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Nomination of 2009 Buffalo mayoral election for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 2009 Buffalo mayoral election is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mayoral elections until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Wow (talk) 22:43, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Stephen Strasburg GAR notification

Stephen Strasburg, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.—Bagumba (talk) 06:13, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Hunter Biden

How did I vandalize the page of Hunter Biden? I used reliable sources. Aceusa (talk) 20:53, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Aceusa, we've gone over this before. The mother of the child is not a notable person and WP:BLP does not support its inclusion. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:16, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Jane Dee Hull

On 21 April 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jane Dee Hull, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:55, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

2022 United States Senate election in California

Why do you keep taking out the republican primary? It is vandalism. And potential is a word that means someone who could run, and the news doesn't list them, so please stop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpeedyShadow (talk • contribs) 15:29, April 21, 2020 (UTC)

@SpeedyShadow:, deleting WP:UNSOURCED content is not vandalism. Adding unsourced content can be a form of vandalism. Technically, every California citizen over the age of 30 by January 2023 could run in that election. If no reliable sources are talking about them as candidates, though, then we do not include them. It is unfortunate I had to protect the page to stop that edit warring so that I can get the chance to say this. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:40, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

SpeedyShadow, are you editing from this account and from Speedysonic? If so, why? You cannot use WP:MULTIPLE accounts unless you have a good reason. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:59, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I lost my old password and the email wouldn't send so i made this one. please dont ban me. Ok about deleting it thank you. but isnt taking out the primary part not ok? thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpeedyShadow (talk • contribs) 16:02, April 21, 2020 (UTC)

SpeedyShadow, that's an understandable reason to have created the second account, and I won't block you for that. What about the primary? We have no idea which candidates will run in that election on either side. Harris might not run, she might be VP or Attorney General. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:57, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I was asking can you add back like the part where it says Republican Primary? and declared and potential but not any candidates. Thank you.

ANI Notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --PackMecEng (talk) 22:50, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Your reversion of my reversion of BD2412

Regarding your insistence that my edits be tagged with the Wikipedia equivalent of a scarlet letter[1], the administrator whose edit you reinstated, BD2412, recently vowed to focus his "admin activities elsewhere"[2] in a promise to Levivich. That promise was pushed aside within a week, in order to undermine views with which BD2412 apparently disagrees. You may recall that BD2412 made the perplexing decision to block any non-admin edits to Joe Biden's presidential campaign article until after the election was over, which was shortly overruled by another administrator (Iridescent). You defended BD2412's self-reinsertion into the Joe Biden space with the argument that the tags were "Added by an admin," and therefore appropriate. I also see that you reverted this edit that had already been reverted without gaining consensus on the talk page, which may violate the policies listed at the talk page: "If a change you make to this article is reverted, you may not reinstate that change unless you discuss the issue on the talk page and wait 24 hours." Does this policy not apply to talk pages? Also, are admins given certain powers to tag people's edits that are not available to the common editor? Please clarify. — Sockpuppet comment of a community banned user

Any of us could have added the SPA tag. SPECIFICO talk 19:39, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

All the more reason why it's strange that Muboshgu pointed to the fact that BD2412 is an admin to justify it. — Sockpuppet comment

SeriousIndividuals, exactly what SPECIFICO said. What BD2412 is or is not doing on that page is irrelevant. You are an WP:SPA and that template exists for a reason. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:42, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Neither SPECIFICO or you addressed anything I asked. Will you clarify the questions I asked? Is the board where BD2412 agreed to stay away from Joe Biden articles a better place to be asking these questions? — Sockpuppet comment

@SeriousIndividuals: Per the above, tagging SPAs is regular editing, not an administrative activity. However, I can't help noticing that you have only recently begun editing Wikipedia, but appear to have started with an uncanny familiarity with Wikipedia editing. I am wondering, since you did not use this account to participate in the ANI discussion to which you referred, which account did you use for that purpose? BD2412 T 19:55, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

As I pointed out, Muboshgu pointed to the fact that you're an "admin" to justify the editing, and implying that non-admin editors can't revert you. See the contradiction? You said you would direct your admin activities elsewhere, but then Muboshgu is telling people that you can't be reverted on Joe Biden articles because you're an admin. I didn't participate in that discussion. Anybody can view it. — Sockpuppet comment

