrote a biography of Carlo Masi (Ruggero Freddi) basing mostly on a biography written by Strega Prize winner Walter Siti, who is one of the most important Italian writers alive. This biography is a book published by Rizzoli Libri one of the most important Italian publishers. Apart from the book I used as a source Corriere della Sera, la Repubblica, La Stampa and Il Giornale which are the most important Italian national news papers, very reliable and authoritative (here you can find a list of the most important Italian daily news papers and you can check they are respectively in 1st, 2nd, 5th, and 10th position). Moreover I used Attitude (magazine), Times Higher Education, Gay Star News, Vanity Fair (magazines) (here it says it is reliable for wikipedia) and Vice (magazine)(here it says that its reliability is not consensus ) but mostly in the "media attention" part. I also used for some details about his porn career Xbiz (here it says it is reliable for wikipedia). Finally, I gave the link to the segment of the tv show where he asked his partner to marry him. Every single article I cite here is entirely on Carlo Masi (Ruggero Freddi) apart from the review of theater show he did, but even there his name is in bold and he is the main character.

I don't know if this makes any difference but his biography is present in the Spanish (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Masi) , Italian (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Masi), Polish (https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Masi), French(https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Masi) and Korean (https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%B9%B4%EB%A5%BC%EB%A1%9C_%EB%A7%88%EC%8B%9C) wikipedia (I didn't use any of them as source).

As a porn star he was one of the most important and he was definitely the most important at Colt Studio Group, the company he worked for, in fact he is the only one ever named "emeritus" and he is the cover man of the 40th anniversary celebrative book of the company. Apart from the porn career his theater debut rose a lot of attention among critics and media. Moreover, media from all around the world have spoken about him when he become a professor for one of the most prestigious university in Italy, Sapienza University of Rome.

He is not notable as a professor but he is definitely notable as a porn actor and even more notable as a composition of porn actor-professor as the unique ever known case in the world.

If there is a problem with one or more specific sources please tell me which one and I will replace it or delete the specific information. Can you please tell me how come I got a "is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia" message and a STOP? a problem with one or two sources or with a specific part of the bio can not be cause of rejection.

--AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 13:44, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello: @AlejandroLeloirRey:, someone will answer you shortly. In the meantime, please stop posting the same request al over Wikipedia. This post is the fourth time you have posted the same thing on different talk pages today.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:08, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: i apology, I thought they were different and separated thing where to gather information. i didn't mean to be inpolite. i am sorry. should i delete those posts? --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 15:30, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: A few days have passed and I had no answer, what is more appropriate to do ? should I re-post it, wait a few more days and than re-post it or simply never re-post it? thank you for your advises.--AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 09:57, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

George William Eve (1855-1914) article and questions

Dear Sir, Thank you for your reply to my post about George William Eve (1855-1914). I note your reason for deleting my additions to the article. I'm a little puzzled, about your comment that genealogical material should be left out, because, when looking randomly at another Wikipedia example, in this case, William Wordsworth, that article has both his parents and children listed. I was doing exactly the same for George William Eve. Perhaps you meant that some of the biographical material about his family might in 'inappropriate' for Wikipedia. In which case, I could leave some of that out. I need some guidelines for this, though.

Thank you for pointing me towards a help page for beginners, re referencing. I'll have another go soon.

Many thanks, Chris Eve CelticViking.1 (talk) 20:59, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Apparently in reference to George Eve, and a continuation of this discussion, above. Adding David notMD. Mathglot (talk) 21:09, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Parents and children can be considered appropriate if not too lengthy on any of them. What I meant is don't go big - grandparents, great-grandparents.... David notMD (talk) 01:11, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

. See WP:EINSTEIN: the amount of detail about a person depends to some degree on the extent to which an ordinary reader is likely to want information. There is a considerable difference between the general cultural importance of your subject, and Wordsworth DGG ( talk ) 18:05, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you to both David notMD, Mathglot and DGG for your feedback. Learning about writing and editing on Wikipedia feels a bit overwhelming, like jumping into the deep end! CelticViking.1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by CelticViking.1 (talk • contribs) 12:08, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Additional Information

I recently came into possession of a rare photograph of Marmaduke Military Academy Faculty, of which my great grandfather was an instructor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmaduke_Military_Academy I have a photo of the faculty taken about 1892. Can this be added to the site? ```` Jonrmoore (talk) 21:43, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Is it copyrighted? If it is not, then you can upload to Wikimedia Commmons and use it on Wikipedia. Otherwise, you must be autoconfirmed (your account must be four days old and you must make 10 edits) in order to upload to Wikipedia. Wynn Liaw (talk) 01:46, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

If it was taken before 1923, it's not copyrighted. You will need to state this clearly when you upload it to Wikimedia Commons. Maproom (talk) 06:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Convenience link to c:Special:UploadWizard. Pelagic (talk) 22:07, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

questionable biographies on wikipedia, poorly sourced and no reliable

Hallo, there is a certain number of biographies very poorly sourced with number of dead links and unreliable sources. here are the bios I am referring to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Dreyden

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Daigle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colby_Keller

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Marshall

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Marshall

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Radcliffe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zak_Spears

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin_Wilde

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Sagat

this last one for being way too celebrative (the article is written as a press release for him).

Is there a special procedure to follow to ask for this pages to be reviewed? I think that this pages were written many years ago when wikipedia had less strict rules about sourcing and they have survived only because no one has looked at them anymore. thank you. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 00:23, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi AlejandroLeloirRey. If your main concern is that the above-mentioned articles have "dead links", then that's not really going to be seen as a reason for deletion. Dead links are often a problem that are found in articles, but it's often a problem, as explained in WP:DEADREF, that can be fixed. Moreover, sources aren't required to be available online per WP:PUBLISHED. Although it's easier to verify a source available online, a source isn't considered unreliable if it isn't online. If you're concerns are that there are "bad" (i.e. unreliable sources) being cited in the article, then that's a different matter. Even it that case, however, deletion might not be necessary if better sources can be found or the content in question is removed depending upon its context. Adding templates like Template:BLP sources, Template:More citations needed or Template:Citation needed is often done per WP:BURDEN to let others know of a possible problem if you're unable to resolve the issue yourself. The main reason for deleting the article is going to be whether the subjects are considered to meet Wikipedia:Notability or one of the various notability sub-guidelines. Notability is not a temporary thing so try and keep that in mind when assessing it. If you feel that the subjects of these articles are clearly not Wikipedia notable, then you can proceed as explained in WP:DELETE; however, you should also take a look at WP:BEFORE, WP:NEXIST and WP:ARTCON before doing so. You might also want to post a query on the talk page of relevant Wikipedia projects to get other input. You'll usually see which WikiProject's scope an article falls under by check the article's talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:44, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @AlejandroLeloirRey: You did the right thing by raising discussions on the Talk pages of some of those articles about their Notability issues. You could follow that up by adding a {{Notability}} template to the top of each article where you suspect that notability is an issue, and be sure to include the |bio= param with it. For those articles that need better referencing, you could also add the {{Refimprove}} template. For cases where the source is unreliable, tag the article inline by adding the {{better source}} template right after the questionable reference, and be sure to use the |reason= param to briefly indicate your objection to the poor reference. For dead links, see WP:LINKROT. If the url can be found in the Internet archive, you can use {{webarchive}} or the |archive-url= param of the {{cite}} templates. If it's not in the archive, please append the {{dead link}} template inline. HTH, Mathglot (talk) 00:49, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mathglot:, @Marchjuly:. tell me if I am wrong. Bad sourcing is not a synonymous of lack of notability but it can be a symptom. Bad sourcing can be improved while there is nothing to do for a lack of notability. Still, those pages have been around for ages and if no one ever cared or could improve the sourcing is not a good sign neither. I will not ask for deletion but I will try to fix the sourcing myself, if I can not succeed I will add templates. but when can you tell that the sourcing can not be improved? for example if in a month no one improved those sources significantly would it be then reasonable to ask for deletion? --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 08:36, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

"when can you tell that the sourcing can not be improved?" It's pretty much a judgement call. If you look and didn't find any, suggesting deletion can be quite reasonable. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:19, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Regarding "Bad sourcing can be improved while there is nothing to do for a lack of notability": that is correct. Also, and maybe this is obvious, but sourcing is required for the content of the article, whereas notability is strictly about the topic of the article, regardless whether the article is well-sourced or not, or even whether the article exists or not. For this reason, asking for deletion should not be tied to whether the sources have been improved or not, whether after a month or a year; this is a volunteer project, and there is WP:NODEADLINE. Deletion should happen for one of the reasons listed at WP:DEL-REASON. That said, if you believe that the topic itself is notable and you've tagged the article as needing references and none are forthcoming after some time, you can start to remove content from the article until there is nothing left but an article stub; possibly even only a single, defining sentence. Before you start slashing and burning, though, you might want to notify the top ten editors by {{ping}}ing them on the article Talk page, and let them know about your plans; maybe one of them will step up, and start adding references, and you won't have to cut anything. Work with other editors if possible, to develop a consensus on how to proceed. Mathglot (talk) 09:29, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mathglot: I am still taking time to think well before acting. I know that wikipedia doesn't consider wikipedia a good source but the fact that a person has wikipedia bios in different languages is a prove or a hint of notability? --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 09:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlejandroLeloirRey: unfortunately, it's not. As you've already gleaned, WP:WPINARS. Other language Wikipedias—even less so, as their [[WP:V|Verifiability] policy may be different than ours here at en-wiki. So, unfortunately, you can't draw any conclusions about notability with respect to en-wiki, based on the fact that other language Wikipedia's may have biographies about them. Mathglot (talk) 12:12, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mathglot: Here is the problem, they have been all pretty known porn stars but the sourcing for this type of bios comes mostly from sources judged as "bad" moreover due to the fact that they were in porn years ago now it is even hard to find that type of sources. Most of them had a pretty respectable amount of fame because of their porn activity, but as i said they were pretty notable in their field (like many others) and wikipedia says that if you can not find "reliable" sources than that person's bio shouldn't be here. If we apply this rule it would be fair to submit them for deletion but I am not sure that this would be either fair or an improve for wikipedia. Look at Zak Spears, he was very popular and definitely I would say he is notable but there is almost no sourcing at all. Also for the prizes (this is common for all of them), there is no sourcing for the prices their bios tells they won, I fell this is a major problem. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 14:48, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Some consideration about sourcing

Hallo, I am not sure if this is the right place where to post this so if it is not please advise me where to move it. I would like to discuss with you some thoughts I have about sourcing, more precisely about biography.

General reading purpose biographies of living people (not academic purpose or journalistic investigations) usually are mostly based on interviews (followed by fact checking) but still there is a questionable interaction between the writer and the subject of the bio. Moreover, biographies for general reading purpose (not academic purpose) make up some details: if it reports a not recorded conversation happened years before it is obvious that it is not reporting the exact words (no one could be 100% sure of what the exact word are), the same happens if they describe any detail like a dress, a room, or tell what a person thought in a precise moment. If we consider this level of "fabrication" unacceptable for a reliable source we need to delete 98% of the biographies of living people.

I believe that general reading purpose biographies should be considered reliable (depending on the author and the publisher) even if they obviously made up some details that no one could ever know as the relevant facts are double checked and are not made up. May be telling something happened 10 years ago the biographer might tell what the person felt or thought in a precise moment. This is either made up or based on an interview but to me this doesn't make the biography unreliable. As long as fiction aspects of a biography are not reported in the wikipedia biography that level of "fabrication" shouldn't be a reason to question the biography as a source. Being so stiff would make sense if there was not common agreement on a fact but in such case you can not question a source without reporting other sources that disagree with it. Moreover, when a source reports a conversation not using the exact words is because of two reasons: first, no one could tell what the exact words were unless the conversation was recorded, and second most often the words are not important. If I report a conversation of a person with his mother in a book I might be way more interested into using that conversation to tell what kind of relation they had, rather than being precise. Another example, if I tell in a biography of when that person argued with his mother, is not important what he exactly said but it is important how bad the fight was. So, sometime conversations are simply used to describe a relation or an intimacy and in such case it is obviously unimportant how precisely the conversation is reported.

Finally, I feel that when it comes up to sourcing we need to be reasonable and check also the context where a source is used. Unless there is disagreement among different sources it shouldn't be important what source you are using for facts like: where and when the person was born, how tall he is and general stuff like that. I understand being stiff if someone reports that a person was an actor, a model, an astronaut, a singer but the only sources one can find are his interviews but speaking of not sensible details basically if there is not disagreement any source should be accepted.

