Talk:Ludwig van Beethoven

Harv error

Taruskin 2004 throws error "Harv error: link from CITEREFTaruskin2004 doesn't point to any citation." The reference list shows only Taruskin 2010. Is this the same work and just another edition. Please provide full citation of Taruskin 2004. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grimes2 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 19 April 2020 (UTC) Grimes2 (talk) 05:32, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

• Apologies, now corrected ref to Taruskin (2010). Just for clarity's sake, the 2010 edition (which I am using) is titled "Music in the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries". On the verso of the title-page it is noted "originally published as: Oxford History of Western Music. Vol. 2 The seventeenth and eighteenth centuries." But that is not the title of the edition I am using.--Smerus (talk) 08:57, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Typo in sources list

In the sources list, entry for ISBN 9781107015388 is listed as "[...] the Enlightnement to [...]". The word "Enlightnement" contains a spelling error, it should be "Enlightenment". Could someone please correct it? --Kvadropups (talk) 08:56, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Use wikidata infobox

I think we should start changing all the infoboxes with wikidata information rather than local. The current version of the infobox is almost the same as the one we would have by using wikidata. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afernandez.52 (talk • contribs) 10:29, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

No. Wikidata is a steaming turd of a project. Populated with unsupported or uncited material, easily vandalised (with so many less editors to watch articles), the "data" it unthinkingly dumps into articles goes against many of the guidelines we have, and it also includes the fucking stupid pencil icons at each line. That's the initial reaction, but I could list a shed-load of more problems that mean Wikidata baoxes are utterly horrible and should never be used. p.s. Could you please try to remember to sign your comments? - SchroCat (talk) 10:44, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

I believe we should use local, and please discuss this first, generally. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:59, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

• As some may have noticed, I am in the (extended) process of rewriting this article, with the hope of getting FA in time for LvB's 250th. I've more or less done the life, will be starting soon on the music. Then I will put my version to peer review. Can I suggest we leave issues such as infobox until then? Best, --Smerus (talk) 16:25, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

  You were not talking to me, no? (Changed indent.) - No, I think the idea to use Wikidata ibox (whether for Beethoven, or - worse - for all) is not good, and we should deal with it now, and not wait. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

  Well whatever the outcome I am absolutely against Wikidata ibox, here or anywhere!--Smerus (talk) 08:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

  So am I, in articles. I'd understand a talk page entry (when no ibox is there, and no warning to add one present) saying: "Wikidata has this" (showing), and then discuss for that article. Every approach to do anything with infoboxes for more than one article is breaking the arbcom ruling to discuss each article individually. (This is also true, imho, for the general advice not to add an ibox to classical composers' articles.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:14, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Was Beethoven black?

The real truth Blacklivesmatter20 (talk) 18:39, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

I haven't seen a single reliable source for this yet I have seen dozens that say he was white, I highly doubt that this is true. 87.74.226.64 (talk) 19:14, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

This subject has been covered (fairly extensively in one case) on this talk page before. [1][2][3] Magic♪piano 00:00, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 June 2020

Beethoven was a black man. He was called a Moor growing up for his dark skin. The picture by Karl is a white washed misconception that Wikipedia allows to live on. If this page is false I’m sure just about everything published by you all are just as untrue. 2605:6000:170F:A0F0:3023:23BF:3025:86D4 (talk) 18:53, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Favonian (talk) 18:54, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Beethoven Black

Dear editors and semi-protected edit requestors. Don’t bother asking to even mention Beethoven being black. This is a classic example of WP:UNDUE because it is only a fringe theory and does not belong in this article. Your request will be denied. Thanks, Anon0098 (talk) 22:56, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

So if there’s concrete evidence that shows he was indeed Black, the article would be changed, right. AfroWorld33 (talk) 17:37, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Protection

Can we please add protection for this page? SirNonlop (talk) 00:54, 23 June 2020 (UTC)