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Reply (March 2020)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to change genres without discussion or sources, as you attempted at Talk:September 11 attacks and September 11 attacks, you may be blocked from editing. There is no consensus for your changes, please stop now. Thank you. David J Johnson (talk) 20:14, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

My reply

When you said "without discussion or sources" and "There is no consensus for your changes" about linking terrorism with Islam, Have you read WP:TERRORIST and Talk:September_11_attacks/Archive_27#Straw_Poll:_Islamic_terrorist?

Don't make reckless accusation without reading carefully — MusenInvincible (talk) 06:11, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

WP:BLUDGEON

Please stop going round in circles at Talk:September 11 attacks. Wikipedia is not an opinion outlet; Wikipedia:Verifiability is policy. Please consult it. I quote: "On Wikipedia, verifiability means other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Wikipedia does not publish original research." See further down on the policy page for what counts as a reliable source. You are bludgeoning the discussion by insisting that the article should depart from Wikipedia policy, despite having it repeatedly explained to you both at article talk and here on your own talk.[1] Everybody has to follow our reliable sources policies — if it's your opinion that "I never think Western media is reliable enough on various topics", you need to check that opinion at the door. If you insist on promulgating it and thereby flouting our policies, Wikipedia may not be for you. Please desist or you are likely to be blocked from Talk:September 11 attacks or topic banned from the topic September 11 attacks. Bishonen | tålk 17:46, 23 March 2020 (UTC).

You argue that I don't follow the policy, but how about WP:TERRORIST policy and WP:NPOV, are you forgetting those ones? normal people would consider "Islamic terrorist" is more original research through editorial bias rather than factual "suicide hijackers" found on the incident. — MusenInvincible (talk) 17:50, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

I am not forgetting them (although WP:TERRORISM is not policy), but they don't support you. I quote WP:NPOV: All encyclopedic content on Wikipedia must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic. My bolding. It all comes down to reliable sources. Bishonen | tålk 17:59, 23 March 2020 (UTC).

I don't talk about WikiProject, but the guideline of Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Contentious_labels : Value-laden labels—such as calling an organization a cult, an individual a racist or sexist, terrorist, or freedom fighter, or a sexual practice a perversion—may express contentious opinion and are best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case use in-text attribution. — MusenInvincible (talk) 18:14, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

? Who's talking about a WikiProject? Not me. You referred to WP:TERRORISM and so did I. It's a shortcut that will take you to the text you quote. Do you understand me when I say WP:TERRORISM is not policy? It's a guideline. Scroll up from WP:TERRORISM to look at the top of the page. You're making it very difficult to talk to you. Please read my original message again and just stop. I'm not going to explain over and over. Bishonen | tålk 18:27, 23 March 2020 (UTC).

Stop now. You do not have wp:consensus and no one who has responded has agreed with you.Slatersteven (talk) 18:23, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Should I stop against violation of Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Contentious_labels? which also had generally been consensus but neglected, or you must stop now defending "reliable bias sources"

This is now a warning, continue with your wp:tenditious dragging out of that thread and I will report you to wp:ani.Slatersteven (talk) 18:33, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

To another user see mine WP:TERRORIST with yours WP:TERRORISM — MusenInvincible (talk) 18:29, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Oh, you're right, I'm sorry, MusenInvincible. I meant to say WP:TERRORIST throughout — to refer back to what you had said. My invocation of a WikiProject was an accident. Bishonen | tålk 20:34, 23 March 2020 (UTC).