Being so unreasonably stiff with sourcing is discouraging a lot of people to write anything. Plus, most of the material on wikipedia was written years ago when sourcing was not such an issue, becoming so stiff not would make it questionable a big part of the biographies you can find on wikipedia now. So, also to make wikipedia a little bit more homogeneous and even please be reasonable.

what do you think about it? please, feel free to agree with me (jocking). I would like to hear your opinions. thank you

--AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 09:52, 12 April 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 09:52, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey Please read the Biographies of Living Persons policy. It is necessary to be very strict with the sourcing of such articles, mostly for legal reasons. In most countries editors or Wikipedia itself might be put in legal jeopardy if biographies of living people had poorly sourced or unsourced claims. Perhaps we have different definitions depending on where we live, but where I am a 'biography' has no fiction at all. Interviews are considered primary sources and while primary sources are acceptable for sourcing certain information, it must be put in context. For example, many celebrities(especially but not exclusively women) are not honest about their ages, for various reasons. The person themselves is not always the best source of information about them. This is why independent sources are preferred. 331dot (talk) 13:43, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

@331dot: hallo, thank you for your point of view. Don't you fee that if anyone questions one source to determine someone's age or similar issues than he should at least point out another source in disagree with the source in the bio?. I see your point, look at zsa zsa gabor but in those cases you have plenty of sources in disagreement. General agreement on a detail should constitute it self a proof of reliability. While I agree that a biography has to be reliable (an authoritative writer and publisher), I can see that all biography for general reading purpose have a component of fiction, it is impossible to avoid it if you are writing a book, other wise you are not writing a book but filling up a list of things. if you could mention any historical person biography available on internet I would be happy to give you examples of what I mean (a book not one or two pages). If one environment is described or a conversation reported there is no way that the exact words or exact collocation of the forniture are reported but this doesn't make the biography totally useless. Of course the author must have based the description of the clothes and environments on the paintings, and the content of the conversations on some other sources but it is easy to understand that every time you report anything that is not in an official document it is a little bit made up, always. And Also official document can be questionable sometime. A biography of Catherine the Great probably is not reliable to prove what she ate in a particular dinner but it is good enough to prove she was an empress of Russia who died in 1762. This is what i mean when I say that one needs to look at the context where the bio are used. If I am writing the bio of an astronaut it should be not too important where I took the information that he actually was an astronaut as all the sources agree on it and that is not disputable. I feel that such stiffness should apply mostly to questionable facts that do not meet general agreement (you can find different sources that report the fact in different ways). Let me give you one last example, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Big_Brother_19_(American_season)_houseguests#Mark this bios are written after very poor not third part sources, still they are reliable because of two reason. First they are not reporting anything so amazingly spectacular that you need extra source and second it wouldn't make much sense lying on this kind of information. for legal issue is another things but I am not talking of sensitive information. To make a long story short, I am not telling that any biography is reliable for anything or any biography written by autoritative writers are reliable for anything but that sources, especially books, should be considered on the basis of what you are taking from them and on the context you use them. AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 14:24, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlejandroLeloirRey: Ha ha, I see your point. Well, there is always the WP:IAR rule, but in my experience, most editors deny that it exists (okay to be fair, they don't deny it exists, they deny that it is ever applicable). But they are wrong! There is a higher rule, and that rule is to do that which will lead to making Wikipedia better. The policies are really intended to act as a basis for arbitrating things, but strict adherence to all the rules (exclusive, of course, of IAR) does not necessarily lead to this desirable end.

Here is a particular example. I came across a case where somebody had deleted some particular claim on the basis that there was no citation to support it. The claim made was (at the very least) plausible. I reverted the deletion, asserting that the editor should instead have tagged it with "citation needed" (and so I added this tag myself). The editor's response was that, according to policy, when content is properly deleted, it may only be re-added if a proper citation is included. My response was that it was improper to delete a plausible claim without giving notice that the citation is needed, but in fact, this was "common sense" on my part, not an actual rule, as far as I am aware.

So let's stipulate the other editor is correct, that every editor may properly delete every unsupported claim they feel like, and that other editors can only re-add the content if they include a valid citation. That would be chaos, but it's there in the rules. Editors who want to insist that rules reign supreme over content may want to watch out. They just might get what they wish for.

I must caution that mine is (apparently) a minority opinion. I don't recall any other editors suggesting that common sense may be considered when interpreting policy. Fabrickator (talk) 18:49, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

There's always the WP:COMMONSENSE part of IAR. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

@Fabrickator: @Gråbergs Gråa Sång: I am happy to read your post because I started feeling like everyone here had turned off their brain and replaced it with a computer that only checks rules. Wikipedia itself explains that the rules here are general guide lines and not something stiff. If I am telling that Marie Antoinette was queen of France any source will do as it is commonly knows. The same should be for any minor fact where all the sources find agreement. If I am telling the age of an actress I might need extra attention if not every source is reporting the same age but if any think I can find report the same age any source than will do. Sourcing is important and so is good sourcing but extra care is only needed when the fact are controversial, sensitive, incredible, etc. Also for interviews, which I see as not reliable, but if it is used as a source as something like "he lived 3 years in Egypt" it is good enough, this type of detail are not likely to be found anywhere else but in interview and biographies. AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 08:52, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Judging sources you don't know in languages you don't speak?

Hallo, I wrote a draft and sourced 90% with Italian sources (book, authoritative daily news papers ad some magazine). My draft has been declined 2 times and rejected 1 time (each time I worked on it to include the opinions I was given about my work). Is it normal that none of the people who have rejected/declined my draft speak any Italian (especially considering that the main problem seems to be the sourcing)? As a metter of fact I asked the person who rejected my draft to tell me at least couple of specific sources he had a problem with but kept giving me only very generic answers refusing to point out one single specific problem or source.

I know as a fact that the sources I used are universally judged as very reliable (in Italy), but if one doesn't speak Italian it is pretty hard to convince him. Don't you think that before rejecting a draft for bad sourcing one should know both the sources and the language they are written (and check the context in which they are used)?

Note: the first 2 times the draft was rejected it was because they found in the sources list (Notes) not reliable sources. Those "bad" sources were not used to prove anything but the fact that in every part of the world magazines and tabloids spoke about the Biographed so they were in the bio only to prove that his name was actually everywhere in the world. For as bad as a source can be, it will still be good enough to prove that it spoke about something (not that what it says is correct but that it said it). I can see now that reporting such a thing might be too celebrative but than I should have got a different message. I really didn't want to waste time explaining something so obvious so I fixed it cutting off that part. But guys, it is frustrating, you can not rush into delinting/rejecting stuff. Don't you think that for rejecting someone's work you should spend a fairly amount of energy to check it out and also to inform the person who did the job about the specific reasons for rejection?

thank you --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 09:41, 13 April 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 09:41, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

(see also the section Wikipedia:Teahouse#Draft:Carlo_Masi above)

@AlejandroLeloirRey: well, for the draft Draft:Carlo Masi I can't see where anybody has said that they haven't reviewed the Italian-language sources, so that appears to be an incorrect assertion. In the draft, you have made extensive use of a book that was published a month ago, so claiming that it is universally judged as very reliable (in Italy) may be a bit of an exaggeration. Furthermore, the only claim to notability is the media attention in 2017 when some students discovered that their lecturer was a pornographic actor, and that is pretty tenuous. I think one reason this was rejected may have been the repeated re-submissions and requests for review, here and on other boards and user talk pages. There is no deadline, and there can be no reason to be in such a hurry about this. --bonadea contributions talk 11:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bonadea: How could someone review an Italian source if he doesn't speak any Italian?. when I say universally judged as very reliable (in Italy) I am referring to the daily news paper (La repubblica, il messaggero, etc). I was suggested to base the biography on the book as the author is one of the most recognized in Italy (see Strega Prize Walter Siti) and also the publisher is one of the most respectable: Rizzoli Libri and I follow every piece of suggestion I am given. If the problem is the book as a primary source then I can change it. As a matter of fact Carlo was known as one of the most famous gay porn actors in the world (only ever Emeritus for Colt Studio Group) and as far as I can see this is good enough to be on wikipedia(Category:Gay_pornographic_film_actors). Am I wrong?. I agree with you that he is even more known as a combination of porn actor and an academic but this is one more reason for his bio to be here. you say I think one reason this was rejected may have been the repeated re-submissions and requests for review, here and on other boards and user talk pages and this discloses one of the main problems here. When a draft is rejected is the draft itself to be judged or it is rather its author's behavior? as far as I understood if my behavior is somehow "problematic" I can be suspended or other disciplinary measures can be taken but this should have nothing to do with the draft itself. What you say means to me that probably here the problem is me rather than the draft itself. Please notice that before re-submitting it I worked on it and changed it to fix the problem risen. Going back to notability, you say he is more known for the combination of being an academic and a porn actor, well Pietro Boselli, Mary Kay Letourneau, Pamela Rogers Turner and many, many others are on wikipedia for stories with a very much similar kind of notability. They were teachers, they did something that gained the world attention and now they are here (for no other reason). I think that Carlo should be here first as a porn star, but if you question this (I wouldn't know how), he should be here because of the word wide attention his story gathered. I already know you will not answer again as it has happened again and again, when I answer something reasonable either I don't get any other answer or they change subject and this is why after a while I try to ask to someone else. A discussion is an exchange of opinion that should extend to more than one answer. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 14:17, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

you say he is more known for the combination of being an academic and a porn actor No, I did not say that – sorry for being unclear. I said that the existing claim to notability, in the article at the present time, is the media attention from 2017. (As you point out, he is not notable as an academic.) --bonadea contributions talk 14:40, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bonadea: thank you for (very, very, very partially, but still) answering, I really would have bet you wouldn't have. As far as i understood notability doesn't age (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#Notability_is_not_temporary). So, IF he was notable as a gay porn star 1000 years ago, he still is now. Yes, he is not notable at all as an academic. I claim notability for both: porn actor itself and for the combination of porn actor-academic (like Pietro Boselli, Mary Kay Letourneau, Pamela Rogers Turner and many, many others). --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 15:00, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlejandroLeloirRey: Absolutely, notability is not temporary, but it looks like a couple of reviewers agreed that it does not look like he meets the notability criteria for actors. I want to emphasise that I have not actually made a proper review of the sources, but I do have some sympathy for your position here – I don't think it is completely obvious that WP:GNG is not met, but as I say I haven't evaluated the sources properly, and WP:BLP1E is also relevant here. If a person is known for one event only, and the news coverage is all about that event, it is less likely that they are in fact notable. I'm afraid I can't really help you further (at least not at this time of night) – I mostly wanted to provide a different perspective. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 20:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bonadea: Look, I am not as stupid as I sound and I perfectly got that no one here wants to question a decision made by a respectable members of this community but in this case I think that it is a rushed decision and it was taken by people who could not read the sources as they do not speak the language. If you can give it a chance and check it out when you have time you would make me happy.

As I said I claim him to be notable also as a porn actor. He was an exclusive model for what was considered the most prestigious company on the market Colt Studio Group, not only that, he was the main actor of the company. Supporting this there are three major facts: first he is the only one ever named Colt Man Emeritus, second he is the one chosen as the cover man for the 40th year anniversary book of the company and third, even if he retired almost 10 years ago, in the model section of the company's web site he is still the most popular. Here is the link: https://www.coltstudiogroup.com/models . If that is not enough, how many gay porn actor do you think were famous enough to make tour across USA, Mexico and Europe in clubs and discos?(this is pretty easy to be checked). Look at this page, merchandise with his pictures is still sold: https://coltstudiostore.com/search?type=product&q=carlo+masi . He is on greeting cards, fridge magnets, tens of calendars (mostly covers), shower curtains, lap top sleeves, books, notebook and consider that most of his merchandise is sold out now as, once again, he retired years ago.

Supporting his notability before he become professor (before 2017) Look here: he was the guest star of the most important Italian tv shows. He was the first and only gay porn stars ever accepted in the circuit of the national Italian tv. This video is from his FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/RuggeroFreddi/videos/253527992083794/ . It is Chiambretti Night one of the most followed Italian tv show and he was the Guest Star (he was the special guest there a few times), and this was 2010 so way before he became a professor. Not enough?, here are a few national daily news papers writing about him quitting porn and doing a theater piece of Beckett: la Repubblica-articolo, Corriere della Sera- articolo, La Stampa-article, and these are just those I could find with a fast search through google. Just give them a look and you shall see that there are article only about him not a note or similar. I don't tell any of this, even if in my opinion it is more than worthy of mention (firs and only gay porn actor in the national tv as a respected guest star), because if I say any of this I would be told to be celebrative and be rejected.

One of the most important Italian writers wrote the book of his story, his whole story not only that fact. The book starts with Carlo Masi as a 3 months child and ends with his wedding (2018), once again first and only gay wedding ever brodcasted live on national tv ( Pomeriggio Cinque). I really would not consider such a person notable for only one fact, unless we agree that gay porn actor should not be on wikipedia, than I would claim notability for only one fact. I know I am stubborn but I know I am right and I know that the people who rejected my draft didn't have any clue of who Carlo is and they pointed out the easiest thing, sourcing. None of them read Italian and most of the sourcing is in Italian, I would take it if I was told that one or two sources are arguable but I can't take that it is bad sourced. So, at the end of the day, what do we have here? a notable person biography with a reasonable sourcing, why shouldn't it be here?

--AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 23:08, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, AFC gives opinion of one experienced editor on whether the article is likely to be kept in a community deletion discussion (WP:AFD). No matter how many re-submissions have happened or declined/rejected, it doesn't amount to "community consensus" unless an actual widely publicised community discussion has happened on the notability of the topic. So, if a few members disagree on whether a topic is notable, and a few others seem unsure about it, that looks like a prime candidate for AFD. Would you rather it were moved to mainspace with the sole purpose of putting it through an AFD so that you have a definitive answer from the community? Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool: well, at this point I feel that no one would ever stand for this draft, it doesn't matter if carlo masi cured the cancer or gave a proof of Riemann hypothesis no one is going to say than another editor was wrong. Plus, it wasn't me to say in first place I think one reason this was rejected may have been the repeated re-submissions and requests for review, here and on other boards and user talk pages and I think he was 100% right, the problem, whatever it was it was not the draft, the sourcing or notability. So, yes, go ahead and candidate it for AFD so I can have a bunch of people who have not clue and who speak no Italian (so they can't read or judge the sources) telling me how unreliable are the most important Italian news paper, how irrelevant is a Strega Prize winner's Book and that all of this doesn't prove that a gay porn actor is notable (give a look to the bios of the other gay porn actor here). Here is like if you had to convince a person from Cina that if some one is interviewed by Oprah is a big thing, that the times, the sun, the new york time, etc are reliable news papers and that Charles Bukowski was one of the most important German-American poets.

