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* {{reply to|Firos ak}}, {{reply to|Prasannatb}}, {{reply to|Santoshdts}} - Where can I get the PDF version of the Media Bulletin? It is very difficult to manually type it out from the image files on twitter —[[User:Bhaskarns|BhaskarNS]] ([[User talk:Bhaskarns|talk]]) 07:05, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
* {{reply to|Firos ak}}, {{reply to|Prasannatb}}, {{reply to|Santoshdts}} - Where can I get the PDF version of the Media Bulletin? It is very difficult to manually type it out from the image files on twitter —[[User:Bhaskarns|BhaskarNS]] ([[User talk:Bhaskarns|talk]]) 07:05, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

* They are not publishing it in Media bulletin after 20 Apr.You can get it in pdf format in telegram channel[https://t.me/Karnataka_KoViD19_Broadcast]


== Discuss and Sign ==
== Discuss and Sign ==

Revision as of 07:43, 1 May 2020

WikiProject COVID-19

I've created WikiProject COVID-19 as a temporary or permanent WikiProject and invite editors to use this space for discussing ways to improve coverage of the ongoing 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. Please bring your ideas to the project/talk page. Stay safe, --Another Believer (Talk) 17:24, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tables and Graphs

  • Can we add Travel Date to the first table? This will give a good idea about the gap between travel and announcement.
  • What are these new SARI cases without any other details? Are they Covid19 positive or something else? What is the source trail of their infection? There are several other Unknown or Under Investigation cases. Is there a way to get an update on those? —BhaskarNS (talk) 09:58, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm quite surprised with the significant increase in [Severe Acute Respiratory Infection|SARI] cases. Here is a write-up on Bangalore Mirror.
The SARI and ILI cases continue to appear. I understand that these people have a history of respiratory or flu-like illnesses, but how do they get Covid-19 virus? Also, how did P419 (Bihar), P447 (Gujarat) get the virus? Did they travel across states after lockdown? Was there no screening done when such people enter the state? @Firos ak:, @Prasannatb:, @Santoshdts:, could you please update if you have info? —BhaskarNS (talk) 13:19, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
How about introducing 'US' (Under Investigation with SARI), and 'UI' (Under Investigation with ILI) with a slightly darker shade of pink? Colour code #ffc8c8 (RGB: 255, 200, 200)
  • Here is the spreadsheet I have been using to automate the Summary of Origin table. View it in this Google Drive. I have also done a comparison graph across states. Karnataka is one of the best, but if we continue to see spikes of unknown cases like SARI, we may have a count higher than Kerala. —BhaskarNS (talk) 02:49, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Can we add a semi log graph on the growth of cases? this graph is most appropriate to show how and when the exponential curve starts to flatten. Covid pages of India and the world all have this. Achimbu (talk) 06:58, 29 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • They are not publishing it in Media bulletin after 20 Apr.You can get it in pdf format in telegram channel[1]