The relevant factor is not that I am an administrator, but that I am an editor with fifteen years of experience in dealing with SPAs. Let me ask you directly, though, have you edited Wikipedia from any other accounts? BD2412 T 20:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

If it's not relevant, then why is Muboshgu using your admin status as a cudgel to intimidate me into not reverting your scarlet letter tagging and involvement in Joe Biden-related articles? In answer to your question, I edited anonymously until I created an account at the suggestion of others. I got sick of being tagged, which apparently didn't make a difference because the campaign continues. — Sockpuppet comment

I can't speak for Muboshgu's actions, but I doubt that very many people will find it plausible that you have up until now edited anonymously. Can you provide proof of this? Also, that does not specifically answer my question. Have you edited Wikipedia from any other accounts? BD2412 T 20:43, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

SeriousIndividuals, BD2412 is a respected member of the community here. You are right that they're being an admin is not what gives them the right to tag you as an SPA. It was easier for me to say than to say that they have 15 years experience here (since I didn't know the length of time). – Muboshgu (talk) 20:54, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

So just so I have this right, there is no policy saying that I can't remove tags under my name? I don't like that and I view it as an attempt to undermine views with which BD2412 disagrees. I don't have the time to do this all day, but if I remove the tags, will you just re-add them again and keep going in circles until someone gets tired? — Sockpuppet comment

The tags properly identify you as a single-purpose account. So far as you have been able to demonstrate, you have done nothing at all in Wikipedia except to advocate in one specific topic area. If you choose to engage in an edit war over that accurate designation, that will end no differently for you than for any other SPA who so behaves. Alternately, you could make a few thousand edits improving articles on diverse topics unrelated to your issue, and then your opinions on that issue might be given some weight by readers. BD2412 T 21:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu already initiated an "edit war." He made a reversion of contested material within 24 hours. Within 10 minutes, actually. I don't want to get into an edit war with two administrators, which is why I came here to request clarification as to the policies behind tagging people's edits. I still haven't gotten an answer so I'm going to have to seek clarification elsewhere. — Sockpuppet comment

• Seems rather silly to edit war over a user essay. Take it to WP:SPI if you think there is a case. Otherwise I plan on undoing it later. PackMecEng (talk) 20:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  @PackMecEng: Can you clarify what it is that you plan on "undoing"? BD2412 T 20:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  @BD2412: It would be undoing Muboshgu's revert here. PackMecEng (talk) 21:44, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  I would respectfully request that you not do that, as the tag accurately identifies an account that is doing nothing on Wikipedia but advocating with respect to one specific issue. {{Single-purpose account}} tagging is routinely used to identify such accounts. By what rationale would this information be concealed? BD2412 T 21:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  By what rationale would it be considered useful? Even the tag itself says it should not be used to prejudge someones contributions to a discussion or RFC. I see the tag and the user essay supporting it to just be a form of tag shamming and counter to a collaborative editing environment. PackMecEng (talk) 21:50, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  There are tens of thousands of uses of this tag in Wikipedia. Do you intend to remove them all? It sounds as if your objection is to a well-established process, rather than to a particular instance of the use of this process. I would suggest that if you propose to abolish the use of this tag, you start by opening a discussion at the Village Pump, rather than addressing a single instance that will quickly be restored or retagged by another editor. BD2412 T 22:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  Don't be ridiculous. I plan on reverting a challenged tag. If I see others that have been challenged I may remove them as well, but I have no plans on hunting for them. PackMecEng (talk) 22:14, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  You seem to be planning to revert an edit that was already reverted back once. Please gain consensus before re-reverting. BD2412 T 22:26, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  Onus is on the other side. PackMecEng (talk) 22:28, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  The use of SPA tags is a well-established practice, which you propose to change in one special instance. The onus is on you to gain consensus for that. Also, you asked by what rationale this would be considered useful. I'm sure that you are aware that there are many people in the world who have no interest in building an encyclopedia, but who would like to use Wikipedia to make various kinds of self-serving statements, and who try to create a false appearance of general community support for positions that serve their own individual interests. This is undoubtedly something that happens with respect to political issues more than most other kinds of issues. BD2412 T 22:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  PackMecEng, by reverting my edit, you perpetuated an edit war rather than stop it. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:47, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  That's a touch rich, don't you think? "If you shoot back, you'll be perpetuating the war instead of stopping it", said the guy who shot first. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 23:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

  Levivich, such is the nature of edit wars, is it not? At what point does it become an edit war? Was it my edit? Or PackMecEngs? – Muboshgu (talk) 00:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

