Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 December 28

December 28

Template:Pokenum

Template:Pokenum (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

The theory behind this is very interesting. Templates used for forward compatability are cool, in theory. However, after a lot of waffling about how it is necessary because of reasons that assume a number is necessary, nobody at WT:PCP has come up with a reason that any number at all should be included. Thus, we just have a place for vandals to insert penises into 494 articles at once, with no good use. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 05:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Comment I think we should keep the fact that it's been vandalized out of the argument. The George W. Bush article has been hit by a lot of vandalism, I'm sure, but it hasn't been deleted. It's unfortunate that people have vandalized this template, but that shouldn't be grounds for deletion. --Brandon Dilbeck 05:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I should have clarified that more. My rationale for deletion doesn't include vandalism, that's just there to be kinda sorta funny, and to preemptively counter any "It doesn't do any harm!" comments. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 05:31, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

How about an "it shouldn't do any harm!" comment? We shouldn't have to write articles on Wikipedia considering whether it'll be vandalized. We should just write articles and revert vandalism when it happens. My take on this TfD is Keep. The template can be immensely useful if and when more Pokémon are released. The Pokenum template is used in many articles so that when a new Pokémon is released, writers do not have to search through Wikipedia to find the old number and edit the whole article to insert the new number. A few months ago, when the new Pokémon Diamond and Pearl species were being released, the Pokenum template was being updated frequently with new numbers. The Pokenum template is not used only in the individual Pokémon species, either. It's used in several articles such as Pokémon, and oddly enough, in a lot of user namespace as well. --Brandon Dilbeck 05:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me please. AAA AAAA AAA AAAAAAAA AA AAAAAAAA!. Now, why must everyone sidestep my question? Why must there be a number at all? And if it doesn't do any help, then even a theoretical harm should suffice for deletion. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 05:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Keep, the template in question allows for the numbers in all the Template:Pokenum articles to be altered at once, rather then having to go through all of them and do it by hand. It is importent to have then number, because pokemon, as an notible anime/game/etc, the pokemon are it's bread and butter. The Total number is almost mystical, if you will. it is, in some ways, symbolic of the whole 'got to catch them all'. --Honeymane_{Heghlu meH QaQ jajvam} 05:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

• I brought this up on the talk page there a month ago, and no one seems to have been able to justify it. We don't define helium, for example, as "Helium is one of a 118 chemical elements"; it is defined by its properties, what it is, not by some total number of other entities in the same class, which is almost totally irrelevant. —Centrx→talk • 05:56, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
  • That would be rather funny. "Helium is one of the 118 chemical elements of the periodic table..." -Amarkov ^blah_edits 05:57, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and above. There's no reason to give an exact number of pokemon in every other pokemon article. If you want an exact number, then view one of the main articles. Like Centrx said above, we don't do this for other articles. It's not major or anything, just unnecessary. The con's might not be huge, but neither are the pro's. There's no good reason for this template, and reasons to get rid of it. So.. I'm not sure what the big deal is. -- Ned Scott 06:07, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

• keep just because the template shouldn't be used on every single page in the intros, doesn't mean that it doesn't still have use. The template can still be used in general prose throughout the variety of articles. And is still pertinent for articles that might fly under the radar who refer to the number of pokemon in existence (e.g. Eyecatch). Sure remove it from {{pokestart}}, and all Template:Pokenum species articles that use it for the sole purpose of saying X is one of Template:Pokenum species of pokemon, but like in this sentence, it can still be useful and is used in other manners across all of wikipedia (templates' usability is not confined to the article namespace, and there are many non-article pages that use this template as well - what links to Pokenum). -ΖαππερΝαππερ ^Babel_Alexandria 06:25, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
  • I don't see why we need a template for that. We don't have a template for the number of elements discovered, nor for the number of Digimon, so why here? -Amarkov ^blah_edits 06:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
    • because when the number changes that means any article that quotes the number will be wrong. the number of pokemon changes much more often than the number of elements. it's a small cheap template that saves people the headache of trying to track down any article that might mention the current number of pokemon, and it is still useful in non-article namespaces (if it wasn't it wouldn't be used). -ΖαππερΝαππερ ^Babel_Alexandria 06:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:Pokestart

Template:Pokestart (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This is not a good idea. Templates are not meant to write articles, and we should not be encouraging a copypaste approach. See somewhat related TfD at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 December 10#Template:Pokerefs. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 05:08, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Delete Several people have written at the Pokémon Collaborative Project and several of the individual Pokémon species articles, explaining that the template is useless and that if people really wanted to know the information in the Pokestart paragraph, they should just click the blue Pokémon wikilink and read about Pokémon there. The grammar in the Pokestart paragraph consists of very long sentences separated by many, many commas and dashes that make it difficult to read smoothly. --Brandon Dilbeck 05:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Delete per nom and above. -- Ned Scott 06:09, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:2006-07 NHL season

Template:2006-07 NHL season (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Template was created for a list of articles documenting results of all games for each month of the NHL season. Those articles were deleted in this AfD debate. With these articles removed, the template becomes redundant with Template:2006-07 NHL season by team, and thus is not needed. --Resolute 01:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. The template is only possibly useful for articles which were deleted, and for good reason. Okay, so I misunderstood there, but it is still redundant. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 05:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)