Discuss and Sign

Users are encouraged to discuss here before making mass changes to categories and colours. Also, please sign your edits. Else, they may get blocked.—BhaskarNS (talk) 02:30, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Two Tablighi Jamaat related status have been introduced by someone - T2TJ and TJ2P. I don't believe we need 'Event Tracing'; 'Contact Tracing' is enough. I am planning to revert those changes and continue using the Origin column as earlier - only 3 status will remain T, T2P, and P2P. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bhaskarns (talk • contribs) 13:38, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Again someone has made a few changes. Only IP address is listed, no name. Unless I hear otherwise from regular authors, I will be reverting these changes. (FYI Santoshdts, Firos ak, Prasannatb) —BhaskarNS (talk) 13:38, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Shall we capture each Patient separately? The advantage is that it would be easier to track their Hospital Location, Recovered, etc. at row level. We can drop 'No. of Persons' column. —BhaskarNS (talk) 14:13, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Five different Origin type colours does not make much sense. T2P and P2P are also vague for Nizamuddin Markaz and Nanjangud Pharma traces. Shall we drop existing Origin type column, and add Trace and Level columns instead? Trace could be FT, NM, NP, OS, UN (Foreign Travel, Nizamuddin Markaz, Nanjangud Pharma, Other State Travel, and Unknown as of now), and the Level shows whether they are direct travellers / workers, or whether it is secondary (family), tertiary (person to person), etc. If these make sense, I shall make an edit. If it looks odd, we can undo. —BhaskarNS (talk) 13:38, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For now, I have added the Level column and used lighter colours. But I still feel, we don't need so many categories or colours. —BhaskarNS (talk) 17:51, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently there are ways Wikipedia:Administrators' guide/Protecting —BhaskarNS (talk) 11:21, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bhaskarns: How about adding semi-protection for some time? Or this vandalism may increase. Santoshdts (talk) 21:15, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Santoshdts: Are you able to do this? I'm unable to figure this out - I don't see any 'Protect' option at all. I can see that the user is repeatedly trying to relate any travel or connection to Delhi with the Markaz event, which is akin to spreading fake news. —BhaskarNS (talk) 01:42, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bhaskarns: I tried requesting for page protection here and even tried on WP:Twinkle but unable to place request. Is it due to Merge request pending for this page? Santoshdts (talk) 06:47, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Now the page is semi-protected, if any editors need any changes in the Case formats or other important details, Plz discuss on the talk page and proceed. Thanks. Santoshdts (talk) 18:23, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Santoshdts: Thank you so much! Shall we split Tablighi Jamaat attendee and Delhi Travel cases? I recommend the following T = Travel, T2P = Travel to Person, P2P = Person to Person or Unknown, TJ = Tablighi Jamaat at Nizamuddin Markaz, NP = Nanjangud Pharma, DT = Delhi Travel. DT is the new one.
@Bhaskarns: looks good to me. I think we need Unknown as a separate identifier. Santoshdts (talk) 02:56, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Santoshdts: I counted 8 variations, which could be too many colours. Hence I'll try to have shades of the same colour to indicate levels. Eg: T can be light blue and T2P can be a darker shade. Please check once. —BhaskarNS (talk) 07:23, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bengaluru Data

I came across this report talking about Bengaluru Constituency-wise Cases - New Indian Express. Looks like each constituency is submitting a summary to determine future lockdown schedules. Do we have a link to the official report, and can someone include about it in the article? —BhaskarNS (talk) 11:57, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an interesting report to watch - listing containment zones in Bengaluru. —BhaskarNS (talk) 01:17, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline

Hi, do we really need to update the Timeline daily? As we are maintaining a daily table of Cases. I feel we should remove most of the data fromTtimeline and populate it with important New Developing details from Govt. or other [WP:RS]. Iam sure it's consuming lot of reader space and tedious to update for editor. Plz do think on this suggestion. We can make this page much better, relevant and most importantly Informative. Thanks Santoshdts (talk) 17:42, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Santoshdts:We don't need to update daily. Instead, I think we should capture important aspects. Eg: A new cluster emerging, a trend of many SARI cases, or it has been 7 days of no Travel-related cases etc. —BhaskarNS (talk) 17:41, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Santoshdts: I agree-Firos ak (talk) 17:45, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bhaskarns: @Firos ak: Exactly, If there is consensus on this issue. Let's work on minimizing the Timeline with more important events on specific days, like annoncements, New clusters, etc. Moreover, this is a encyclopedia not a timeline. Santoshdts (talk) 17:57, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bhaskarns: The modified timeline doesn't look good with dates in Bold in between.How about making like this.Do you want to relocate cited refs somewhere else(may be in case table) for removing dates without having important info?-Firos ak (talk) 06:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Firos ak: Agree, that looks neat. We will get there eventually by cutting out unnecessary details. —BhaskarNS (talk) 10:05, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fix the map

Why is the coastal part of the Karnataka map protruding like that? Compare the below two to understand what I'm saying. M4DU7 (talk) 06:56, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Original map
    Original map
  • COVID map
    COVID map
We should correct it.Firos ak (talk) 13:09, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Section size

Hi all, There's a message template on article talk page, showing the Cases Section of this page has become too large. We need to do something about this. I suggest We can split the whole section and if possible remove (If any) tables from the page which duplicates the information already present on the page to comply with the guidlines. Santoshdts (talk) 11:17, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Can we make it month wise?Firos ak (talk) 13:02, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't solve size issue i think.Though the table has very valuable info,wiki is not the place to keep it i think.What would be the ideal solution? :@Bhaskarns:,:@Santoshdts:.Firos ak (talk) 13:14, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It says that the rules apply only to readable prose. The tables are not considered 'readable prose', right? Please check first couple of paragraphs on Wikipedia:Article_size —BhaskarNS (talk) 17:10, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Closed Topics