  On Wikipedia, the war doesn't start until the second shot is fired? I'm pretty fanatical about not removing people's talk page comments except in very clear-cut cases (obvious vandalism, WP:DENY, etc.), so I would say the "first shot" in the Great Talk:Joe Biden Edit War of April 21, 2020, was fired by the first editor to remove another editor's talk page comment, which I believe makes you the second shooter and PME the third; both participants, yet neither one instigators. But who's counting? Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 04:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

This SPA tagging and reverting also came up a few days ago. If the tagged user objects to being tagged, there is no good faith reason to revert it back against their will. There's also no need to tag every comment in a thread. It wasn't necessary for Muboshgu to bring up BD's status as an admin as any justification for why their added tag had any more weight than one added by a non-admin. Finally, BD's comment Alternately, you could make a few thousand edits improving articles on diverse topics unrelated to your issue, and then your opinions on that issue might be given some weight by readers. goes against the open and collaborative nature of the project, and can be safely ignored. Mr Ernie (talk) 07:18, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

It's not necessary to tag every comment in a thread, but there are good faith reasons to revert the removal of the tag over the user's objections. Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 14:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Baseball player

Hey i hope all is going well I like your baseball player articles, I just got drafted by the Redsox this year would you be able to make a biography about me on Wikipedia let me know what you can do, thank you. Baseballfan4 (talk) 22:21, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Baseballfan4, well, congratulations. Even though I'm a Yankees fan. If you want to have a biography on Wikipedia, we need reliable sources that establish notability. If there's not enough for a full page, there would still have to be some to qualify for Boston Red Sox minor league players. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I have a some articles written on me Baseballfan4 (talk) 20:25, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Baseballfan4, such as? – Muboshgu (talk) 17:31, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm assuming this user is also Boston4you (talk · contribs). Eagles 24/7 (C) 17:41, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Eagles247, could be, though it would be disappointing to see the use of multiple accounts. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:48, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Bill de Blasio

Dear User:Muboshgu, I notice that you reverted my edits at the article about Bill de Blasio. I actually did not mean to revert you, but my mouse clicked on the rollback button. Given that the revert occurred, I did reword the statement in light of your edit summary. Nevertheless, De Blasio's opposition to the field hospital set up by Samaritan's Purse has been noted by major publications, such as The New York Times, which you removed. I would welcome further rewording of the newly added information, but I do not believe that a wholesale revert is appropriate. If you disagree, we can open a section on the talk page of the article and invite others to comment. I hope this helps. With regards, Anupam^Talk 23:35, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Additionally, I noted the reason that you removed the information and references from the article; please kindly refer to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Fox News. Thanks, Anupam^Talk 00:11, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Anupam, other publications have picked it up, but that doesn't mean it's not WP:UNDUE to mention it. I will look at what language you reinserted later. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:02, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Editing

Election results and endorsements are sourced correctly. You can not skew this page to match your views. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Polysciprofessor (talk • contribs) 16:59, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Polysciprofessor, nor am I. You're copy-pasting directly from articles. That's not allowed under any circumstances. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:01, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu, it looks like they re-added the text from https://www.sba-list.org/candidate/beth-van-duyne. -- LuK3 (Talk) 17:18, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Remedy for the celebrity photo of Jillian Bell?

I thought I picked the right license for the photograph. How can I remedy this? Xanderox (talk) 20:08, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Xanderox, what license is that? I didn't see any Creative Commons license. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:20, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

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Pat Toomey

Hello, you recently protected Pat Toomey due to disruptive POV editing by an IP range at 72.86.138.xxx. Well, they're back. Just wanted to let you know. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 13:45, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

ZimZalaBim, I see it's been taken care of for the time being. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:35, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

European water polo championships

Hi, I got a problem with Pelmeer10. Please, this is official LEN medals table for both competition, men's and women's. You can see what I say so many times - Medals from USSR belong to Russia, and from Yugoslavia to Serbia. Check this, please

However, read this

Serbia clinches 4th title in a row, though Spain falls only in shootoutFor the first time in the history of the European Water Polo Championships, the penalty shootout decided the title and it was retained by Serbia, despite an electrifying performance of the host Spaniards. This was the Serbs’ 8th gold medal, and the 7th in the last nine editions since 2001. Croatia got rid of its demons and clinched the bronze medal after four lost matches played for the third place in the past.