So, yes go ahead and promote his deletion because even discussing all of this is ridiculous. Would you please explain me how is it like? is there going to be a discussion? can I partecipate to the discussion? can you give me the link to the discussion?. anyway, thank you, way better to get a senseless no than having to keep telling blind people the sun is yellow. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 10:05, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey, An WP:AFD (please follow the link) will be a community discussion which will be widely publicised and everyone is welcome to participate in it. People will argue why it should be kept or deleted and those who disagree can rebut and provide counter-arguments; after at least seven days have passed, an administrator will assess the consensus and close it with concluding remarks/actions. The discussion will be listed at the Italy-related discussion AFD discussion board (please follow the link) as well as other relevant topic boards (actor, academic, biography come to mind). Optionally, WP:WikiProject Italy (please follow the link) can be notified asking that people who know Italian look in.

There are plenty of notable people from my country who I don't create articles on because it is difficult to prove that with sources I can access, and no one will believe me when I say they are notable. There are some topics where there is a critical mass of active editors who can just say "Come on! Every one knows that this subject is notable" and get an article kept, there are subjects like those related to my country where there are only a handful of editors and so, we just don't bother no matter how notable a topic is, unless the subject meets WP:GNG (please follow the link) unequivocally from available online sources. If an AFD gets it wrong, there is not much we can do; it's an imperfect universe and Wikipedia is part of it. I understand you are frustrated and if it's venting you are after, I am fine with that. if you are looking for options; i just gave you one. To improve your chances at an AFD, perhaps try and find help from WikiProject Italy first? Post at the talk page asking that someone look at the draft and provide an opinion as to whether it should be an article. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:38, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool: well, in this case it is hard to prove notability only because the people who are supposed to check it didn't speak the language and didn't have a clue of what the most reliable news papers of the country are. On one hand I get a "not enough notability" answer but on the other hand if I put all the relevant thing Carlo did I get a "too much celebrative" answer. I was also told that most of the sources "didn't pass a mention", a mention. What? his name is in the title! and the whole thing is about him. Even if you do not speak the language you can tell that those articles are entirely based on him. I was also told "he could have wrote some of those sources himself". How? if you are not registered in the Italian journalists' register you can not write on those papers. I was told he is famous only for one thing but his name kept popping out those important news papers since he was a porn star. Plus, once again, look at the other gay porn stars bios here on wikipedia, 90% of them never have been mentioned by any reliable news papers or ever have been on a national tv show. Why are they here than?. For being a gay porn star he was more than notable. I know it might not seem like this from my posts but I appreciate your help, believe me. I am not frustrated because Carlo Masi will not be on wikipedia, but for the complete lack of pertinence of the answers I got so far, all of them are very random answers and this proves that whoever was reasonable for checking out didn't give a damn and they only wanted to have one more thing (quickly) done. Look, I read those guides many times and they are all interpretable and not as stiff as someone here would like them to be. I don't think there is much I can do at this point to improve it. I could add other 1000 sources, all reliable, but I was told this is not a good thing to do, that it is better to have a few sources all reliable. what more could I do?. I prefer to get a definitive no at this point and know this is not a war I can win with facts or evidences. Once again, I know how any community is, there is always a hierarchy and no one whats to piss off the respected members of the community, even when they are wrong. So, I know I will get a 'no' but I also know why I will get such an answer. At the end of the day at lease I got to practice my english but I am not going to write anything anymore for wikipedia, it is pointless. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 11:41, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

an alphabet of words

It has come to my attention that we have disambiguation pages for A_word (autism, adultery, etc.), B word (bastard, Brexit), F word (fuck, feminism), K word (word processor, Christian radio), and various other letters. (And redirects: the "H word" takes you straight to Hell.) I'd like to make these more findable, from one dab page to another. Is there a more elegant solution than listing them as "see also", as T-word does? Carbon Caryatid (talk) 16:44, 12 April 2020 (UTC) Carbon Caryatid (talk) 16:44, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

@Carbon Caryatid: Like maybe User:AlanM1/Template/Navbox x-word, to be transcluded at the bottom of each of those pages? I'll note the articles are not hyphenated consistently, either (I think they should be hyphenated). Feel free to move that to Template:Navbox x-word and modify as needed. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:50, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1 and Carbon Caryatid: in general this sort of navbox is not appropriate for disambiguation pages, see MOS:DABICON. older ≠ wiser 13:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bkonrad and AlanM1: Oh dear - I've spent rather a long time implementing the kind suggestion that User:AlanM1 prepared for me. I had just come back to this page to report on progress. If navboxes are "in general...not appropriate", then can you suggest a better way to alert readers to the phenomenon of referring to contentious topics by their initial? Carbon Caryatid (talk) 15:28, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

I was wondering how best to disambiguate those template entries when I stumbled across this discussion. Transcluding a navbox in a dab and having intentional links to dabs in a navbox are both highly unusual, and we don't really have procedures in place for dealing with either. Certes (talk) 21:22, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Dab pages don't normally have navboxes because navboxes provide topical navigation and dab pages don't represent topics so don't need topical navigation. But I don't see any reason not to make an exception here – dab page can sometimes assume a topical aspect, as happens when dab pages that list people with a certain surname might be categorised somewhere under the otherwise clearly non-dab Category:Surnames. All the X-words are related as members of a class, so it's not unreasonable for each member to link to the others. – Uanfala (talk) 21:46, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Having said, I would like to add that even though I have no objection to seeing this navbox on dab pages, like K-word, it certainly strikes me as inappropriate for articles like The D-Word to have that. – Uanfala (talk) 21:50, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

There's nothing connecting these pages other than an arbitrariness of language. I object to including them on disambiguation pages as they do not help readers to navigate between ambiguous topics per MOS:DABICON. older ≠ wiser 21:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

It is the very linguistic phenomenon that interests me - I quite like the phrase "an arbitrariness of language". We list and link plenty of other arbitrary collections, for example significant events that happened on April 14, no matter what year or country. X-words are members of a class, just as April14-events are members of a class. If an exception can be made such that the navbox may be included, great; if not, what other mechanism can be suggested to make the class findable by curious readers? (By the way User talk:Uanfala, is your comment above -- "I have objection" -- missing a "no"?) Carbon Caryatid (talk) 12:52, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Ah, yes, fixed now. As for the analogy with events and dates, we might have an article about April 14, but any articles there might be about events that happened on this date will not link to the other events that happened on the same date, either via navboxes, or in the text. – Uanfala (talk) 13:37, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

OK, it's not a perfect analogy, but readers looking at an article about one April14-event will know that there are plenty of other events that happened on the same day, and plenty of April13-events and April15-events too. I don't think the same can be said of x-words. I am thinking particularly of the large part (half?) of our readership for whom English is not the first language. If you know that there are one or a couple of words so powerful they must never be spoken (e.g. the N-word), it does not follow that you realise that most of the English alphabet has received a similar treatment, sometimes with highly ambiguous results. Yesterday I discovered that "the W-word" has been used since the turn of the century for whore, worship, witch, woman, wetback, and I can't remember how many other subjects. It is a linguistic phenomenon worthy of daylight, surely. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 14:29, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

The page ... has been reviewd.

Hello, From time to time I've received notices that state 'The page [name of page] has been reviewed. When I look at the watchlist I can see (Page curation log) time, name of user, and marked [name of article] as reviewed (Tag: PageTriage). For some time now I've been curious of the meaning of this. I can not see any tags on the articles. Thank you! LorriBrown (talk) 21:08, 12 April 2020 (UTC) LorriBrown (talk) 21:08, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

LorriBrown, this has to do with curating new pages. This is done with new page reviewers who use the tool to evaluate new pages and lets them improve it, suggest improvements to it, nominate it for deletion, among other things. If you would like more info refer to Wikipedia:Page Curation/Help. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 22:40, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu Thank you I appreciate this information! Best, LorriBrown (talk) 01:19, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

LorriBrown, it also means that the article has been released for indexing by search engines. Any article that you have created doesn't show up on google search before it is marked as reviewed. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:43, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool, Thank you this is very good to know! :-) Best, LorriBrown (talk) 14:47, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool, on that note, is there a way to review a page but suppress search engine indexing on it? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, I know no better than is at WP:NOINDEX. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool, thanks for the link. One of my user subpages got reviewed so I assumed it's been indexed, though according to that page it seems like reviewing does not index user pages. Cheers! Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:58, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Page of an Indian Cybersecurity Expert rejected

 Courtesy link: Draft:Rahul Sasi

I have submitted about an Indian Cybersecurity expert and a well renowed Infosec speaker who has travelled across 14 countries and gave speaches. He has tons of News sources citing his works. Yet it failed the review. Kindly help me where it went wrong ? SahilZAC (talk) 21:49, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

SahilZAC, welcome to the Teahouse. Reading AngusWOOF's comment it seems that he would prefer your best three sources to consider for the review. I suggest leaving a message on his talk page or on the draft's talk page to start a correspondence with him. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 22:04, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

SahilZAC. I've only looked at a couple of the sources, but: the first one is a mere mention, and the third one is partly by him, not about him. Neither of these contributes towards his notability. Have a look at WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 09:12, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine Can i know which are these sources.? Plenty of news sources have covered his research. I will remove the source which was written by him. Are we looking mainly on links in the infocards ?

Correcting an article

Hi. I've never edited a Wikipedia page before. But I saw an error, an incorrect date, on a page.

I created an account, and tried to correct it, but got all kinds of "citation error" notices. Thus it appears that I don't know what I'm doing. I would appreciate your help (or someone else correcting the error).

The page in question is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Landers_earthquake

The website talks about a foreshock that happened in Joshua Tree, but it lists the date as April 23rd. This is wrong. This Joshua Tree quake happened on April 22nd, and I have several sources to back me up. It happened just before 10pm on the 22nd, and thus a lot of news stories might be dated April 23rd. However the actual quake happened on April 22nd.

Thanks for any help you can offer.

Russ Rwflash (talk) 22:48, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Rwflash. The date of the foreshock is currently reported as (UTC), which is Coordinated Universal Time, a worldwide standard. UTC is the local time in London, and Wikipedia operates on UTC. UTC is often used in articles about scientific topics, and April 23 is correct in UTC. On the other hand, the date and time of the main earthquake is reported in local time. So, there is a discrepancy that should be discussed at Talk: 1992 Landers earthquake. I added a reference to the Los Angeles Times story about the foreshock. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:15, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

We might have a template similar to {{convert}} that shows both local and UTC times. I have a feeling I saw something once, but can't recall if it was intended for article space or just talk. Pelagic (talk) 15:13, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Disgusting George Pell

 Courtesy link: George Pell

Is it not possible to remove Pell's countenance from the home page? This sanctimonious hypocrite is a disgrace to his religion, whatever it is, and is truly unfit to be a part of the human race, as bad as that is. His crimes should overwhelm the technicalities upon which his convictins were overturned. We have seen enough of this dough-faced creep. PLEASE get rid of him. 70.105.250.100 (talk) 01:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

If you wish to talk about getting his picture removed, please refer to the article's talk page. Unless it violates a copyright of some sort it is highly unlikely that the image of him will be removed. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 01:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, FWIW, the IP is presumably referring to the main page, where Pell's picture is currently present under "In the News" due to his recent acquittal. Moaz786 (talk to me or see what I've been doing) 02:01, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Moaz786, I saw that; perhaps I should redirect the IP editor to the Talk:Main Page then? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 02:23, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, perhaps we should refer the IP to WP:BLPREMOVE which I am tempted to invoke for his posts to this thread. Elizium23 (talk) 11:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Elizium23, the last time this IP made meaningful edits was in 2016 and so far hasn't made any further changes in regards to the subject. If anyone can close this I think we can lay the matter to rest. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 14:57, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: The poster is unlikely to be the same person that posted using that IP in 2016, but I'm not sure why that would matter. Last I remember, consensus here was against implementing the type of "closing" used elsewhere (e.g., admin noticeboards). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: I'm aware that the person using that IP is most likely not the one from a few years back. In any case, it doesn't seem like they've done anything else since yesterday besides post here. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:34, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

You might find him disgusting, but he is in the news. It will pass. Then people will spend much time and aggro fighting over neutrality and due weight in his bio. Probably we've also had recent pictures for Weinstein and the-other-guy-whose-name-escapes-me (and they haven't had their convictions overturned). We're not celebrating the verdict, just reporting it. You could set your sights on Sky News, I heard they've been giving him a sympathathetic airing recently. And this thread will soon be archived and forgotten. But thanks for stopping by to let us know how you feel. Pelagic (talk) 15:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Edit requesting?

FYI

 – Header made by Tenryuu.