Timeline

  • The couple comprising of a Google techie and his wife from Agra had travelled to Greece, not Italy. Also this news has been reported from March 12th.
TOI Article - 14th March
Fact Check on TheLogicalIndian - 15th March --BhaskarNS (talk) 10:28, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cases

  • It looks like we are tracking each case separately. So we could drop the 'No. of' column? If we still need space, we can merge Sex and Age columns to show M-40s, F-17, etc. BhaskarNS (talk) 00:50, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • How are we merging multiple 'Case no.' in the table? What happens to other columns if we have multiple cases merged? Could someone please fix this properly so that it is not confusing to read?! — BhaskarNS (talk) 11:27, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bhaskarns: We need not worry about it i guess as latest ref is used for the total cases below map.Wiki makes numbering from top to bottom.-Firos ak (talk) 06:38, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is why I was suggesting to keep one row per patient. Shall we do that? —BhaskarNS (talk) 09:58, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bhaskarns: I agree.But huge task now to separate all.I am facing some issue while doing it in visual mode.Changing Colour/BOLD etc are not there in visual mode.any solution?-Firos ak (talk) 09:10, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Firos ak: Thank you Firos and all others who updated this. Moving to Closed Topics section —BhaskarNS (talk) 17:41, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I recommend that we enter each patient in a different row to enable easier tracking of recovery. With each row having its own attributes, it will also be easier to export to a spreadsheet and do analysis. —BhaskarNS (talk) 16:05, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi, Can someone Plz update the Clinically Recovered/Discharged cases with respect to its colour code. There seems a difference between the no. quoted by source and the table on the page. <be>
I think this is because we do not have each patient or case in a separate row. I suggest we maintain data as presented in the Media Bulletin - i.e. one row per case, so that it is easier to track. —BhaskarNS (talk) 01:57, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. P#192 and P#193 are Mother and Brother of P#128, who is a Nizamuddin Markaz visitor. Hence, corrected to P2P-T/D. —BhaskarNS (talk) 01:57, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we can add I think —BhaskarNS (talk) 17:41, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Added.How about death cases?-Firos ak (talk) 09:11, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Same column can be used "Date Discharged/Deceased" based on Patient Number column type we identify the case type.Prasannatb (talk) 09:48, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done.Firos ak (talk) 06:37, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cases by Source Graph

District Summary Table

@Bhaskarns: Shall we sort it as per no. of total cases(high to low)? —Firos ak (talk) 06:40, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. Let us use List_of_districts_of_Karnataka as reference. —BhaskarNS (talk) 11:00, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Presently it is based on this Daily bulletin which makes entry bit easy.why dont we continue that?. —Firos ak (talk) 03:16, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agree :-) —BhaskarNS (talk) 05:53, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cases by Status Graph

  • What figures are taken in to considerations while plotting the chart for cases split by Recovered, Active, and Deaths as there is no Source provided can someone Plz cite one and explain, How is the revovered cases, which are currently at 30 is plotted above Active Cases.? Thanks Santoshdts (talk) 14:05, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Santoshdts: This is a stacked area chart - so consider only the height of each section. The source is the 'Total' row from the 'District wise Abstract of COVID-19' table published in the daily Media Bulletin released by the Department of Health and Family Welfare Services, Karnataka. —BhaskarNS (talk) 01:57, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • If the Bar charts are replaced with Line Charts, would that be of any help in visualization? We can add more data points (Tests Conducted, Positive cases, Declared Negative, Deaths, etc) and can be plotted in a single chart. Santoshdts (talk) 08:27, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Tests Conducted run into thousands. Hence may not be easy to visualize along with positive cases in 10s per day. If all this data is available, we could start with a table for now? —BhaskarNS (talk) 06:03, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category naming

Change unknown category UK to U, to avoid confusion with Uttara Kanara — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.130.157 (talk) 13:10, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

OK, will do in next round of changes —BhaskarNS (talk) 17:41, 12 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

COVID19 Death History

Can we start a section for detailed history of confirmed death cases like this?-Firos ak (talk) 15:55, 7 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm Ok if someone can get all the details and keep it up to date. —BhaskarNS (talk) 09:58, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Done.Firos ak (talk) 06:38, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Firos ak: why don't we use the same format as Cases table? Only the Note column is extra here.
Done.Firos ak (talk) 15:13, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Testing