Please stop this now, current consensus is against you. See Slatersteven above. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 18:47, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Just report it to WP:ANI, and ask others when there is bias report preferred above Manual of Style standard guideline. — MusenInvincible (talk) 05:20, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

edit war

Please read wp:editwar and wp:3rr very very carefully. An edit war can take place over days and months.Slatersteven (talk) 15:29, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Please read (or you won't never read) WP:TERRORIST and WP:NPOV. It's not consensus, It's guideline and policy. — MusenInvincible (talk) 15:33, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

"... unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject,". Stop the next time you try this I will report you. Get consensus.Slatersteven (talk) 15:37, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

You can't do that, cause I already report it — MusenInvincible (talk) 15:54, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

ANI

I would advise you to ask for this to be closed, before there is a wp:boomerang. You are very much in the wrong here, as has been pointed out to you.Slatersteven (talk) 16:21, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

April 2020

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 month for edit warring and disruptive editing, pretending to be amenable to discussion but ignoring the result when consensus is against you, and wasting the time of other editors. Previous block for edit warring evidently didn't get the message across. See WP:IDHT.. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Floquenbeam (talk) 16:25, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Do you think it is wrong to follow the rules and standard guideline instead of keep follow who deviate it? Being blocked because of defending the application of policy on article is not normal. This is utterly unfair. — MusenInvincible (talk) 16:30, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

You are not following a rule and standard guideline. You are following your interpretation of a rule and standard guidline. There is a consensus that you are interpreting them incorrectly. You refuse to accept this consensus. The block, in particular its length, is meant to emphasize to you that the argument is over, and you cannot keep arguing until you've exhausted everyone else. Therefore, you need to either change your approach and accept consensus, or go somewhere else. --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:33, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Have you read WP:WTW? the standard "Manual of Style" explains about how to write contentious label on a subject to use in-text attribution, but in the lead paragraph September 11 attacks, do you find where the 'in-text attribution' is?

may express contentious opinion and are best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case use in-text attribution WP:WTW

That's totally verbatim, not my preference. If they did change according this Manual of Style (or considering my alternative suggestions) I would accept it, and the discussion is closed. Moreover, the word terrorist in the article is redundant WP:REDUNDANCY (a series of four coordinated terrorist attacks by the Islamic terrorist group al-Qaeda) two same words in the same sentence, Of course everyone knows terrorist action is done by terrorist group (Is there no other term?)

Moreover, You are misinterpreting WP:IDHT when wrongdoing-ly applying ban to my account,

If the community spends more time cleaning up editors' mistakes and educating them about policies and guidelines than it considers necessary, sanctions may have to be imposed.

— WP:IDHT

Who are "educating them about policies WP:NPOV and guidelines WP:WTW? they or I? When they did neglect my reminder about Wikipedia policies and guidelines, It's their mistakes not mine. Not just because of depending the consensus, cause consensus today could be changed in another day. So your ban is not fair, as harmful way to treat a user in solving the problem. — MusenInvincible (talk) 16:51, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I really would advise you to drop this. If not you will lose talk page access and maybe earn a longer block. For gods sake listen, you have not so far and look what has happened.Slatersteven (talk) 16:58, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

What's wrong to uphold the WP:NPOV core and non-negotiable policy? Be calm down and logic that the Discussion is not over yet, I need more insights from other users who neutrally understand well about Wikipedia policy, not only force about consensus. If you cannot be collaborative,Wikipedia is not the right place for you. — MusenInvincible (talk) 17:08, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

I give up.Slatersteven (talk)

Time to close this "discussion". David J Johnson (talk) 17:48, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

April 2020 II

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 Bishonen | tålk 20:25, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

• It's not "your page" in the sense that you can put whatever you like on it, such as a ridiculous header above Floquenbeam's block. All Wikipedia pages are Wikipedia's. Bishonen | tålk 20:27, 3 April 2020 (UTC).