Hello

So I have no clue what I am doing, but I will let you know so I raise awareness for mental health, I suffer really bad from it, my dad passed away so I started going around the UK with my fluffy friend charlie, I have had media coverage, as well as going on BBC radio tomorrow to talk about my journey, I find the layout difficult to understand myself, but everything I do is for the best interest of others, as I dont want others to suffer in silence alone. sorry for going on, how can I get someone to do the wikipedia for me ?, if that is possible I have all the sources, links etc

Thanks sulfurboy for your help mate Neverloseyoursparkle2 (talk) 02:10, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Neverloseyoursparkle2: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you're looking to contribute to Wikipedia but are put off by the layout, you can go to an article's talk page (clicking "talk" at the top when you're reading an article) and submit an edit request (WP:EDITREQ goes through the process). --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 02:27, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

I moved stuff around at User:Neverloseyoursparkle2/sandbox so closer to format, but that does not address the question of whether there is enough written to meet Wikipedia's concept of notability. David notMD (talk) 02:46, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

David notMD, I'll just comment to say that the subject of the article appears to be the user himself. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 05:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree. Will leave note on User's Talk page about difficulties with autobio. David notMD (talk) 11:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Need Your Recommendation about my article Notability

Dear Wiki Users, Happy Easter everyone! i have created 2 draft articles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lebanese_Yacht_Club https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Beirut_Yacht_Club Need your advise if the above articles can be processed to submission or it is preferable in submitting them in one article the below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Yacht_clubs_in_lebanon waiting for your kind assistance. -- Princesse Marissa (talk) 07:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Princesse Marissa: See last week's Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1055#Your Feedback is highly appreciated as i am still new on Wiki? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:25, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Dear (talk)AlanM1 (talk

thank you for your reply i saw last week feedback and it was well noted. my purpose is to write articles for each yacht club in Lebanon with deep rooted history, i have take a look at List of yacht clubs and i read the article of each yacht club (approved highlighted in blue) mentioned there...and i was thinking that if all these articles (yacht clubs for all the countries) are acceptable so maybe and my articles (2 yacht clubs) can be accepted too... i have added a lot of independent reference to the draft since last time https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Beirut_Yacht_Club any recommendation from your side? thank you in advance. Princesse Marissa (talk) 14:41, 13 April 2020 (UTC)Princesse Marissa

Thanking

How does this thanking thing work? How do they see it? NamelessLameless (talk) 08:40, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

NamelessLameless, I've just thanked you for this edit to show you. Essentially it sends a notification to the user that made the edit, and gets added to a log of thanks you have sent. It appears as a notification, in the same way as when a user is pinged or an edit reverted. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 08:51, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Alex Noble, it is not quite the same as the other alerts. The MediaWiki interface separates "notices" such as thanks from "alerts" such as user pings and reverts. A blue mailbox icon lights up when a "notice" such as a thanks comes in, as opposed to the red bell for alerts. I am not sure why it was made more complicated. Elizium23 (talk) 12:01, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

What does it mean when it asks you if you want to publicly send thanks? NamelessLameless (talk) 08:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

NamelessLameless It asks you if you want to do what Alex Noble described above. I think the "publicly" refers to the fact that all thanks are logged, and the log is viewable by anybody. --bonadea contributions talk 09:41, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes. The public log is Special:Log/thanks which shows the user and time. The thanked edit is private. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:47, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Life and hallucinations

Not an issue for Teahouse. Referred elsewhere

 – WP:Reference desk

Are any things that are undefinable in specific way can be defined? Meaning any thing which is not perceivable. Kpbastola44 (talk) 10:07, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kpbastola44: Hello. You posted your question at the Wikipedia Teahouse, which is a place for questions about editing Wikipedia. If you have questions about other things you could try asking at one of the Reference desks. --bonadea contributions talk 10:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Joe Mesmar

Please check the link and let me know should it got the permission of publish in Wikipedia or not? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Joe_Mesmar Thanks in advance. Surelyshubham (talk) 10:19, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Surelyshubham: You have correctly submitted it for review, so a volunteer reviewer will give you feedback at some point, and either move it to the encyclopedia, or let you know why it is not suitable for publishing yet. Thanks, --bonadea contributions talk 10:35, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

A review can happen as soon as days, but also as long as weeks, sometimes months. There are more than 2,000 drafts awaiting review. While waiting, you could work on improving the draft. Note the comment left on the draft page. David notMD (talk) 12:07, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Question on notability

In the field of quantum mechanics (Wikipedia reference), Erwin Schrödinger (Wikipedia reference) illustrated one of his concerns with an area of quantum mechanics with his now-famous thought experiment: Schrödinger's Cat. Taking his illustration but substituting a clock for the cat - where the clock randomly tells the right or wrong time - I invented Schrödinger's Clock(™) as an amusing way to illustrate the same principle. Two examples have been built, one of which is in Moyses Hall Museum in Bury St Edmunds (Wikipedia reference), and the other is for my own amusement. Applications for a patent are undergoing review, and the trade mark (Schrödinger's Clock) has already been registered as United States [Int.TM] Trade Mark Number: 5537676. Part of the novelty for the patent is that the Clock deliberately sets out to create the wrong time some of the time - no other clock does this because they all aim to tell the right time. Schrödinger's Clock deliberately tells the wrong time for a specific reason.

Another version is an app that uses the camera on the iPhone to illustrate the Observer effect (Wikipedia reference).

The web site www.schrodingers-clock.com provides more details.

The presentation of the Clock to Moyses Hall Museum was reported in the local paper, the Bury Free Press (part of the Yattendon Group, Wikipedia reference).

Given the unique nature of this item and my desire simply to bring its principles to a wider audience (i.e. there is no commercial opportunity here, obviously), would this be considered an appropriate topic to be included in Wikipedia? Antonyhurden (talk) 10:23, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Antonyhurden and welcome to the Teahouse. Bearing in mind my username, it seemed rather appropriate for me to answer your question! Unfortunately, this does not sound like a subject which Wikipedia would accept. There are many unique things in th world which do not meet our Notability criteria for inclusion. It sounds too promotional, and would require two or three 'in-depth' articles specifically written specifically about it in widely available sources to be considered. I was going to suggest it might theoretically be more appropriate to a very short one-line entry in notable exhibits in an article about Moyses Hall, but I don't think we even have a page about that place as yet. Sorry I can't be more encouraging. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:28, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Antonyhurden, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, whose task is summarising material which has been reliably published elsewhere. The story in the local paper might be enough to justify adding a mention to an existing article (eg Schrödinger's cat), but on its own probably does not provide enough notability for a stand-alone article (and your own website cannot contribute to its notability, because it is not independent of you). I suggest that you propose adding it on the talk page Talk:Schrödinger's cat, with a citation to the press report, and see what other editors think. --ColinFine (talk) 12:00, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi there - many thanks for your immediate reaction which I entirely understand and expected (if I'm honest). It's the sort of idea to amuse people in 'lock-down' but not an enduring addition to Wikipedia. Many thanks, Antony — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antonyhurden (talk • contribs) 14:18, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Can I create the same

I want to ask that recently my one of the partner create an article with myself on my talk page but that time I didn't do anything much and he was the created of the article. When it passes to afd it was totally COI article. I want to create the same article and my wish that I also make article on Wikipedia. I feel that I can make article better than my partner. I want to create the article on my sandbox and submit to AFC because this will be going to my first article. Can I make the same article with better quality of source? Can I do such? Kashish pall (talk) 10:49, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

The article has been created and deleted numerous times most recently at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandeep Maheshwari the topic is not notable and the title has been salted to prevent further creation, time to move onto another topic. Theroadislong (talk) 10:55, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

From the definition of 'Salted': "Pages that have been creation-protected are sometimes referred to as "salted". Contributors wishing to re-create a salted title with appropriate content should either contact an administrator (preferably the protecting administrator), file a request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection#Current requests for reduction in protection level, or use the deletion review process. To make a convincing case for re-creation, it is helpful to show a draft version of the intended article when filing a request." This means that it is the subject of a proposed article - not the person who had submitted the rejected draft - that is blocked until an administrator reviews and approves the new attempt to create the article. Lastly, autobiography is frowned upon (see WP:AUTO). David notMD (talk) 12:24, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

references to books

hi, i was going to add a source and image to the parasitemia page, but my source is a book, and i'm wondering about a few things. 1) the book isn't specific to parasitemia. it's a clinical diagnosis book (a colour atlas and text of clinical medicine by C.D Forbes and W.F Jackson, 1993) and so do i have to mention the specific page number where it covers it, or is the book itself fine. 2) the picture is low quality due to the book being a bit old, and i don't want to go ahead and add it if higher quality pictures can be used. sorry if this is a waste of question, this is my first edit + i'm not too sure on a few things. thank you. 81.153.253.64 (talk) 13:26, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you for wanting to help improve Wikipedia. There are two separate issues here. On the subject of a source: yes, if a book was published by a reputable publisher (not, e.g. a vanity press) you may certainly cite it in an article. The citation should include the usual bibliographic information (author, title, publisher, date, etc) and should certainly include the page number. See Template:cite book for a standard (though not compulsory) way to cite it.

The image is a different question. Uploading it to Wikipedia or Commons is almost certainly an infringement of copyright, except in two situations. One is if there is a specific reason to believe that the image is free of copyright, for example if there is a statement in the book that the image has been released under a copyleft licence compatible with Wikimedia Commons' policies: principally CC-BY-SA; the other is if you are able to show that all the criteria in the non-free content criteria apply: the sticking point is likely to be contextual significance: "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding". --ColinFine (talk) 13:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

is it OK to remove catalogue hyperlinks in references

in past i removed some universities hyperlinks which clearly states price, for ex oup. however, i need suggestion about whether to remove if hyperlink given is a catalogue. for ex https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/1133049. the reference contains hyperlink, isbn, oclc. Leela52452 (talk) 14:29, 13 April 2020 (UTC) any other suggestion or critique is preferred here

Good question, Leela52452. If our citation already has sufficient bibliographic information, does the link add any extra value? Maybe if it leads (even indirectly) to an online copy. I guess it demonstrates that the book does exist and allows confirming the metadata if not the contents.

There used to be some magic applied to ISBNs; the {{cite book}} template still has an isbn= parameter that links to Special:Booksources like this one for ISBN 0195537688. Thats a search rather than a link to a specific record, though.

Pelagic (talk) 21:15, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Publish my page

 Courtesy link: User:Christine Kato/sandbox

How can page be published? i have edited my photos please help. Christine Kato (talk) 14:43, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Christine Kato: Welcome to the Teahouse. I will assume you are familiar with our guidelines on submitting your own pictures. Drafts can be submitted by using the {{subst:AFC draft}} template and clicking on the Submit your draft for review! button. However, it seems like you're attempting to write an article about yourself, which is extremely discouraged, as per WP:AUTOBIO. As a solution, consult the very bottom of that policy:

The proper way to get your own writing about yourself into Wikipedia if you really think that you can meet the inclusion criteria and are willing to accept having a neutral, non-promotional article, is to make a proposal at Articles for creation containing the text you want, instead of just putting it into the encyclopedia directly, and seek the consensus of the community through discussion. Not only does this provide independent viewpoints on it that can allow you to discover biases you were not aware of having, it also helps provide an indication of good faith and that you are willing to put the interests of Wikipedia first instead of standing in a conflict of interest.

--Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

iam read to have Christine Kato Page reviewed and published. Can someone look into this please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christine Kato (talk • contribs) 15:35, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

FYI

 – The following was merged from its own section. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:41, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

I am ready to publish Christine Kato WIKIPEDIA PAGE HELP

I am ready to publish Christine Kato WIKIPEDIA PAGE HELP. Can someone review and have my page published.

Thanks Christine Kato (talk) 15:33, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Christine Kato, please don't make a separate section for the same topic. Did you take the time to read what I posted earlier? --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:41, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Update: Page in question has been deleted under WP:G11 and Christine Kato has been blocked. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:40, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Edits needed in the 'Economic and social changes' section in a Puerto Rico history article.

While reading the subject article, I found numerous typos in the subject section. I do not have access to the book cited as reference material for this section. Can the original contributor be contacted so that the corrections can be implemented? The source cited is the following: 52.Ayala, Bernabe, Cesar, Rafael (2007). Puerto Rico in the American Century A History since 1898. U.S.A: The University of North Carolina Press. p. 42. 24.163.50.66 (talk) 15:03, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

It is technically possible to track down the editor who put the information in, and leave a message at their talk page; the editor may or may not be active currently. But, might I recommend leaving a note at the talk page of the article or even WP:WikiProject United States explaining the issue that other editors who happen to be active and have access to the source may become aware of it? Alternatively, you can request at WP:RX that the source page be made available to you, so you can check it yourself and make necessary corrections. Be sure to ask for the page only, so copyright doesn't prevent sharing of the document with you. This would of course require you to provide an email address where the page may be sent.

You would not need a source to simply fix the typos though. Also, you could amend the content based on sources that you do have access to, changing the citation to the source that you used to make them. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 09:58, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Can i get a review for the page I've edited?

I've just edited my first page and I don't really know if it was helpful or not and I plan to edit the rest of the page so can I? if yes, what direction should i go? wp:Reviewing pending changes - wp:New pages patrol/Reviewers or wp:Autopatrolled.