Hi, Ive recently added a new section named Testing. I hope the positioning of the section is appropriate. If someone feels it needs to be placed somewhere else in the article may please move it to suitable place in the article, Thanks. Santoshdts (talk) 15:35, 14 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Santoshdts: Thank you Santosh. This looks good to me. Is this data also coming from the daily media bulletin? Do they have numbers split up by district? —BhaskarNS (talk) 02:49, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Can we include this news somewhere? Tracking ILI and SARI cases. Many SARI cases seem to result in death as soon as admitted to hospital. Are these Covid-19 positive, or are is it some other strain of virus? —BhaskarNS (talk) 09:51, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bhaskarns: Ture this needs to be added. As Govt. is taking "SARI" Seriously. I think Government section is appropriate for this. Santoshdts (talk) 10:29, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Typos

1) It should be 'Nanjangud' Pharma Company, not 'Nanjanaguda' ...

@Firos ak:, @Santoshdts:, @Prasannatb:: Or should it be 'Nanjangudu'? Can someone confirm?
Nanjangud is widely used, officially Nanjangudu.here.Firos ak (talk) 02:48, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Firos ak: —BhaskarNS (talk) 13:24, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Source of Vijayapura cases are from Maharastra

All 17 cases until now from Vijayapura has been found from one family with two of them having travel history to Ichalkaranji and Pune in Maharastra.[2] This needs to be updated accordingly. XGammaRay (talk) 15:28, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Added it in the case table.Firos ak (talk) 14:17, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bhaskarns: What should be the category of these cases then?Firos ak (talk) 13:40, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Firos ak: Sorry I missed this, but it is good to be able to reduce the 'Unknown' count. We could either create a new category or replace DT (Delhi Travel) with OS (Other States Travel) and include all in the same category. Another option is to create MT (Maharashtra Travel) or MH maybe, and use in the Cases table, but use the same yellow colour in the graph (to avoid too many colours there). Please let me know your thoughts and I'll change accordingly.—BhaskarNS (talk) 01:17, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Other state(OS) instead of DT would be enough i think.Firos ak (talk) 02:42, 21 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In the Cases table, I have used 'OS' for all states other than Delhi. Delhi Travel (DT) continues to be a big cluster. However, in the graphs OS and DT are combined —BhaskarNS (talk) 13:24, 24 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable Sources

I think the References against each entry (last column of table) point to such public sources, especially the Media Bulletin by GoK. That should be good for now. Meanwhile, could you please continue updating this spreadsheet? It may be useful to do some analysis once the data gets bigger. We are missing updates on earlier patients ... more of them should have recovered by now?
Has anyone capturing raw data? I was looking for Arrival Date for Travel cases, Recovery Date for Confirmed cases, Trace (eg: Nanjangud, Nizamuddin), etc. to do some additional analysis that could help us predict when Karnataka could be free of Covid-19. —BhaskarNS (talk) 01:54, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bhaskarns: MoHFW on their website has the data for arrival date and quarantine start and end date for them. Santoshdts (talk) 05:37, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Could you share the link? Will we be able to map it to the patient number in Karnataka?
it's actually collated as district wise data on this website, checkout if this helps. Santoshdts (talk) 12:02, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This has quarantined data, not confirmed cases. Anyway, I went ahead and did my own mapping and came up with a new table indicating sources and their level of transmission. Eg: A Level 3 in Foreign Travel would be a contact of a contact of someone who has travelled. If this helps, and I'll try to keep it updated. Level 3 in any of these categories is bad. —BhaskarNS (talk) 16:07, 6 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bhaskarns:But you need to provide a Reliable Source for this table.
The Summary table has Origin categories and Levels as mapped in the Cases table above. —BhaskarNS (talk) 05:02, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unknown and Under Tracing Category

