Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2020 August 4

4 August 2020

Cup Foods

Cup Foods (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

The only thing this redirect shared with the one deleted with RFD a month and a half ago - an eternity in this content area - is its title. The target was different, the content at the target was radically different, and WP:G4 requires that the content be substantially identical. Further, speedy deletion had already been independently declined by two different admins (User:Tavix at WP:AN#Cup Foods; then myself on the redirect itself before seeing the AN section), both saying it needs a new discussion, so it's plainly not uncontroversial. —Cryptic 19:21, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

• Overturn per my comment at WP:AN. Note that I had advocated for keeping the redirect in the prior RfD, so I would be too involved to decline the speedy. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• That title's a plausible search term for instant soup, and also an easter egg link for something to do with George Floyd's killing. List at RfD so we can reach a consensus to disambiguate in an orderly way.—S Marshall T/C 21:58, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Overturn Once a speedy is declined, particularly by an admin, an editor who favors deletion ought to proceed via another process, normally an XfD discussion. This was upheld here recently. Beyond that, the content was not similar, so this was not a valid G4 speedy, even had there never been a decline. Restore promptly, and let anyone who favors deletion do an ordinary RfD nomination. Dennis Brown should have known better. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:45, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• List at RfD - List at RfD so that a full discussion about the new redirect can take place. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:40, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• Overturn. WP:G4 operates not based on the size of the diff, but on whether the recreation addresses the previous reasons for deletion. You can completely rewrite an article from scratch and it'll get G4'd if it doesn't bring any new sources to the table. However, for a redirect any new target which did not achieve consensus to reject (or simply wasn't discussed, in this case) at RfD is ineligible for G4. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 01:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• Endorse the consensus at the RfD was that this title shouldn't redirect to an article about the death of George Floyd which happens to mention the store in passing. It's been recreated as a redirect to an article about the death of George Floyd which happens to mention the store in passing. The same decision applies. Hut 8.5 07:36, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• Can someone please share the two redirect targets? Target A was about George Floyd, if target B is about, say, Nissin then it's a clear overturn and if it's about a different Floyd/protest-related article it's a clear endorse. SportingFlyer T·C 07:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
• My thinking was exactly what Hut 8.5 said. Only 6 weeks had passed since it was deleted and the redirect clearly violated the spirit and the actual words in that RfD. The proper way to recreate that redirect would have been at review. Both articles cover the same event and are clearly linked. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 10:54, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Blackman in European kitchen

Blackman in European kitchen (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

It might be necessary to write this article new, but I would do it only if it is clear, that this is not just promotion with fear of speed-deleting. PeterBraun74 (talk) 06:48, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment Looks pretty promotional. No independent sourcing. Would need a total rewrite with information from WP:RS. Please see User:deepfriedokra/g11 for my standard G11 deletion message --Deepfriedokra (talk) 13:45, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Endorse G11 This was unsourced and in my view rather promotional, and the promotion was already present in early revisions. It also was not clear if it was about the poem or about the poet (Emmanuel Eni), while we have a different article about the poet now also at DRV. There is no bar to recreation, but if recreated, please start with independent, reliable sources, and make the article strictly aboi7ut the poem, not the poet (although of course the poet would need to be mentioned). If I were mentoring an editor wanting to create such an article, I would advise the use of draft space or a userspace draft, but that is a choice, not a requirement. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:56, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

  DES makes good points. I would recommend WP:AfC just to have the time to develop the page with less likelihood of deletion. Barring further WP:g11 content of course. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 15:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

• This reads like a machine translation. —Cryptic 15:44, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
• Endorse reasonable call, there was plenty of promotional text and if it was all removed there wouldn't be much left. There were other problems with the article, e.g. the subject of the article is a poem, but the opening sentence says it's about a poet. We could restore it to draft space for improvement. Hut 8.5 17:38, 4 August 2020 (UTC)