Thanks in advance – Erfan Talk☻ 15:04, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Et0zl, thanks for taking the time to edit that page, which was a little too casual in tone. However, please make sure that sentences are grammatically correct after you've gone through them. I'll take a look. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu thanks for your reply, and since English isn't my primary language and I'm still learning I'll try my best, so to speak does that make me unhelpful? (by the way, someone edited the page fixed some of my mistakes) thank you again – Erfan Talk☻ 15:27, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Et0zl: You made some good changes. Editing is a process that is being continuously learned. It's a collaborative effort on here, so you can learn from others by seeing how they edit, take the good points, and incorporate it into your own writing. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 15:39, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Requesting edit on Draft:Voxa

Hello All,

I've been trying to get a page published for the company Voxa and have been struggling with issues over tone. So far I have made a lot of changes, but both times that that the page has been reviewed it has been deemed as having a non-encyclopedic tone. I have made more edits based on the recent denial for publication, and I was wondering if someone could take a lot at the page and give me advice on how to fix the tone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Voxa. I would like to have someone more familiar with Wikipedia tone read over it before I try and publish it again. Any help would be awesome. Sachin Zachariah (talk) 16:50, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Sachin Zachariah. The tone looks all right now, but I have problems with the sourcing. I haven't looked at all your source, but I have yet to find a single one which is 1) reliably published (eg, not Twitter), 2) independent of the company (i.e. not the company's own publications or based on interviews with the company's people), and 3) more than just a passing mention. Without at least two or three sources which are wholly independent of Voxa, and contain substantial material about it, the draft does not establish that the company is notable. Please see common sourcing mistakes. --ColinFine (talk) 18:26, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I will do more research and look for more independent sources and get back to editing. Sachin Zachariah (talk) 18:32, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine I went through and found more citations that are from independent sources or academic papers, and was wondering if you could take another look at it and see if it is up to scratch. Sachin Zachariah (talk) 19:28, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Sachin Zachariah When you say that you are "trying to get a page published for the company", are you an employee or representative? If so, you will need to read and formally comply with the conflict of interest and paid editing policies(the latter is a Terms of Use requirement). 331dot (talk) 18:40, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

I am not an employee or representative of the company. I clarified this on one of the reviewer's talk page Sachin Zachariah (talk) 18:44, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Sachin Zachariah. You have added citations to two different editions of the same paper, where one of the authors has an email address at Voxa, and Voxa is mentioned, precisely once, in a footnote (and in one of the editions only). This is neither independent nor significant coverage, and so adds precisely 0.00000 to the notability. Furthermore, citing two different editions of the same paper looks very like an attempt to pull the wool over my eyes. Please read WP:CSMN again and stop wasting my time. --ColinFine (talk) 22:22, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Mobile view cite error displaying short lead

When I bring up the article Marquess on my mobile (Kindle), following the one-para lead there is an error message: "Cite error: There are <ref group=lower-alpha> tags...but the the references will not show without a {{reflist|group=lower-alpha}} template or {{notelist}} template..." The full article has both a reflist & notelist template in the usual position and displays without error. NB I got to the page via a redirect from "marquis" if that makes a difference.

I have no idea how to fix this—I don't know how to edit the mobile-view lead at all—but I would like to learn. Can you help? D Anthony Patriarche, BSc (talk) 17:32, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

D A Patriarche, if you're still encountering this problem, I suggest bringing it to the attention of the people over at WP:VPT, who deal with the more technical aspects of Wikipedia. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:28, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Creating a wikipedia page.

Hello, I have created a new wikipedia page this week and have followed the guidelines as best I can. Can anyone tell me how long new pages take to get accepted or rejected? I am just keen to know before I have a go at doing another one. Many Thanks Pegs50 (talk) 17:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Pegs50, welcome to the Teahouse. You have not submitted your content for review, and I have moved it to Draft:Luke Swann for you. You can submit it for review by using the {{subst:AFC draft}} template then clicking on the Submit your draft for review! button that it creates. I will tell you that it will be declined in the state it is in right now, so I'd take a look at some currently existing articles and see how they're laid out in sectioning and style. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:12, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, that's great, thank you for your help. When you say sectioning and style could you possibly give me some context on that? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pegs50 (talk • contribs) 18:17, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Pegs50, Sectioning refers to the sections of the article (e.g., Early life, references, etc.) that content goes under after your lead section. In terms of style Wikipedia articles use many conventions, such as emboldening the subject's name when mentioned for the first time, and only using wikilinks in the body's text. Please see Help:Referencing for beginners for appropriate methods of referencing.

(Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:40, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Pega50, and welcome to the Teahouse. Far more serious than the layout, I'm afraid, is the sourcing. A Wikipedia article (especially one about a living person) should be almost entirely based on sources independent of the subject. Not one of your current sources is independent of Swann: two of them are from his club, one from his college, and the last one features a very short biography which is likely to come from him. What we need is places where people who have no connection with Swann, and unprompted by him, have written at some length about him, and been published in reliable places such as major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers. Please see NSPORTS and citing sources. One point of layout I will mention: please use wikilinks for links to other Wikipedia articles, not URLs. --ColinFine (talk) 18:40, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Notifying Pegs50 to read this paragraph as it did not go through via ColinFine's ping. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:56, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

need help with this draft.

need help with a draft, and need tips on it, please help link below

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ali_%22SypherPK%22_Hassan AsmrSasquatch (talk) 18:37, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, AsmrSasquatch. Please look at the answer I gave to the question immediately above this (except that NSPORTS is not relevant: look at notability instead). Remember that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with them have published about them. --ColinFine (talk) 18:43, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

AsmrSasquatch, have you read the reviewer's comments of needing more independent, reliable sources? None of those would be considered reliable; Famousbirthsdeaths.com has been deemed unreliable in a discussion last year. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:43, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Translation

hi! I want to translate this article to English, how can I get in to the translate assistant??

https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Pony_Pisador — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petyrocell (talk • contribs) 18:57, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey, welcome to Wikipedia! You can activate the Translation tool here. However, please note that the tool is current restricted to use by extended confirmed users (users with 500 edits and whom's account is at least 30 days old). However, you can still manually translate an article. You can do so by creating an article via the Article Wizard. Then, when creating the article, set the edit summary to Content in this edit is translated from the existing Catalan Wikipedia article at [[:ca:El Pony Pisador]]; see its history for attribution.. Don't forget to submit the article after saving it by clicking the big blue "Submit" button after you saved the article. --MrClog (talk) 19:15, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Minerva Academy Football and Cricket Club

My article is rejected again & again, I want to know where and what is the issue. Draft:Minerva Academy Football and Cricket Club Sisanchobraut (talk) 19:16, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey, welcome to Wikipedia! It is important that all content on Wikipedia is supported by reliable sources. It seems like the reviewer, KylieTastic, believes there are not enough reliable sources cited in the article (which I agree with). Please make sure that everything in the article can be verified through the cited sources. You have made a great start and I'm sure it will be accepted once you've cited some extra reliable sources. Best, MrClog (talk) 19:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

FYI

 – Merging this to the previous section. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:32, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

where you guys think you need more references? Draft:Minerva Academy Football and Cricket Club Sisanchobraut (talk) 19:24, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Sisanchobraut: The rest of the article. None of the prose has been sourced. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:32, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

How to create sub userpage

I have seen lot of wikipedia user have sub page like User:KylieTastic/Statusnotice , How can i create subpage like this zebuready/something, User:zebuready/Demo? Zebuready (talk) 19:41, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Zebuready: Welcome to Wikipedia. Just click on the red link and you can create the page. RudolfRed (talk) 19:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: I have already figure this out. Anyway thank for your support. :) Zebuready (talk) 19:47, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Coronavirus/Covid-19 question

I have no idea how new Categories are created, but unfortunately I think the time has come to create "People who died of Covid-19." Do you agree? DaringDonna (talk) 19:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) DaringDonna, welcome to the Teahouse. This has been covered extensively at List of deaths due to coronavirus disease 2019. The current category is Category:Deaths from the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Never mind. I just found those categories are up and running. I just havent seen it used yet on people's articles who have sadly died. Now that I know this category exists, I can add it. Stay well and safe. DaringDonna (talk) 19:49, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Regarding draft

Moved from WT:TEA

You are requested to kindly have a look on my draft:Saqib Iqbal Shami suggestions are welcomed Maizbhandariya (talk) 20:12, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Maizbhandariya, this is the talk page for the Teahouse where we discuss how to run it. Your query is better suited to the main project page which I will be moving it to. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:17, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

References need workDavid notMD (talk) 21:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

I've fixed some errors in the first reference. The others also need work. I noticed that the source cited by the first reference gives a view of the subject rather different from the draft. Maproom (talk) 22:13, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

İ would like to help in your sites translation.

Hello my name is Arber Sokoli. İ'm currently an Albanian student studying in Media and Journalism Turkey. İ am 19 years old and i would like to be part of the Wikipedia community. İ recdntly just registered and even though my experience writing articles is limited i belive i can be very useful as a translator. İ am currently able to read,speak and write four languages English, İtalian, Turkish and my mother language Albanian. Currently i am also trying to study international law and as i have been researching different sources about law in Wikipedia i have found many pages missing and further more i have many mistakes in the Turkish and Albanian translations. İ would like to have the possibillity to translate and write these pages myself. İ do not expect any payment and i dk not want any. İ just wish to be able to fix these mistakes. Could you please give me the authority to do so?

Last edited 3 minutes ago by Aether Kayle Wikipedia Content is available under CC BY-SA 3.0 unless otherwise noted. Terms of UsePrivacyDesktop Aether Kayle (talk) 20:16, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Aether Kayle: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to make it better. You don't need permission to translate articles, you just need to provide attribution to where you are translating from. See WP:TRANSLATE and WP:TRANSLATEUS RudolfRed (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Aether Kayle: Please note the use of 'I' (U+0049; &#x49;) as the correct capital letter in English. Your text above uses the Turkish "dotted I" 'İ' (U+0130; &#x130;). Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:04, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

And we have pages needing translation, a huge backlog awaits you. Lectonar (talk) 10:19, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Misleading/propaganda content

Hello, when we encounter content which is clearly fallacious, how do we get it corrected? I attempted to add factual information and links to correct a clearly biased and incomplete “article” but I would like more input. Thanks. 2600:1700:DB1:5900:15E5:25B5:B40F:AB0B (talk) 21:18, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Which article? Link to it by having the name between double brackets [[ ]]. David notMD (talk) 21:23, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Phrase Undocumented immigrants

Is the false and incorrect phrase undocumented immigrants used to mislead the nation? If it isn't why aren't people who have been caught driving without a license called undocumented drivers? Undocumented immigrants phrase is used in Wikipedia's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals. The argument that illegal alien children should be rewarded for criminal conduct by their parents is promoting crime because it encourages illegal immigration as it is rewarded. The entire phrase undocumented immigrant is political term for a political agenda. It has no factual basis. Wikipedia is being drawn into the political arena by allowing inaccurate and false terms to be used to further political agendas. The absurdity of the term is shown as more and more people throughout the world are entering the United States illegally through Mexico. When politics ignores facts and changes words to conform to a political agenda the seeds of corruption are born. Joe53566 (talk) 21:58, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Joe53566, this decision, as all of Wikipedia's editorial decisions, are made by consensus between our volunteer editors (including you!), as guided by our policies and guidelines (which, in turn, are also decided on by consensus between volunteers). In the past, this decision has been discussed at Talk:Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals/Archive_2#"Illegal" vs. "undocumented" and Talk:Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals/Archive 1#illegal alien vs undocumented immigrant. If you believe circumstances have changed since then or you have something new to add to the conversation, you are welcome to bring the subject up again on Talk:Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals. Gaelan 💬✏️ 22:06, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Reporting users for BLP violations

If a user has violated the Biography of a Living Person policy, and continues to do so after a level 4 warning, what is the next step? Is it the same process as for vandalism, i.e. reporting to AIV? I'm basically not sure if it counts as vandalism for this purpose. Thanks! - QuadColour (talk) 22:30, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

BLPN is the place, QuadColour. --ColinFine (talk) 23:00, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Cheers! - QuadColour (talk) 23:03, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Question of Terms & Services

How much does wikipedia get for selling my email address to 3rd parties? The junk blasts are pretty insane.

Itslinds (talk) 22:43, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Itslinds. I don't believe the Wikimedia Foundation or anyone else connected with this project has ever released anyone's email addresses to any unconnected third party. Might you have used the same email address you've used here on other unrelated and less responsible platforms, and that's where you're getting junk mail from? The only 'advertising' you might see from within Wikipedia would be banner notices about WMF-related events, and you have an option to turn these off. (You only created your account here on 10 April 2020 at 14:52 UTC, so can you describe the type of junk mail you've received, and why you think it is a result of the Wikimedia Foundation's actions?) Regards Nick Moyes (talk) 23:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Itslinds: In support of my response above, please refer to the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use and especially its Privacy Policy It is abundantly clear that no sharing of email addresses for 3rd party marketing takes places whatsoever. It states:

"We are committed to:

• Describing how your information may be used or shared in this Privacy Policy.
• Using reasonable measures to keep your information secure.
• Never selling your information or sharing it with third parties for marketing purposes.
• Only sharing your information in limited circumstances, such as to improve the Wikimedia Sites, to comply with the law, or to protect you and others.
• Retaining your data for the shortest possible time that is consistent with maintaining, understanding, and improving the Wikimedia Sites, and our obligations under law."

I hope you find this reassures you that any release of your email address was not through any Wikimedia Project (like English Wikipedia), and that no user is even obliged to reveal any email address in order to be able to contribute here. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:52, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

@Itslinds: I cannot recall ever having received unsolicited email at the email account I registered solely for use with Wikipedia since doing so over 12 years ago. Be aware that, if someone sends you an email from the Wikipedia "Email this user" link, and you reply directly to that email in your email client, you will reveal your email address to the recipient. To avoid that, send the reply from Wikipedia instead (with the "Email this user" link on their user page). That's the only way I know that your email address would be revealed (and it's unlikely in this case). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:16, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Infobox help request

 Courtesy link: Draft:Lodi Canning Company

Hello! I need help with an infobox for a local canning plant. It seems as if I put in all the parameters correctly, but the area of the factory and its address are written as plain text, apart from the infobox. I'm not sure what do do or what may have caused it, it'd be great if someone could help!

Attached are images of the plain text spat onto the page, the infobox which lacks aforementioned text, and the text editor respectively.

Thank you!! Zagraa (talk) 00:03, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Zagraa, taking a look at your source code, you added closing braces after the "employees" parameter, which is probably what prematurely closed your infobox. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:07, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

​The same thing is happening after "area" as well with extra closing braces that would end the infobox before "address". Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:11, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Help!

I need help! Someone answered my question, and I have no idea of where they went. I clicked on the response in my inbox, and nothing happened. Help, please. Shadowblade08 (talk) 00:13, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Shadowblade08, if you asked this question a few days ago, it's probably already been archived. Archives are found underneath the table of contents on the right hand side of this page. You should have received a message from a bot on your talk page that informed you of your question being archived.