So, this is the prouv what i talking about, and Pelmeer10 delete this BudvaMontenegro (talk) 15:38, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

This is a content dispute I am not involved in. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:27, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

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2018 Santa Ana mayoral election

I was going to recreate the article with many more details, like a map and more citations, but it got deleted before I had the chance to add them. Kart2401real (talk) 16:19, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Kart2401real, the article you put there was basically the same exact article as was deleted by a discussion. That discussion determined that the subject is not notable. Please see WP:CSD#G4. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:27, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Stacey Abrams

There seems to be a bit of a kerfuffle on this article, the bit about her having never won a contested election. I would appreciate your comment on this matter. --''Paul, in Saudi'' (talk) 12:45, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Aaron Judge edit.

Jose Altuve is a fucking cheater. Aaron Judge won MVP. Jose Altuve didn't deserve MVP, so therefore Aaron Judge is MVP — Preceding unsigned comment added by GusTheBus09 (talk • contribs) 16:03, April 28, 2020 (UTC)

@GusTheBus09: like it or not (and I don't), Altuve won the AL MVP award in 2017. If you vandalize pages again, you will be blocked from editing. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:10, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Stonecold415

Is there anything that can be done to educate or block this user from editing? I'm sure you have seen it on many of the baseball player pages (I focus on updates for indy & foreign leagues). A substantial amount of his edits are bad, whether it's not following the proper MOS (one sentence subsections), adding unsourced content, or more recently, creating player pages for indy league players that clearly violate WP:Notability. Like this one. I'm getting really sick of having to constantly track his edits and revert most of them - especially for the pages I follow closely. I've pointed this out before on his talk page and so have you, but he doesn't seem to be changing his ways at all.

I get that in some cases, he's adding more information to some of the player pages and thus keeping things updated. But in most cases he's just adding content verbatim from that player's MiLB or Baseball Reference page in one-to-two sentence subsections without sourcing anything. I really don't think those are productive edits.

Just wanted to ask if you'd been seeing the same and if you had any suggestions for dealing with this. He's been an active user since 2018, but it's just frustrating to have to continually babysit him and revert all of his edits.

Thanks for your time and appreciate your hard work! Pozzi.c (talk) 20:41, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Pozzi.c, yes, I am aware of what you are talking about. It may be time to elevate the situation to an appropriate noticeboard, like WP:AN/I, to get consensus for whether or not this editor should have restrictions placed on them. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:51, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Bias against mainstream media

Muboshgu, you accused me of having bias against mainstream media.[3] I stated that "mainstream media are often not RS", and I believe that the media's treatment of the Tara Reade story will serve as a notable example where the mainstream media has not been reliable.[4] The Columbia Journalism Review notes that the story "struggled for traction in the mainstream media",[5] and links to The Guardian story, "Why has the media ignored sexual assault and misbehaviour allegations against Biden?" My opinion is based on my interpretation of what the sources say. Please take back what you said about my bias. Kolya Butternut (talk) 20:15, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, your opinion is your personal bias. It's okay to acknowledge that. We all have our biases. You are looking at what the CJR says and the question the Guardian has asked and come down on the side of the MSM not doing its job, and that's but one interpretation of the situation. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:29, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Please take back your use of the word "bias", which I interpret to mean "prejudice", as in "the mainstream media demonstrated bias against Tara Reade". Kolya Butternut (talk) 20:39, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, I believe that when you say things like "the mainstream media demonstrated bias against Tara Reade", that proves my point. That isn't just random words you put together but your opinion, correct? We go with what the reliable sources do, not criticize them for how we perceive them to have failed. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:45, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Also, "bias" and "prejudice" are not the same thing, and I am not implying you are prejudiced. Biases that are not checked can, though, become prejudices, and we all have to be aware of the possibility of that. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:02, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

It's hard to see how you're speaking in good faith when you don't acknowledge the usual meaning of your words. When you say that you're noting my bias against the mainstream media, that doesn't sound like you're just acknowledging my evidence-based opinion. "Bias" may not be the same as "prejudice", but it is an "Inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair." Please take back your use of the word.[6] Kolya Butternut (talk) 21:13, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, perhaps I have not been clear enough in the terminology? Bias is human. Prejudice is acting upon that bias. You believe the MSM is not giving proper weight to the story, rather than acknowledge that her story has been inconsistent and that might be the reason it hasn't gotten as much press as you think it should get. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:06, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm disappointed with you. Kolya Butternut (talk) 23:20, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, sorry to disappoint. I do not think we are seeing eye to eye on what we are talking about here. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:25, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

