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Really an important figure

Cem Sultan is an important figure in the history of the Ottoman Dynasty. He was similar to his father Mehmed II. He was a warrior, he was a reformist(he used to love modern things just like his father). On the other hand, Bayezid II was conservative and he was more like a diplomat rather that a commander. It is only a guess but if Cem Sultan could be the Emperor, he would conquer more and maybe he could complete the campaign of Otronto(Invasion of Italy) which Mehmet II started just before his death(murder). With respect, Deliogul 21:38, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On "in television"

Alexander VI was elected pope a few years before Djem died, so his presence in the show is not anachronistic as stated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.54.174.236 (talk) 16:39, 24 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sultan Cem

I moved the page from Cem Sultan to Sultan Cem. The reason is simple: The word "sultan" when used after a name denotes a woman. Like Valide Sultan or the daughters of the Ottoman Sultans. Some Ottoman historiographers have used "Cem Sultan" instead of "Sultan Cem" for not recognising his de facto sultanate (sat on the throne 3 weeks in Bursa, before he was forced to escape from the country), although Cem complied with everything proper of a Sultan: Coins with his name, referral of name in friday prayers, and the most important the "biad"(notification of loyalty) of high court officials of the time. I will develop the article with sources to clarify these issues. Please give me some time. --E4024 (talk) 22:54, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 June 2020

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Sultan Cem → Cem Sultan – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Plus Sultan after the name is not a title for women, Mehmed the Conqueror used the titles ... Sultan for their sons. See here if you want check yourself. From Mehmed's letter: "Sağ kol alayını oğlum Bayezid Sultan kumandasına verip, Mihal oğlu Ali Bey, .." So the move above was without consensus, I request to remove back to Cem Sultan. Beshogur (talk) 12:34, 18 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support this should not have been moved in the first place. Constantine ✍ 12:48, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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	[[:Sultan Cem]] → {{no redirect\|Cem Sultan}} – Per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. Plus Sultan after the name is not a title for women, [[Mehmed the Conqueror]] used the titles ... Sultan for their sons. See [https://dspace.ankara.edu.tr/xmlui/bitstream/handle/20.500.12575/64868/145.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y here] if you want check yourself. From Mehmed's letter: "Sağ kol alayını oğlum Bayezid Sultan kumandasına verip, Mihal oğlu Ali Bey, .." So the move above was without consensus, I request to remove back to Cem Sultan. [[User:Beshogur\|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur\|talk]]) 12:34, 18 June 2020 (UTC)		[[:Sultan Cem]] → {{no redirect\|Cem Sultan}} – Per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. Plus Sultan after the name is not a title for women, [[Mehmed the Conqueror]] used the titles ... Sultan for their sons. See [https://dspace.ankara.edu.tr/xmlui/bitstream/handle/20.500.12575/64868/145.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y here] if you want check yourself. From Mehmed's letter: "Sağ kol alayını oğlum Bayezid Sultan kumandasına verip, Mihal oğlu Ali Bey, .." So the move above was without consensus, I request to remove back to Cem Sultan. [[User:Beshogur\|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur\|talk]]) 12:34, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

			* '''Support''' this should not have been moved in the first place. [[User:Cplakidas\|Constantine]] [[User talk:Cplakidas\| ✍ ]] 12:48, 19 June 2020 (UTC)