It's most likely somewhere in Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1055. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:16, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Shadowblade08: You asked quite a lot of different questions from the 31st March onwards. You'd be better off going to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1054#Thanks_for_inviting_me! and working down from there. (I found 22 mentions of your username in Archive 1054). One quick way to find past questions (we're so active here that finished threads get archived after about 3 days) is to search for your own username in the 'search archives' box right below the rather long 'table of contents'. But if you've been extremely active on a forum, an even niftier way is to search through your own past contributions for the word 'Teahouse' and, viewing 500 edits at a time, look at all the topic headers you contributed to. When you find the one that interests you, copy the question header and paste that into the 'search archive' box. Hope you find what you're looking for. (PS I noted your question about the unusual barnstar that magically appeared on your talk page. I have added that single-edit user to my watchlist lest they edit again. I suspect an existing user might have tried to create a second 'test' account to edit from, which is not permitted.) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:45, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

How do I view a list of wiki pages with a certain template? E.g. "Confusing" pages

I want to be able to find a list of pages using the Confusing template. I think fixing these pages is one of the more productive things I personally can do on Wikipedia. How can I find a list of which pages have this template currently? Ikjbagl (talk) 02:42, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ikjbagl. You can click "What links here" under "Tools" in the left pane of Template:Confusing to see Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Confusing. The search hastemplate:Confusing can be combined with other search terms so it may be more useful. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:00, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you PrimeHunter. Wow, that's a lot- is there a quick button to press to see how many pages link to that template? It clearly seems like thousands, more than I expected. Ikjbagl (talk) 03:04, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ikjbagl: The search says "Results 1 – 20 of 2,211" at the top right. Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Confusing has a "Transclusion count" link (currently fails for me). The template adds Category:All Wikipedia articles needing clarification which has 4959 pages but this includes pages with other templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:12, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Music Notability

Hello! I am addressing Draft:Droeloe, an article that I wrote. It was taken down today because the topic was deemed "not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia", and I would like to discuss the notability that I have found after reviewing Wikipedia:Notability (music). JessFranborough (talk) 03:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

JessFranborough, that draft cites 92 references. No sane reviewer is going to check all of them. The first few do nothing to establish that the subject is notable. If you believe that there are sources that establish notability, please list three or four such sources here. Maproom (talk) 07:33, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

References 15-78, which all confirm that songs exist, contribute nothing to the requirement of establishing notability. Per Maproom's request, can you list here at least three of the 'references' that are at-length content about Droeloe. P.S. I deleted the list of events (and those references), because that does not contribute to notability. David notMD (talk) 10:31, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Maproom and David notMD! My apologies, for Droeloe’s discography I cited the songs and added links because I saw other musicians do this on their pages and thought it may be a good idea. I can delete all of those links. I had forgotten to put in this article that Droeloe’s song "Jump" was featured in an Apple Inc. advertisement. This means that Droeloe fulfills criteria number 10 on the list of Criteria for musicians and ensembles on Wikipedia:Notability (music). I just updated the Droeloe article with the Apple Inc. ad information. Here are links to the advertisement information if you would like to see here:

• https://www.applemusic.info/
• https://www.youredm.com/2017/08/16/apple-features-one-edms-best-upcoming-duos-new-commercial-watch/
• https://www.facebook.com/apple/videos/1504957402897137/

In addition per your request, here are some references that are notable about Droeloe:

• https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/dance/8495947/droeloe-mask-infomercial-only-be-me
• https://earmilk.com/2017/08/25/droeloe-wow-with-emotionally-complex-debut-ep-a-moment-in-time/
• https://edm.com/music-releases/droeloe-looking-back

JessFranborough (talk) 03:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

JessFranborough, you've listed six sources. I've reformatted them, to make them easier to identify.

The first three don't discuss the subject at all, and the third is from Facebook, which is not a reliable source. The fourth is based on an interview, and so not independent of the subject. The fifth and sixth do appear to me to contribute to establishing that the subject is notable. If you can find a couple more sources like the last two, and get rid of all the others, you should be able to get the draft accepted. Maproom (talk) 10:50, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Consensus building

I want to add Alexa rank to Template:Infobox newspaper for which I have to build consensus first. How can I do that? Explanation, why I want to add rank: As more and more newspapers are going online, simply acting as a website (online publication), it will be helpful if we add rank similar to Template:Infobox website. Any help in this regard will be helpful. Störm (talk) 09:13, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Störm, you propose it at Template talk:Infobox newspaper, clearly laying out why you think the change betters the encyclopedia. If you don't get a reply within seven days, you can make an edit request there, pointing to your proposal and WP:SILENCE, and see where it goes from there. It will either be accepted and you wait for someone to revert and discuss it with them; or it will be declined and you discuss it with the declining editor possibly leading to a more well-advertised official discussion such as WP:RFC. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:10, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Muhammadu Buhari

Resolved

 – Former removed sentence on page re-added without trouble after sentence was revised to only include what was in the cited source(s). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:19, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello.

I was just wondering if I could get some advice concerning the president of Nigeria's page. A while ago, I added a cited reference to his chieftaincy titles to the section on "Honours". By the time that I came back, it had been removed. I assumed that it was due to the edit warring that had been going on in my absence (my president is a popular guy 😂), so I restored it and pointed out that it was cited in the edit summary.

By the time that I found my way back today, I found that the entire "Honours" section was gone - cited contribution and all.

Now ordinarily, I'd just restore it - because as far as I could tell, nobody had called its verifiability into question - but there has been quite a bit of tomfoolery going on on that page more widely, and I'd just like some advice from above on how to proceed.

Thanks in advance.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 09:33, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@O.ominirabluejack: Hi your edit was reverted because it was unsourced. I would advise adding some reliable sources if you choose to add the honours section to the article in question. I am not an expert on these things but that is my advice if someone more senior or more experienced on these things would like to correct me please do. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 09:46, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, @REDMAN 2019:...

Thank you for responding. I really appreciate it.

The subsection that I was referring to - about his other honours - was referenced. I made certain to include a link to a local news source that would corroborate my contribution.

I admit to not knowing whether or not the rest of the "Honours" section was properly sourced. I just came and grafted my information into the pre-existing section where it seemed to belong.

If everybody is alright with it, I think that I'll just add my bit - with the appropriate citation - to the most recent revision. I'll leave the other honours to people that are more knowledgeable about the president's complete list of honours.

What do you say?

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 10:04, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Good idea. However that's not to discourage you from finding a reliable source for the other awards. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 10:08, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

You added the statement "These are only two of the numerous titles that the president holds ...", and followed it with a reference to a source that makes no mention of those numerous other titles. If you add a statement and follow it by a reference that does not confirm it, both statement and reference are likely to be removed. Maproom (talk) 10:27, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@O.ominirabluejack: To get better input from editors interested in and familiar with the subject, and to keep it grouped with the subject for future reference, discussion should be at the article's talkpage (Talk:Muhammadu Buhari). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 12:58, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks you, @REDMAN 2019:. I'll give it a look.

Very well, @AlanM1:... I will do so in the future.

Forgive me, @Maproom:... Clearly I fail to understand the notion of basic verifiability. That having been said, I would have thought that deleting everything provided would lead whomever does so to delete - presumably inadvertently - that which clearly has already been substantiated. After all, those titles were clearly referenced in the offending article provided.

At any rate, thanks to everyone for their help.

O.ominirabluejack (talk) 13:25, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

WANTED TO CREATE WIKIPEDIA

HELLO , wanted to create wikipedia for my company IMEX Shipping & Logistics LLC , please help . 86.98.54.211 (talk) 09:48, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Please take the time to read WP:COI, WP:PAID and WP:NORG. Short summary: If you try to create a WP-article, it will probably be deleted. However, if you want to try anyway, proceed to WP:YFA. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:02, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Just to expand on the above reply: unless your company meets our notability criteria for companies, you will not be successful. So, of the essential three links you have just been given to read and act upon in order to proceed, first read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). If you cannot, hand on heart, demonstrate sufficient independent sources have written in depth and in detail about your company, you would be wasting your time - and ours. I did a quick Google search and found nothing that looks suitable for this encyclopaedia. You must ignore insider trade magazines, press releases and blogs, and look to books, newspapers and journals to find at least three sound, reliable sources which help meet those criteria. If you cannot, just forget it, and promote your company elsewhere, please. If you still think you stand a chance, you MUST declare your paid connection to the company on your userpage before trying to do anything further. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)  

You have omitted Henderson and Indian.

2600:1702:2FD0:8280:A104:C7F0:DA13:770D (talk) 11:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. We have six million articles. Please be more specific and link to any pages you refer to. I guess it has something to do with Henderson Motorcycle and Indian Motocycle Manufacturing Company. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:22, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

List of motorcycle manufacturers includes Indian as current manufacturer and both Henderson and Indian as past manufacturers in the United States section. David notMD (talk) 13:42, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hyperlink / Reference / Footnote

Can we put the same matter under hyperlink and as a reference/footnote also? Please clarify. -- Mkjoshidcpl (talk) 12:24, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Mkjoshidcpl, and welcome to the Teahouse. I am assuming you are asking about Draft:Vidyanidhi Dalmia? Please always name or better link the specific article in such questions. To create a successful draft, you should look into guides like WP:Your first article, or specific guidelines such as WP:GNG (what is a notable topic?), WP:RS (reliable sources for Wikipedia) and WP:REFB ("how to" format references). Very briefly summarized, you should generally not use raw external links, but put each reference directly behind the content it verifies, in a format like this: Content here.<ref>Reference details (author, title, name of publication, etc.) and link if available</ref> Hope this helps a bit, but please feel free to ask here again for more specific details. GermanJoe (talk) 14:26, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Freedom Mobile page

I was just looking at the Freedom Mobile Wiki, and it seems that the writer(s) of the description do not like Freedom Mobile at all! They describe it as the worst provider, and say that they are 'thieving' money from Canadians. I don't think this is honest or professional. Freedom Mobile is probably the smallest provider, and might not be the best, but it has many satisfied customers who are getting the deal that they wanted. 76.69.114.23 (talk) 13:27, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for drawing our attention to that piece of vandalism, which was done yesterday, and has just been removed. --ColinFine (talk) 13:32, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Gordon Ramsey request

Can someone please edit Gordon Ramsey’s page to list Masterchef Australia 2020, April 13th to present? Thanks CDart950 (talk) 13:39, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

CDart950, the page is semi-protected, so you should be able to do it yourself. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:07, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't think CDart950 has yet make enough edits to be autoconfirmed, Tenryuu. In the meantime, you can request additions or changes to a semi-protected article by following the instructions at Wikipedia:Protection policy#semi, CDart950. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:23, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Cordless Larry, my apologies; I'd forgotten that semi-protected pages were editable only by autoconfirmed users and above. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:24, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Improving Images on on Article

Hi, WikiNOOB here!

I'm currently going through public domain/CC0 images from the Smithsonian and seeing if they are useful in Wikipedia articles. I've come across the article for Gladys Bentley, which has a single image. I have found a better image that is basically the same, but has far higher quality here: https://www.si.edu/object/gladys-bentley-americas-greatest-sepia-player-brown-bomber-sophisticated-songs:nmaahc_2011.57.25.1 Would replacing the current image be considered an improvement? RevoltoftheBeavers (talk) 13:51, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

That looks to me to be a better version of the same photo. I suggest that instead of uploading it as a new image to Commons, you use it to replace the high-contrast version there, and give the source in place of the current "Source en.wikipedia (Unknown)". Maproom (talk) 14:20, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello again! In the File History section of the Commons image, I see a message that says "You cannot overwrite this file." Is my account not old enough/experienced enough? How should I proceed? RevoltoftheBeavers

Hi, RevoltoftheBeavers. In the File history section, for me it says "Upload a newer version of this file". So it might very well be an issue with account-status. If you don't get an answer here from somebody more knowledgeable about Commons (sorry, I'm inexperienced there), you could try at c:Commons:Help desk. I did a search of their Helpdesk archive, but the only hits I got, saying that you need autoconfirmed, were a little old. Pelagic (talk) 21:52, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@RevoltoftheBeavers and Maproom: The file's used on a lot of pages, would a cropped or non-cropped version work for all cases? I'm guessing most will be infoboxes or similar. Pelagic (talk) 21:57, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination

Greetings Editors If a page is recommended to Speedy Deletion can we move it into Draft so that we can improve or make necessary changes.Thoufiq313 (talk) 14:13, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Thoufiq313, yes. WP:DRAFTIFYing is done quite often for articles that have some potential, but aren't at our standard yet. However, do not draftify junk from the draftify policy applies - it should be used for poor quality articles with potential, not just to delay deletion. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 15:18, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

One more question about submit

 Courtesy link: User:Kashish pall/sandbox

One more thing I want to ask actually I made article on my sandbox but I am creating from mobile so I don't get any button for submission. Can you help me regarding this? Kashish pall (talk) 16:54, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kashish pall: The template for submitting a draft, {{subst:AFC draft}}, is not on the page. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:23, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kashish pall: In other words, you need to add the code {{subst:AFC draft}} to the top of the page and then click the submit button. No comment on whether it is acceptable as an article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:24, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Matthew Devereux

FYI

 – Heading created by Tenryuu.

 Courtesy link: User:Hibaesque/sandbox

Hello,

I wrote an article that was rejected in relation to the singer "Matthew Devereux". I was wondering where you would suggest I should change/alter some information on my page or could you help me with understanding how to cite a page better? Most of my information was taken from a podcast in relation to his life. His band has a verified page called "The Pale Band" and I thought it would be suitable to make one for the artist himself.