2020 Baghdad International Airport airstrike

I have been working on 2020 Baghdad International Airport airstrike for three hours. I was about to save then you made 3 edits. I carefully copied your edits into my changes, and you made more edits. Do me a favor please and wait a few minutes until I save my 3-hour edit, before you make any more changes. It would help me a lot! Cheers, —Anomalocaris (talk) 00:23, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Never mind ... you had edited the version before I started; it was another editor who was editing at the same time I was. Fortunately, that editor seems to have paused anyway. —Anomalocaris (talk) 00:53, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Category:Main topic classifications

Please see WP:DIFFUSE and please stop adding articles to Category:Main topic classifications. The articles you have added are already included in subcategories. Medicine is already covered by Category:Medicine, which is already included in a subcategory of Category:Health, for example. Adding new categories to Main topic classifications would fundamentally mean a reorganization of Wikipedia's category scheme, which should be discussed first. Thank you. Grayfell (talk) 08:06, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

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Please preview, consolidate, and summarize

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Thanks in advance for considering these suggestions. Eric ^talk 13:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

May 2020

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. Why are you removing legitamate categories from redirects? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 13:24, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I was removing the categories from redirects, because "Most redirect pages are not placed in article categories" except for categorization templates (rcats) or maintenance categories and most of the redirects have overcategorization (with more than 3 categories/more than 7 categories) such as: Arnie_Cunningham, Martin_Brundle_(The_Fly), Ricky_Chapman also considering WP:CATV Categorization of articles must be verifiable. It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories. but when reading redirects, the pages cannot show (even) single information can be verified (WP:VERIFY) from any kind of sources (Wikipedia core policy includes Verifiability); moreover most of the redirects are not Notable (WP:NOTABLE) enough (that pages could probably be deleted), otherwise each should have its own article, or at least stub quality, instead of only redirect.

Therefore, if the redirects would be improved to stub/article then it's okay to put more categories on them. But no otherwise. — MusenInvincible (talk) 16:11, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

WP:RCAT describes a number of situations where redirects may be placed in article categories. You weren't being selective, though. Every single redirect that you edited, you removed all of the categories. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 16:44, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

As I said earlier, "Most redirect pages are not placed in article categories" so I don't consider the redirects can be included in article categories because "redirects are not articles" thus (article) categories are not needed, unless there are 'redirect' categories (for blank information page).
For your accusation that my edits were disruptive, which point on WP:DISRUPTSIGNS policy that includes 'removing unverifiable categories on redirects whose content are blank'? — MusenInvincible (talk) 08:40, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

"Most" doesn't mean "All". If a redirect is for an organisation, but it points to an article about an individual connected with that organisation, categories specific to organisations belong on the redirect. As an example, take this edit - none of those categories can be said to apply to S. N. Goenka, the person; but all of them apply to Vipassana Research Institute, the organisation. So their inclusion on the redirect instead of on the person is sensible and logical. Another way of looking it is this: what was established in 1985 - Goenka or VRI? Clearly it can't be Goenka, who was born in 1924. See WP:INCOMPATIBLE. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:03, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

If you read my earlier explanation well, you would understand I did not mean to all but "Most redirect pages are not placed in article categories with exceptions"
For your question, Imagine if someone looks for article of an institution Vipassana Research Institute but redirected to article of a person S. N. Goenka which talking a lot on person, but few information on the institution, Does that logic? and If you said Vipassana Research Institute was established in 1985, can you find sentence or sourced content on the redirected page S. N. Goenka indicating year when Goenka established? If you, or anyone else, would create a stub or short article of Vipassana Research Institute from redirect page, that's more logic to put some article categories BUT S. N. Goenka-Vipassana Research Institute example not from my edits you reverted anyway; and again, if the redirects would be improved to stub/article then it's okay (that everyone) to put more categories on them. — MusenInvincible (talk) 10:51, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Ex nihilo

A difficult article to add to. It's giving me problems. I know far too little about metaphysics and logic, or modern cosmology (the "big bang"). If you want to join in, please do.Achar Sva (talk) 08:48, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

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West Bank editing.

Since West Bank is not available for editing because of vandalising, and you've edited it several times lately, I said maybe you're the right person to refer to. I'd aprecciate if if you check out the talk page at West Bank, specifically "Replacing or adding new imagery where needed?", and tell me.what you think, It'd be awesome. And you'd also be helping some of my work get through. I'll be contacting some other editors of the article also for a broader opinion. SoWhAt249 (talk) 21:46, 23 May 2020 (UTC)