I think I see things very clearly, and your overall behavior which I have witnessed recently has disappointed me. I expect better from administrators. Kolya Butternut (talk) 23:28, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, I'm not some robot. I'm a human with my own biases. And I don't serve as an administrator in the post-1932 U.S. politics realm, except in obvious cases of vandalism that require a block or page protection. I don't know what you expect. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:34, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

For starters, I expect you to not only say things that benefit yourself. Kolya Butternut (talk) 23:44, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, I don't take your meaning on that. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

You're arguing in one direction, the direction that benefits you. Kolya Butternut (talk) 23:55, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

This comment does not make sense. The project as a whole benefits from distinguishing reliable sources from unreliable ones, based on the track record of sources in vetting their content. The fact that a generally reliable news source may be scooped by others has no bearing on its reliability. However, one of the standards of accurate journalism is the fullest possible investigation of stories before reporting them. It's not our role as an encyclopedia to guess at the internal processes of news outlets. BD2412 T 00:24, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

From 30,000 feet, Kolya Butternut, it looks as if you have some underlying concerns that remain unstated. When you say "I'm disappointed in you" "things that benefit yourself" etc.-- there's nothing in this thread that really relates to those words,which do however suggest a profound issue that remains unsaid. I wonder whether you might try to state your frustration in entirely different terms? Is there some alternative approach that might be difficult but would be clearer and possibly would elicit get responses from other editors that you'd find more constructive, or at least less opaque. SPECIFICO talk 00:40, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

It might seem opaque to you because this doesn't concern you. Kolya Butternut (talk) 00:58, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

No, it's pretty clear—some of us have been around long enough to have substantial experience with editors seeking to present a conspiratorial view as an encyclopedic narrative. What is unclear is what you mean by "benefit". Are you proposing that Muboshgu gains some individual benefit from supporting the view substantially held by the community with respect to what sources are reliable? BD2412 T 01:57, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about, but I'm talking about conduct, not content.  Kolya Butternut (talk) 02:07, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

No, your first post was directly related to the ultimate issue of what constitutes reliable sources with respect to some very specific content. You appear to assert that "the media" is acting as a single-minded entity with respect to content covered in a particular article or set of articles. BD2412 T 02:15, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Sigh.  I can't make you see something that you don't want to see.  Conduct has context, the context here is not terribly important.  You're misinterpreting what I'm saying and what I believe.  But again, this doesn't concern you.  Kolya Butternut (talk) 02:21, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I still have no idea what you mean about my "conduct" "benefiting" me. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:46, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I feel like you have a bias in favor of yourself at the expense of the truth (as most people do, however). Kolya Butternut (talk) 15:55, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Look, Kolya Butternut, this is getting a bit much. As an uninvolved admin in the AP area, comments such as: it's hard to see how you're speaking in good faith [etc.] are a concern to me. Doubting the good faith of editors in good standing is a bit of a non-starter. El_C 16:05, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, El C. Do you mind subjecting yourself to patrolling Joe Biden related articles for the next six months? I'll give you all of the barnstars if you do.

My editing in Wikipedia articles is about the subjects of the articles, I do not appear in any of them so I'm still befuddled by the comment. Doesn't every person have a "bias in favor of [themselves]" in life? How exactly is it "at the expense of the truth"? – Muboshgu (talk) 16:12, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Muboshgu, sounds like fun-in-the-sun! I'm not sure what I'd do with that much excitement, though. El_C 16:17, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

El C, ha! Hillary-related articles became a mess in 2016. It may be just as bad, if not worse, this year. You're a quality admin without bias in this area. Maybe we need to recruit a few more. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:21, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words, Muboshgu. Certainly, I'll do what I can to help. El_C 16:41, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry, El_C, but that's how I feel. I suppose I could have said "It's hard to see how what you're saying is honest..." That way the focus is on the behavior rather than the individual, and allows for the possibility that any possible dishonesty may be unintentional. That being said, I do not appreciate you joining the conversation by what I feel is tone-policing my grievance. Muboshgu, I think you might have been unintentionally interpreting my words pedantically.  I am saying I feel like you may have taken actions influenced by bias at the expense of the truth. Kolya Butternut (talk) 16:28, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