I am new to Wikipedia and welcome suggestions or edits offered by you and your team.

Thank you for your time,

Hibaesque Hibaesque (talk) 17:12, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Hibaesque: Welcome to the Teahouse. It appears the reviewer has deemed your subject unqualified for their own Wikipedia article due to the references used. I suggest going through our music notability guidelines before contacting Sulfurboy to make your case and/or ask for assistance in making it acceptable. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:23, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

How can I help?

So, I’ve been clicking “random article” and fixing spelling and grammar errors. What I want to know is, are there any other ways to find articles that need work? (I’ve found that Wikipedia articles aren’t in as good of shape as I thought, and I want to help a little.) Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) 17:27, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Total Eclipse 2017: Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to help. Check out WP:TYPO for hints and tips on how to find articles that need spelling, grammar, and other fixes. RudolfRed (talk) 17:39, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Will do. Thanks! @RudolfRed:

@Total Eclipse 2017: Shameless plug: you may be interested in joining the Guild of Copyeditors, where we keep an eye on articles with the {{copy edit}} tag and proofread requests sent in by editors. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:48, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I’ll check it out. @Tenryuu: Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) 17:54, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I just realized that copy editing is what I did to those two snail articles. I find it kind of fun, actually. I just go to random articles and fix their spelling and grammar. How do I join this copyedit group? @Tenryuu: Total Eclipse 2017 (talk)

@Total Eclipse 2017: You don't have to formally join; adding your name to the list of participants is a formality but if you want to make it known you can go here. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:10, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Total Eclipse 2017:, You might also look at Wikipedia:Community portal. Near the top you will find nine groups of articles that need improvement. Scroll farther down, and you will see a box, "Active Wiki Fixup Projects", that contains links to 22 projects that aim to improve articles in a number of ways.Eddie Blick (talk) 00:32, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Scientific paper on Covid 19 infection management strategy based on scientific research.

How can I publish an article on Covid 19 infection management in Wikipedia? Dr Mukundan M K (talk) 17:30, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Dr Mukundan M K: If you are trying to publish a paper that you wrote, then this is not the place for it. See WP:OR. Articles must be based on information in published reliable sources. If I misunderstood your intent, then go to WP:YFA for guidance on creating a draft article for review. RudolfRed (talk) 17:37, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Dr Mukundan M K: Note, though, that we already have a significant amount of content on the subject. Check out WP:WikiProject COVID-19 for more about our coverage. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:33, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I am not getting what references to give

hey, I have just edited a page called bhuvan bam, I added a table of his songs on YouTube but it is removed. One editor named Aguy777 removed it saying that I didn't provide a reliable source. I an not getting what source to give. I tried giving the youtube channel link but he still removed it. KingeVishesh (talk) 17:33, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

KingeVishesh, welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia asks for independent, reliable sources for subjects to meet its general notability guidelines. While the Youtube channel link can be considered a decent primary source, Wikipedia is more concerned about secondary sources that have reported on the subject. For more information see WP:RS. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:51, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Inconsistencies between pages

Hello, I would like to ask a couple of questions:

• Why can I do visual editing in the articles, but not on pages like this one and my own discussion page? I find the visual editing much easier to use.
• The Wikipedia page looks different in my country (NL) compared to the English version. The NL version has a search box (which is very useful), while the EN version doesn't. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoofdpagina (NL) vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page (EN)
• Another example is the references. NL editors seem to put these nice boxes around them, while it's plain in EN. https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schloss_Itter (NL) vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itter_Castle (EN)
• Last question. When you want to submit a new page in EN, it first goes through some kind of drafting process, but an NL page is up right away. I can understand why it needs to go through an approval process, but it makes me feel like the bar is set high right away. Rather than I can make an alright page (since I'm new) and more experienced user can polish it up.

Thank you for your time. Mikalagrand (talk) 17:38, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Mikalagrand, in short, all of the different language wikipedias are independent, and developed mostly in isolation from each over.

For the first question, it can only be used on talk pages by editing URLs, this isn't an oversight, but a deliberate decision - pinging Whatamidoing (WMF) who will have a much better answer to why this is.

2 and 3 are more stylistic changes which realistically came down to what the users preferred when the site was much newer.

For your last point about drafts, this only applies for users with less than 10 edits over 4 days - anyone over this can create pages themselves, the same as any other wiki. The details on why this became the case are at Wikipedia:Autoconfirmed article creation trial/Post-trial Research Report. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 17:55, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Mikalagrand, and welcome to English Wikipedia.

• • Sadly, the Visual Editor is not fully functional, and there are some limitations on what can be done with it. This is the responsibility of the Wikimedia Foundation.
  • Each language version of Wikipedia has a high degree of autonomy and visual features in one language may not appear in another language.
  • On English Wikipedia, in order to create a new article directly, an account must be autoconfirmed which means the account must be at least four days old and have made at least ten edits. This is a necessary deterrent to spam and inappropriate articles. We have multiple levels of quality control. I am not sure how you define "alright" but we want new articles to be in basic compliance with our policies and guidelines. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:58, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Mikalagrand, welcome to the English Wikipedia project.

• The visual editor is limited to certain spaces, like the articlespace, Its limitations (in English) can be found here. That is why I stick to learning source coding. :P
• I'm not sure why you aren't seeing a search box in the EN Wikipedia. Assuming you're using the same skin they should be in the same place.
• NL and EN are separate projects and are managed independently from one another. While we will cross-link to articles for translation purposes the standards that each project has do not necessarily apply to other languages.
• Again, different standards. We've had a lot of issues with bad articles being made and being improperly referenced; as such the drafting process was born. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:58, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

(ec)Hello and welcome, Mikalagrand!

• I don't know the why of it, Wikipedia:VisualEditor#Limitations doesn't say, just that it is so. "Current known limitations" hints that perhaps this will change.
• As it appears to me, both pages have searchboxes in the same place.
• I don't know the reason, perhaps noone has suggested it. It doesn't look like an obvious improvement to me, but I'm used to "our" way.
• You can create articles directly when you have become WP:AUTO-confirmed, but such articles should fairly obviously fulfill WP:GNG, otherwise they'll disappear quickly. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:01, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Article Editing Issues

Seemingly resolved

 – Edit button appearing on mobile device without any intervention. WP:VPT suggested as a venue to ask technical questions. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:45, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi guys. I was trying to edit the filmography section on the Wikipedia article for the actor Joel McKinnon Miller (I intended to add a show he cameoed in - the link to the article is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_McKinnon_Miller), but when I clicked the edit button and brought up the editor view it only showed the table for his basic information (i.e: name, date of birth, spouse etc...) and the brief description of him below said table, but it didn't even show anything for the other drop-down articles (i.e: filmography, references etc...). I checked the visual editor and the source editor, and neither of them show anything of these other sections. There also wasn't an edit button next to the drop-down article for his filmography section as there usually is on other people's articles, so I was wondering what to do about that and if it could be fixed. Thank you for your time. 2A02:C7F:D847:7C00:3426:AB1C:F0AE:EFF7 (talk) 18:01, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, if you press on where the edit button is supposed to be on your mobile device, what happens? Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:12, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

It appears that it's fixed now - the edit button appears next to the filmography section. Thank you anyway. :)

Good to hear. If it happens again the folks over at WP:VPT might be able to answer your technically-inclined questions. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:45, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

So many FA reviews in 2006/2007?

I'm fairly new to WP editing. Looking at talk pages, I've been getting the sense that a lot of FA reviews occurred around 2006 or 2007, as opposed to being evenly distributed in the last, say, 15 years. Is my observation correct? And if so, I'm just curious why it is. Thanks! Ambrosia0 (talk) 18:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

"Active editors" (English Wikipedia editors with >100 edits per month)

The monthly statistics for FAC are here. As with all of Wikipedia, FAC was more active back then; there was a spike in editing between 2005-08 which rapidly dropped, and levelled off at its current level of around 3500 active editors (see the graph to the right). Plus, there was more low-hanging fruit back then, and the general standards were lower so it was easier for an article to pass. ‑ Iridescent 18:45, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the super fast response! Ambrosia0 (talk) 04:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Jambyl Region

Summary

 – KzShop blocked by Bonadea. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:42, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello everybody. I ran into the following problem. In this page Jambyl Region I saw a mistake (the name of the region is in Arabic script (in this region and country there is no Arabic language and Arabic script), therefore, I decided to fix it. I deleted the error, wrote the reason, but after a few minutes, my edit was canceled. I still didn’t understand the reason, I didn’t understand what the moderator who deleted my edit meant.

By the way, this error is on almost all articles about the regions and cities of Kazakhstan. I consider this a gross mistake, since in no region of this country is there an Arabic language or Arabic script.

Before that, I wrote about this on the talk page (check the talk page of that article). But there was no answer. However, how can I fix this error? I mean the error in the article. KzShop (talk) 18:44, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@KzShop: It seems you are editing under this account after being blocked as JackAtkinson22. If this is across all Kazakhstan regions and cities, then you should argue your case with evidence as to why it shouldn't be so, even if it isn't in use anymore; otherwise, status quo takes precedence. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:54, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu:I know this user, he created a post in reddit (in Kazakhstan subreddit), and there I found out about this error. Therefore, I want to fix it. My question was, how can I prove it? And where? On what page? On the talk page, or is there a special page for consensus?

@KzShop: You would discuss this issue over at Talk:Jambyl Region. I think an unregistered IP did the same thing already. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:37, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

The note on the talk page is just from today. You need to give time for responses. RudolfRed (talk) 18:55, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

FTR: KzShop has been blocked as a sockpuppet of a previously blocked user, JackAtkinson22. They had already been told how they should go about trying to get consensus in favour of their change, but they chose to edit war and attack other users, and now create more accounts to do the same thing, instead. --bonadea contributions talk 20:29, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft publication

FYI

 – Heading created by Tenryuu.

 Courtesy link: Draft:Morgan Brittany Osman

So I tried to publish a page called Draft:Morgan Brittany Osman. She is a US Reality TV star who featured on two notable TV shows on Oxygen & VHS. She has since left but has many brand deals & endorsements online, I think she should have a wiki page, as she is a notable person who has dontated clothes during this current situation (COVID:19). So please any help on writing a wiki page on a public person that doesn’t class as “unambiguous advertising”, i’m all ears, KylePippen1 (talk) 19:00, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@KylePippen1: The first thing you want to do (aside from layout) is provide good, reliable sources. See WP:REFBEGIN for more help. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:06, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

How to lock the page for further edit ?

Summary

 – ANAMIKA65I raised concerns about protecting page; investigation led to account being blocked and page being deleted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:45, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

How to lock the page for further edit ? to save it from mischievous people editing it or deleting it . only reliable source can edit .. how to do so ? ANAMIKA6SI (talk) 20:18, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

ANAMIKA6SI, please link to the page in question so that we have context. Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:19, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

ANAMIKA6SI, Wikipedia's philosophy is that "anyone can edit." Therefore, while we can and sometimes do "lock" (we call it "protecting") pages from editing by inexperienced editors, we don't do so unless we really need to. If the page isn't getting unusually large amounts of vandalism, it's usually enough to quickly undo the vandalism after it occurs. Gaelan 💬✏️ 20:26, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

How can I protect this Wikipedia page I wrote ?? Surabhi Prabhu . All the credentials are verifiable. Competitors hire PR to malicious ruin the page 202.134.174.127 (talk) 20:22, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

ANAMIKA6SI Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I assume this refers to Surabhi Prabhu. Articles are not protected("locked") in anticipation of vandalism or other inappropriate editing; there must be a demonstratable problem with vandalism in order to protect a page. You also cannot have a page protected to limit editing it to yourself; any editor can edit any article. Ordinary editors cannot delete a page; they can blank it, but that is easily reversed. 331dot (talk) 20:24, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I assume you also made the above IP comment; remember to log in before posting. 331dot (talk) 20:24, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

ANAMIKA6SI Since you are concerned with other PR firms, does that mean you work for Prabhu's PR firm? 331dot (talk) 20:26, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

no I'm not Pr, THIS MY FIRST contribution to Wikipedia, I'm learning . I will contribute more in future .

ANAMIKA6SI You referred to "competitors"- an odd term to use if you aren't in PR or otherwise working for the person you wrote about. 331dot (talk) 21:14, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

331dot, I parse their sentence as Competitors [of the subject of the article have] hire[d] PR [firms] to malicious[ly] ruin the page

ANAMIKA6SI, I wonder why you say this is your FIRST contribution to Wikipedia, when you had made 20 edits to five different articles before you came to Surabhi Prabhu, including an undiscussed (and subsequently reverted) move of another article. --ColinFine (talk) 21:27, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps a language issue conflating contribution = submission (as in submitting a new article versus 'just' improving existing ones)? I wish we could somehow get the message out there that there are better ways of contributing than creating new articles. [Please ping me in replies. I didn't think my comment warranted a ping to Colin, but apologies if I should have done so.] Pelagic (talk) 22:26, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

On the other hand, I see no vandalism there, so I wonder why ANAMIKA6SI would be expecting "competitors" to show up. Pelagic (talk) 22:26, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

talk please check BONADEA is vandalising all my contributions. he is saying I'm paid and reporting me . isn't it like bullying??? since I'm new , I'm trying to write and he is being aggressive. he says it looks like paid advertisement. please anyone can help me with this bully ??

