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:I'm not an expert, and this is a statement of its importance ''to this project'' and not a statement of its overall importance to the world. As you clearly state elsewhere, this subject is of great interest outside of medicine. Doubtless a wikiproject that dealt with another area would consider it to be a much higher priority. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 16:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC) |
:I'm not an expert, and this is a statement of its importance ''to this project'' and not a statement of its overall importance to the world. As you clearly state elsewhere, this subject is of great interest outside of medicine. Doubtless a wikiproject that dealt with another area would consider it to be a much higher priority. [[User:WhatamIdoing|WhatamIdoing]] ([[User talk:WhatamIdoing|talk]]) 16:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC) |
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=="Major cases of positional asphyxia-related deaths in police custody" needs better sourcing or to be removed== |
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<u>None</u> of the sources (except for the Times <u>opinion</u> piece, even mentions the term "positional asphyxia" (and doesn't state Garner died of it)—so this is WP:SYNTH and WP:OR at best. Worse, the George Floyd the official preliminary report <u>specifically stated there were no signs of asphyxia</u>, and the autopsy found that he died of a heart attack, not asphyxia; only a private autopsy paid for by the family's attorneys had any such finding. The ME in the David Smith case said he died of "mechanical asphyxia" but the article describes a legal settlement, and never uses the term. I would absolutely remove the Garner and Floyd cases, or at the very least make clear that there were <u>allegations</u> of asphyxia that were never proven. And if the "prone restraint" is the larger issue, then perhaps this should be in another article. |
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There are other problems with the article—such as the source for the entire lead being taken from an original source not known to be reliable and is specifically about "hog-tied" subjects, not simply the position they're in. [[User:Tambourine60|Tambourine60]] ([[User talk:Tambourine60|talk]]) 23:39, 12 June 2020 (UTC) |
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Crucifixion
I've heard that one of the usual ways people ultimately die during crucifiction. Is this true, and if so is it worth mentioning here? Dan 05:49, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Assessment
Apparently some self appointed 'expert' thinks this topic is 'low importance' Go figure - I thought it killed people and resulted in multi-million dollar law cases. If Wikipedia is going to start having 'experts' to rate articles, I'd like to see the qualifications/publication track record of the rater. At least proper peer reviewed sources use genuine experts on the article to conduct the review. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.80.244 (talk) 17:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not an expert, and this is a statement of its importance to this project and not a statement of its overall importance to the world. As you clearly state elsewhere, this subject is of great interest outside of medicine. Doubtless a wikiproject that dealt with another area would consider it to be a much higher priority. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
"Major cases of positional asphyxia-related deaths in police custody" needs better sourcing or to be removed
None of the sources (except for the Times opinion piece, even mentions the term "positional asphyxia" (and doesn't state Garner died of it)—so this is WP:SYNTH and WP:OR at best. Worse, the George Floyd the official preliminary report specifically stated there were no signs of asphyxia, and the autopsy found that he died of a heart attack, not asphyxia; only a private autopsy paid for by the family's attorneys had any such finding. The ME in the David Smith case said he died of "mechanical asphyxia" but the article describes a legal settlement, and never uses the term. I would absolutely remove the Garner and Floyd cases, or at the very least make clear that there were allegations of asphyxia that were never proven. And if the "prone restraint" is the larger issue, then perhaps this should be in another article.
There are other problems with the article—such as the source for the entire lead being taken from an original source not known to be reliable and is specifically about "hog-tied" subjects, not simply the position they're in. Tambourine60 (talk) 23:39, 12 June 2020 (UTC)