And to clarify yet again, I am not discussing article content. Perhaps I'll just leave it with a simple request: please make an effort to demonstrate more cognitive empathy. Kolya Butternut (talk) 16:37, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, I am alerting you that you are skirting the line between what are legitimate queries and what is otherwise. I think my congnitive empathy is just fine. But I'm asking you to please do better. El_C 16:41, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

No, El_C, I have not judged your cognitive empathy; I have asked Muboshgu, and now I am asking you, to please demonstrate it. Twice now you have inserted yourself into my conversation to alert me of my word choices while giving no words to the content of my communications. Regardless of whether you find my grievance to have merit, I have a valid experience, as we all do. In the future please show that you are understanding. Kolya Butternut (talk) 17:07, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Kolya Butternut, this is becoming tendentious. Please leave Muboshgu in peace and just move on. Whatever point you had has either been advanced, or not, but continuing with these exchanges has become inappropriate. El_C 17:12, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree that this exchange has become tendentious, but I am disappointed that you continue to engage in the same behavior about which I have complained, and you do not take responsibility for your own part here. Good day. Kolya Butternut (talk) 17:26, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kolya Butternut: the root of the problem here is that you are making cryptic accusatory pronouncements. To the outside observer, it certainly seems that you are saying that there is a secret "truth" that the media as a whole is conspiring to cover up, and that an editor's agreement with our existing policies defining reliable sources is somehow benefiting from this. An attack wrapped in riddles is still an attack. Speak plainly. I'm beginning to doubt your ability to do so. BD2412 T 17:30, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kolya Butternut: I also find your conduct here tendentious. This makes the fourth administrator who finds your behavior troubling. I would truly recommend that you modify how you interact with others. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 17:34, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

BD2412, I think the root of the problem is that you're not hearing me. As I have repeatedly stated, I am not discussing content. And I attempted to put the focus on the simple concept of "cognitive empathy". My grievance is over conduct and personality conflicts which are commonplace on Wikipedia. Please don't project conspiracy theories onto me. If you'd like to continue this conversation on your talk page or mine, please do, but we're not talking about the same thing.

78.26I, am attempting to extricate myself from this discussion, so please do not make any more comments about my behavior on this talk page where I will not have the opportunity to respond. I am hearing a fourth administrator express concerns about my conduct, and a fourth administrator not communicate understanding of the content of my concerns. Kolya Butternut (talk) 17:41, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

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2020 coronavirus pandemic in France

Please repair statistics (Appeltree1 (talk) 09:12, 2 May 2020 (UTC)). On 22:51, 1 May 2020 you remove dashes, the graphs are now not correctly presented. Kind regards (Appeltree1 (talk) 09:12, 2 May 2020 (UTC)).

Appeltree1, I don't see anything that got broken by my edit? – Muboshgu (talk) 16:46, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Date formats in citation coding

Re this, I wanted to confirm that you're aware that the templates now render these dates according to the "Use xxx dates" template when one is present, regardless of how they are coded. If you think the format in the coding is important, fine with me, but I don't bother. To me that's like coding |last=|first= because that how names are rendered, when it makes more sense to code them in the order you see them. In news sources, that's almost always "First Last". ―Mandruss ☎ 05:39, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Mandruss, yeah, I know. It's the WikiGnome in me though. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:30, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Edits

Why not investigate missing years in a Democrat “judge’s” background, instead of deleting the most likely option? This person came here from Columbia, by way of Mexico, with nothing to fill in the blanks between appearing here and graduating from college/becoming a citizen on the same day. Rydercat (talk) 04:44, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Rydercat, Wikipedia is not a source of investigative journalism. Mind your WP:BLP violations. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:13, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Elise By Olsen

Hi Muboshgu,

when having a look at the history of Elise By Olsen, do you agree that the undeletion may have been done for a sockpuppet? Should we at least draftify it? ~ ToBeFree (talk) 12:39, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

ToBeFree, looking through the article history, I would be shocked if User:Loveolsen is not User:Elisebyolsen. Elisebyolsen was blocked with a soft block, though. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:03, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, yes; this would be fine. They seem to have been hardblocked as "Martheemilien" shortly after, however. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Silly me not looking deeper into the edit history. I would not be surprised if the three accounts were done by the same person. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:19, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