  • Contact Tracing has become an important measure to indicate community spread. If you look at Kalburgi or Chikkaballapur, the entire chain is caused by people who had a travel history. The categories T and T2P are fairly easy. However, the P2P category has both traced and untraced history. Should we have a 4th category to highlight untraced P2P? For example, the Nanjangud cases, P#89-91, or P#101 are still unexplained! —BhaskarNS (talk) 02:17, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bhaskarns: I agree, The table surely needs a Untraced P2P category. As currently we are facing with some past events, which might flare up the infected count of which authorities will face a lot of difficulties in establishing the contact trace. Hence, I agree to create a separate category for such cases in future.
Is there a way we can condense the content of the table and make it bit concise? As I feel, this is going to prolong for few more weeks. In such a scenario, the table would be too lengthy and would be difficult to comprehend the figure to readers. Do we need to think on that too? Santoshdts (talk) 20:06, 1 April 2020 (UTC) Also the Untraced P2P/Uder Investigation P2P cases would let the readers know, the actual efforts put in by the Govt. in Contact tracing. And how successful have they been. Santoshdts (talk) 18:17, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Origin Types and Colour Codes

  • "P2P" and "T2P-N OR P2P-N" color codes look visually the same, almost so. Can we have them move apart in saturation/better contrast for an improved visual experience? I do like the idea of tracking clusters separately by their origin as they may become more prominent as situation evolves in the coming days — Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowtrue (talk • contribs) 19:18, 8 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Someone without a user name is merging everyone with 'Travel history to Delhi' with 'Tabligh Jamaat event at Nizamuddin Markaz'. I believe that they should be separate. Instead of introducing more colours, I would suggest a new column for Trace (for eg: TD for Travel to Delhi, TJ for Tabligh Jamaat, NP for Nanjangud Pharma, etc.) —BhaskarNS (talk) 01:23, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bhaskarns: 157.49.247.36 (talk) 11:16, 9 April 2020 (UTC)Please go through this news report, it clarify why Delhi travel and Markaz event linking. And read 3rd and 4th paragraph carefully statement of state education minister S Suresh Kumar. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/karnataka-to-go-beyond-protocol-to-test-tablighi-members/articleshow/75003879.cms[reply]
@157.49.247.36:The following cases have no mention of attending the Tablighi Jamaat (TJ) event, or contact with an event attendee, or even being a TJ member. There is only a History of travel to Delhi. Hence I feel they don't belong in the same category: 60, 134, 135, 136, 138, 171, 172, 173, 178, 179, 180, 181, 189, 190 —BhaskarNS (talk) 12:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bhaskarns: 157.49.247.36 (talk) 18:36, 9 April 2020 (UTC)I think state education minister is nothing for you, but not for me. Minister himself feels doubt over travel history provided by TJ member. I'm not sure but there is strong chance of covid+ patient with travel history Delhi. Delhi turned covid HOTSPOTS because of TJ. To get correct information regard covid issue follow CM and Minister's statements, kannada news Channel reports, Print media reports. collect correct information and publish here. Don't feel any news yourself.[reply]
@157.49.247.36: The Source for all the data is as mentioned in the References. Please confirm if any of the highlighted cases is confirmed as a TJ member in any of the sources. Until that time, the only category available to us is as mentioned in the Media Bulletin published Department of Health and Family Welfare Services, Karnataka. For quick reference, I am repeating the case numbers which have 'Travel history to Delhi', but no other mention: 60, 134, 135, 136, 138, 171, 172, 173, 178, 179, 180, 181, 189, 190 —BhaskarNS (talk) 05:02, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Bhaskarns: Media Bulletin publishes only same day investigation.Further investigation or under investigation case report available only in print and electronic media. Here is an example for P60 https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2020/03/27/karnataka-65-year-old-who-travelled-to-delhi-dies-of-coronavirus-in-tumkur.html I think you don't know Kannada that's why avoiding Kannada Print and electronic media.
Not sure who has posted the above, but I still could not see any reference to Tablighi Jamaat or Nizamuddin Markaz. The man travelled to Delhi, attended religious events at Jama Masjid between March 7 and 11, and returned back on March 14. To my knowledge, the Tablighi Jamaat event was between March 13 and 15. So this person has no attended that event, and it is not the same cluster. —BhaskarNS (talk) 16:02, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
For the derivation of Colour Codes, please refer to the Colours tab of this spreadsheet on Google Drive.—BhaskarNS (talk) 02:08, 27 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Root-Index Level for Unknown Cases

  • BhaskarNS, Firos ak: Atleast for the time being, are we tracking root-index of all unknown('U') cases as Level2?
I have assumed all unknown('U') cases to start at Level3, which is equivalent to P2P. For Travel cases we had T (Level1), T2P (Level2) and P2P (Level3). —BhaskarNS (talk) 02:49, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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