(ec) To get the ping to work, ANAMIKA6SI, use [[User:username]] and sign with ~~~~. It needs to have the User: prefix rather than User talk: The mechanics of discussion here can be daunting, but you'll get used to it.  :) I'll address the maintenance templates when I can; I'm late in getting ready for work and must go. Pelagic (talk) 23:08, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

P.S. A bit off-topic, but you shan't steal pictures from Instagram and upload them to Commons as "own work". If you really did take the photo, then what is your relationship to the actress? (Bonadea has tagged the file for speedy deletion and provided a link to the Insta post.) Pelagic (talk) 22:35, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Note my paragraph here posted near simultaneously with the reply above, but I didn't get an edit-conflict message. Pelagic (talk) 22:45, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Pelagic: It looks like WMF turned off 2-column edit conflict on 6th April. I've also experienced problems losing work and not getting a conflict message. See this. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:55, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Nick, I did get a full-page EC just now, so might be unrelated. I'll be watchful for further weirdness, though. Pelagic (talk) 23:08, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, four "different" accounts are tag teaming to keep the current version of the article a poorly written promotional piece – and other accounts have created drafts and articles about the actor since 2015, all deleted as non-notable or pure spam. --bonadea contributions talk 23:09, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Oh, I only saw two users on a cursory glance, and was about to ask ANAMIKA6SI "what is your relationship to Maya82ster?" Thanks for looking into this, Bonadea. Pelagic (talk) 23:15, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

What are Administrators?

So, I tried to edit the Main Page, and when I tried, a message came up that said, “This page is protected so that only Administrators can edit it.” Why is it protected, and more importantly, what are Administrators? Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) 20:52, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Total Eclipse 2017 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The Main Page is protected from editing because it is often a target of vandalism. What is is that you were trying to do? Administrators are editors that have certain abilities that would be irresponsible for every user to have, such as deleting pages or blocking users, and are chosen by a community vetting process. 331dot (talk) 21:00, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

No reason, I literally just wanted to see if it had an “edit” button like other pages... Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) 21:02, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Total Eclipse 2017, you can find much more information at Wikipedia: Administrators. Please do not try to edit any Wikipedia page for "no reason", although you can always use your sandbox for experimenting. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:16, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

‘Kay... Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) 21:18, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

"Eisenhower's treaty with the Grey Aliens" is a phrase which appears in a catalogue which is sent to me by "Inner Traditions/Bear & Company/Books for the Mind, Body & Spirit Since 1975"

On p. 29 of the catalog, headed "NEW AGE/METAPHYSICS", they offer a book called Alien World Order: The Reptilian Plan to Divide and Conquer the Human Race by Len Kasten which reads in part "Kasten shows how Eisenhower's treaty with the Grey Aliens, signed in 1954, gave reptilian aliens the authority to abduct humans for 'research.' "

I would be interested to read a review or critique of the company that publishes this catalog and/or of the book mentioned above.

yours truly, Paula Bonnell BonnellP (talk) 21:35, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

BonnellP Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. This is a place for new users to ask questions about using Wikipedia, and is not a general question asking forum. You could try the Reference Desk. 331dot (talk) 21:40, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hey Paula, welcome to Wikipedia! Unfortunately, we do not provide such help here; this page is dedicated to helping users with editing Wikipedia. However, I would advise you that there is no such Alien World Order and that anyone that claims that aliens signed a treaty with Pres. Eisenhower is a phony. --MrClog (talk) 21:42, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

How to edit a feature film page

Hey there! Old school HTML editor here and new to wikipedia, I feel I'm picking it up quickly! While making a few small edits here and there I'm working on entering a feature film (documentary - independent) into the site. I noticed generally speaking the best practice is to insert a type of quick reference infobox to the right of the screen to list directors, runtime, studio,etc. Examples of notable comparable entrees here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minding_the_Gap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Solo

Almost embarrassing, but I'm not even sure how to search for what this functionality would be. I have the page built and cited except for this. Any thoughts of what to research to find what this is that I need to insert?

Thank you!

Nick Venicenothing (talk) 22:53, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

@Venicenothing: Welcome to Wikipedia. What you are looking for is called an infobox, in this case it is {{Infobox_film}}. Click the link to see the documentation and examples of how to fill it out. RudolfRed (talk) 23:30, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey there RudolfRed, so much appreciate it! I'll look into it now. Thank you!

Hey there RudolfRed, one last question. I'm trying to upload an image for the film poster, which falls into the non-free but able to use in context of the film on the page I'm creating. It keeps asking me for license info, is there any help documentation to help me upload this? Since I'm unverified there's a process to ask for it to be uploaded I'm using. Is there any help-info on this process? Thank you!

Hey Venicenothing, I'm not Rudolf but let me try to help you. While you can use it once you have published the article, you cannot use a non-free file while it's still a draft. If you are having problems uploading the non-free file once your draft has become an article, feel free to leave a new message here or at my talk page. --MrClog (talk) 00:19, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi MrClod Thank you for your help! Here's the page I was just published (my first!) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Road_(film) Here's a link to the film poster that I'd like to put into the infobox. Can you help me upload this and insert it? Not trying to bother you, if there's a tutorial or way I should do it let me know.

Film poster to insert: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BOTAyZGEzOTUtZjFmNi00ZjMyLWIzYTEtY2NmMDk1ZTljNGQxXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNzI0NTkyNzY@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,707,1000_AL_.jpg

Thank you!

edit semi-protected article

Can i edit wikipedia article which are semi-protected? My article name is Overwatch (video game). Anmol Jindal (talk) 23:46, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Anmol Jindal, your account is autoconfirmed, so you should have no problem editing that article. Gaelan 💬✏️ 23:55, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Translation Cleanup- Keep Sources?

Resolved

 – Direct translation with original sources are allowed (English preferred per WP:NONENG); suggestion to acknowledge where citations are from in edit summaries. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:42, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Very new to Wikipedia. I recently cleaned up the translation of a Spanish-to-English page Maria Eugenia Suarez and added multiple paragraphs that were included in the Spanish page but not the English one. So far everything I've done is direct translation, since I don't want to get into the weeds of the many Wikipedia standards for adding new content. So with the added paragraphs, I'm wondering if I can copy the (Spanish-language) citations over as well? Carla.Abra (talk) 23:53, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

You are absolute allowed to use reliable sources in Spanish, though we prefer English-language sources if they exist. --MrClog (talk) 00:04, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

In your edit summaries for the addition of citations acknowledge where the info is from. David notMD (talk) 00:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Carla.Abra: Note that each Wikipedia project (in each language) has its own standards, and enwiki is among the more strict as far as source reliability and notability. The fact that an article exists on another Wikipedia does not give it any special waiver of enwiki standards when it is translated and created here – it should comply just like any other new article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:00, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you all! Your comments are very helpful. Carla.Abra (talk) 02:23, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Compliments to Wikipedia

Hi everyone! I know that this isn't really a question, but I would like to give my compliments to Wikipedia and all of the Wikimedia projects. I haven't been a user for very long, and I'm so surprised at all the things that go on in the background. It's like when I wasn't a user, all I saw was the tiny top of an immense iceberg of edits, talk pages, and users. I'm so glad I'm able to experience all of this now and hopefully make a difference on Wikipedia. Thanks a lot! Wikiforever47 (talk) 02:11, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hope you enjoy your time here as many of us have! Take your time to explore and have fun. :) bibliomaniac15 05:21, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

What's gone wrong with fonts in Watchlist? My eyes hurt.

Assume this has already been addressed, so if you could just point me to relevant conversation, that would be great. Thanks. --Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 02:45, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hobbes Goodyear, hello, welcome to the Teahouse. I haven't seen any changes to the Watchlist. Could you be a bit more specific about what you are seeing, what skin you are using, and if you have any gadgets enabled that would affect your watchlist? --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 02:54, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Including an artist's real name in an article (when it's claimed they do not the name in the public sphere)

It is claimed Mxmtoon doesn't want her real name in the public sphere. However, her name has been published by at least one source. Is there any Wikipedia policy to help decide? See discussion at Talk:Mxmtoon Jonpatterns (talk) 07:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC) Jonpatterns (talk) 07:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jonpatterns. My immediate question is how do we know that she wants her name to be kept private? I can't get to the bottom of that from reading the talk page comments. If the subject of the article has communicated this to an editor, then it might be a good idea for her to be advised to contact OTRS (Wikipedia:Contact us) so that the issue can be discussed privately between her and the OTRS team. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:25, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia uses the most common name for a subject. If the person's stage name is only in one or a few sources, and vast majority use their stage name, it may be possible to keep their real name out. I would suggest following Cordless Larry's suggestion. 331dot (talk) 08:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Do not "fix" redirects - please clarify my assumptions

after WP:NOTBROKEN, i have made some assumptions, please say yes or no

• dont change interwiki redirects
• dont change http -> https in hyperlinks in references or notes ... if there are no other changes in article
• do not change error 302, if there are no other changes in article
• change errors 301 or 302 along with other changes [ frequent changes made by me : removing www in website, adding archive date and hyperlink in case of 404 error, removing non existent interwiki links in article, adding missing authority control, etc..] Leela52452 (talk) 07:23, 15 April 2020 (UTC) any OTHER suggestion or critique is preferred here

Shadow Warrior

Header inserted by ColinFine (talk) 09:28, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Kiyomi the sunshine (talk) 08:29, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

I found this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Warrior which has many sections empty. how much info should I collect from main article. a summary would be enough I guess.Kiyomi the sunshine (talk) 08:29, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kiyomi the sunshine. Welcome to the Teahouse, and thanks for wanting to improve Wikipedia. (I added a header to your question). I'm not sure there's any need for those sections in the first place, since they link to the main articles: there might as well be just a list of links. Far more valuable would be finding some reliable, independent sources which discuss the series (not just the individual games) in some depth - without such sources, the series will fail notability. --ColinFine (talk) 09:33, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Getting notification from actions (like reply to your post)

Can I get notification from replying and when someone revert my changes? in the replying they often misspell my username can I do something about it? Thanks in advance – Erfan Talk☻ 09:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Et0zl! You should get a notification if someone reverts you, but it depends on how they did it. If the one who replied to you didn't WP:PING you, you won't get a notification, but looking at your Help:Watchlist can help. Or your edithistory, [1]. If it doesn't say "current", someone has edited the page after you (not that helpful on high-traffic pages like this one). Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:09, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, Thanks a lot – Erfan Talk☻ 10:30, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

@Et0zl: you can hardly blame other users for mispelliing your username when you've chosen to display a different name in your signature than your actual username! You also fail to link to your user page, which might have helped, as well. These are two things you could definitely do something about.  Nick Moyes (talk) 10:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes I don't blame anyone, My point is this is happening and what can I do about it. Thanks for your help – Erfan Talk☻ 10:59, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Well 'blame' might not have been the best word I could have used, but I have offered you an additional suggestion for something you can do actually do to address the issue, over and above the advice already given you. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Abed-Elrahman Ahmed

Can anyone here at wikipedia create a page named Abed-Elrahman Ahmed? It's for a boy that I care extremely much. Please someone create the page so I can edit it. After you create it please send me a talk. Thanks!Julia Schubert (talk) 10:02, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Julia Schubert! Probably not, see WP:BASIC. Do you have such references? If not, such an article will be quickly deleted. If you do, I recommend you read Help:YFA carefully and then start a Help:Userspace draft. Assuming you don't mean Abdelrahman Ossama. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:14, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Sourcing question

Hallo, I am trying to improve Carlo Masi bio as it has been selected for deletion. He was a porn actor so sourcing is one of the hardest thing. I would like to mention that he appeared in many calendars (often on the cover) and there is a lot of merchandise after him. Do you think there is anyway I can source this? is for example amazon.com a possible source? After all any source that shows the cover would do, am I wrong? thank you for helping. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 11:03, 15 April 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 11:03, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

How to my article page in Vietnamese language to English

Msgouda2412 (talk) 13:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Dear sir / madam, unknowingly my article page is in Vietnamese language, please help to me , made English as the article page.

Draft:Apostolic Movement

Please. Can someone help me to improve the Draft:Apostolic Movement to create a new article on Wikipedia? Thanks Progettistauniversale (talk) 13:18, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Help regarding reporting

hello, i want to report a user for constantly removing translations of names and adding his own country's language's names instead because of his bias, and he doesn't seem to give up after mulitple discussions on talk pages. How do I report him? Through Wikipedia email?

CuriousGolden (talk) 13:20, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

CuriousGolden: you seem to be involved in a content dispute with HistoryofIran. Content disputes aren't handled by reporting users you disagree with, but by following the procedures at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. In case you ever do have an actual behavioural issue that needs to be reported, you can use WP:AN/I. However, note that your behaviour will be examined too if you do so! --MrClog (talk) 13:31, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

User is continiously adding anachronistic and/or revisionism names to the lede of articles. Nothing to see here, he will most likely get banned like many other users before him. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:32, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

You're aware that you're removing Azerbaijani names from Azerbaijani empires and Turkic names from Turkic empires and putting Persian instead? We'll see who'll be the one to get banned first

Legendre Conjecture

Yesterday - April 14,2020 I sent e-mails to a number of mathematicians proposing the following: Bridgeman Conjecture

     "There are at least two prime numbers between  N2 and (N + 1)2 for every positive integer  N,  and two of these prime numbers form a twin prime in most cases.   For  N  less than  215  the eleven known exceptions are when  N  is equal to  9, 19, 26, 27, 30, 34, 39, 49, 53, 77, and  122."

      This conjecture implies proof of Legendre's Conjecture.

      My question:  How do I go about getting this conjecture added to Wikipedia and included in the info on Legendre's Conjecture?  

2601:5C5:201:B0B0:B555:C64:290D:139 (talk) 13:31, 15 April 2020 (UTC)James N. Bridgeman 2601:5C5:201:B0B0:B555:C64:290D:139 (talk) 13:31, 15 April 2020 (UTC)