No worries, thank you very much for the quick assessment. I think the encyclopedia does benefit from the article, and from the edits. The article has also already been reviewed by an independent reviewer, so there's not much to do there. I have added a conflict of interest tag, updated the list on the talk page and blocked the account for now, but I don't think reverting the edit or the move would help. It's more of a formality and probably fine as is. The COI tag and the block can probably be removed sooner or later. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 15:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

ToBeFree, agreed. I'm a member of the deletionist society, so I had some thought of taking it to AfD, which would at least provide some credibility to it if kept, but I don't feel strongly enough about it to nominate it personally. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Page move

Can you please move this page into a page that you salted a few months ago? - Akhiljaxxn (talk) 17:32, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Akhiljaxxn,  Done – Muboshgu (talk) 17:40, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Immigration Question

I might be barking up the wrong tree, but I saw that you had chimed in[7] on the Illegal Immigration name change a few years ago and I recognize you from some baseball edits. I'm in a debate about a character in the film Knives Out being referred to as an illegal immigrant or an undocumented worker. There's reliable sources using both terms. Is there any standard for that? The article title is Illegal Immigration, but "undocumented immigrant" could mean a few different things. Where would be a good place to figure out which term should be used for immigrants in country illegally? Or does it even matter and both can be used interchangeably? Some guidance would be useful. Thanks! - Nemov (talk) 14:49, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Nemov, the general idea is that No one is illegal. A person can be undocumented, but not "illegal". Here's a good article on it from The Guardian.[8] – Muboshgu (talk) 15:40, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm well aware of that activist concept, but a person being called "illegal" is different than the status of "illegal immigrant." Undocumented doens't really many anything, but I guess I'll drop it... looks like I've walked into a hot button political discussion. Thanks again for your time! Happy editing. - Nemov (talk) 15:45, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

United States Senate career of Joe Biden

You added a few references to

• Gadsen 2012

in that article, but without a full citation it's impossible to know what they reference is. Could you add them please?

Also if you use User:Svick/HarvErrors.js, you'll be notified of these errors in the future. If you don't know how to install it let me know, I'll walk you through it. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:05, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Headbomb, I split the content from Joe Biden. I'd have to look into it to figure it out. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Turkey page protection

The full page protection for Turkey has now been expired for 3 hours already. You can indef semi protect the article again, as the person responsible for temporary full protection isn't online right now. Thank you for your time! DoanVN (talk) 00:46, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

DoanVN,  Done – Muboshgu (talk) 00:57, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Han Chinese revdel

As you revdel'ed there, WhoAteMyButter's revert at 22:00 UTC still has the edit summary (and thus the Fu'erdai LTA vandal's screenname) visible. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 23:44, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

CaradhrasAiguo, thanks for pointing that out! I miss those reverting edit summaries sometimes. I'll double check all of that account's edits to make sure I didn't leave any behind. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Why did you undo all my edits, lock the page and not even respond to me?

The first sentence of Michael Avenatti's page also states that he represented a legal client. Why don't we just remove the word "attorney" from that sentence as well then? Why is it only "convicted felon" that you have decided is unworthy of being on an article? (For the reason that it was later mentioned in the same sentence) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DeaconShotFire (talk • contribs) 13:03, May 15, 2020 (UTC)

@DeaconShotFire:, the opening sentence already says he's a felon, so you're repeating information already given in the sentence. Meanshile, this was a slow moving edit war (which I acknowledge participating in), and nobody should edit war. Discussion should happen on talk pages, not in back-and-forth edit summaries. I said what I needed to say in my previous edit summary, you reverted anyway, so why would I revert again with another edit summary? I maintained the established version and protected the page to stop disruptive editing. I also opened a talk page discussion that you can participate in at Talk:Michael Avenatti#Opening sentence to discuss whether or not we should change the opening sentence from its status quo to something else. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

FYI

Did you mean to put your comment down in the discussion area, or did you intend to add it to the rest of the !Votes in the RFC above? Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 18:56, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

AzureCitizen, d'oh. I'll fix. Thanks for pointing that goof out. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:57, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Bob Watson

On 16 May 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Bob Watson, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Black Kite (talk) 11:49, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

marie yovanovitch

Why would you revert my non-POV, well sourced, and relevant edit? Then protect the page on your own accord for no apparent reason? You even changed it back to show her as being currently being a US diplomat and member of foreign service even though she's retired and "was" both of those things? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:DC00:1820:BD82:7739:E387:AE4E (talk) 19:15, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

All of those edits were POV nonsense pushed by right wing sources that aren't credible. Those WP:BLP violations cannot stand, and clearly you would have tried to reinsert them. We start articles with "was" only for people who are deceased. And she isn't retired. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:18, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

My edit was not POV in the slightest and you know it. My source was a main stream news organization and you know it. Articles don't start as was just for deceased people. It does so for career status also. She is absolutely retired from federal service (literally a few lines down in the lead). If you don't like the word was than change her job to her current position and put was for federal service. They weren't BLP violations and you know it.

Also try and assume good faith like a Wiki administrator should. You have no reason at all to assume I would have reinserted, try and lose the personal attacks. You're an administrator, act like one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:DC00:1820:BD82:7739:E387:AE4E (talk) 19:26, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Also completely unnecessary blocking view of the edits so. The only rationale I can think of is so others can't see the reasonable edit and the source and question your revert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:DC00:1820:BD82:7739:E387:AE4E (talk) 19:30, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

I deleted edits that are serious BLP violations. John Solomon is not a reliable source. He's the one who fed nonsense to Giuliani, kicking off the failed attempt to manufacture dirt on Joe Biden in the Ukraine. My actions were necessary. If you want to contest them, go to WP:AN/I. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

I saw you requested my page on Theresa Greenfield to be deleted. Given she has a legitimate chance of winning the office she is running for, which is a major federal office (the United States Senate), I ask you to remove the request to delete the page, for it might be recreated later on anyway if she wins the election.

Thanks, -Tony. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tony456002 (talk • contribs) 05:51, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Merely having the possibility of winning office, and becoming notable, doesn't get one a wiki page. She's not notable unless she wins the election, or other things happen that make her notable. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:51, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Stubbing contest and such

Hi, Muboshgu. OK, so I totally don't understand how this stubbing contest and US50K thing works. When I create an article related to the U.S. am I supposed to list it in that general list at Wikipedia:The 50,000 Challenge? And if it was since May 1 should I also add {{WPUS50}} to the talk page? Does it have to be on the general list to add the tag? With a little explanation I can probably figure that much out. But do I have to list it at the time I write the article? Or can I add things retroactively now that I have learned about it? In one place they say this has been going on since 2016, and I have probably done dozens of such articles since 2016; should I add them now? I have done at least one other article since May 1, should I add it and tag it? I have never paid much attention to the various "contests" up to now, and I must say the instructions are less than clear. Thanks for any help. -- MelanieN (talk) 04:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

MelanieN, yeah we list the articles there, and add the template to the talk page. You can list anything from December 2016 onwards. It's been going on so long that I admit I'm a little forgetful of the details beyond that. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:50, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. From looking it over: At first I thought it was trying to count or tally the articles being added. But I realized it couldn't be that; they are having trouble finding 50,000 over a period of years, and we probably get at least 10,000 US-related articles every month. I QPQed a nice article about a California lake just this week; they are very common. This contest is an encouragement for people to write such articles, with a competition and potential reward thrown in for those who are into that kind of thing. I don't really think I am into that stuff so I think I will pass. In fact it looks like more hassle than fun. But thanks for the suggestion and the information. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:17, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

P.S. I just looked at my own statistics. I have written only six five (one was a DAB) articles so far this year, and while all of them are about US-related subjects, they are not specifically about the US or the states; they are about American people or operas or such. I'm not doing nearly as much writing as I did before becoming an admin - and before getting involved with riding herd on American political articles. How about you? -- MelanieN (talk) 19:20, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

MelanieN, same. I'm writing a bit less. Then again, my two main areas are (1) U.S. politics and (2) baseball, and I just can't with baseball right now due to the COVID delay. WPUS50k takes a very broad definition of "improved" though, so as long as you think it's an improvement, it can get listed. It has been somewhat of a hassle for me to remember at times though. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Jon Godfread

On 23 May 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Jon Godfread, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Jon Godfread is the world's tallest politician, according to Guinness World Records? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Jon Godfread. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Jon Godfread), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

--Guerillero | Parlez Moi 12:01, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Have seen you around a bit and...

Just wanted to thank you for bringing much-needed sanity, caution, and reason into editing and discussion. You have the qualities of a good administrator. RedHotPear (talk) 05:04, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

RedHotPear, thank you! – Muboshgu (talk) 16:58, 23 May 2020 (UTC)