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Christianity

There is apparently a misunderstanding around an article which is being sourced here from the NYT entitled "Pope Concedes Unjustifiable Crimes in Converting South Americans". :https://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/world/americas/24pope.html The title of this article is absolutely fictional, since nowhere in the article did Pope Benedict make ANY such assertion. The quote in the article is that it is “not possible to forget the suffering and the injustices inflicted by colonizers against the indigenous population, whose fundamental human rights were often trampled.” Nothing about Forced conversions. If someone has ANY materials where the Pope stated there were "forced conversions" or coercion or anything to that effect, then this source would be legitimate. As it stands, it is not.

Hinduism

What is Soul harvesting? That article does not exist; mention of which seems to be attributed to a non-reliable blog source. El_C 01:59, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Plenty of material and videos available on Soul Harvesting - conversion of Hindus to Christians in India by missionaries. Well known term used by Christian organizations.

https://www.harvestindia.org/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.189.212 (talk) 02:02, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please review our guide to reliable sources, which your source seems to fail, still. The article Soul Harvesting does not exist on Wikipedia, still. Thanks. El_C 02:13, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your issue is with the phrase "soul harvesting". Well. Did you do any research or looked up the phrase? I am guessing not. Clearly you have no idea about the conversion practices of Christian missionaries of South Asia. One of the link is from Youtube other is from SoulHarvest.org. SoulHarvest.org is avery infamous Christian conversion organization. One Youtube video has been quoted by 64...., if you research there are several other similar videos. These are not fake videos. 3rd Link is just an analysis of "Soul Harvest" and techniques used by "Soul Vultures" (term missionaries use for themselves). I am suggesting you reduce your level of ignorance on the sub-topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.189.212 (talk) 23:40, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm not inclined to do your work for you. El_C 17:31, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

UNDUE

There seems to be an UNDUE focus on forced conversion in Pakistan and the UK. While forced conversion in Pakistan is a real problem, the current article devotes more space to it than any other sub-section in the article. And the section on the UK is more about allegations of forced conversion and rebuttals to those allegations than about actual substance. Both of these sections should be summarized per WP:UNDUE.VR _talk 15:42, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Forced conversion to Islam

In the section on Africa, why no mention of Boko Haram, of the Chibok schoolgirl kidnappings and subsequent forced conversion of some if not all of the kidnapped girls, as well as instances of forced conversions of other people in the African subcontinent? Kathy wiki edit (talk) 02:12, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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+There is apparently a misunderstanding around an article which is being sourced here from the NYT entitled "Pope Concedes Unjustifiable Crimes in Converting South Americans". :https://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/world/americas/24pope.html The title of this article is absolutely fictional, since nowhere in the article did Pope Benedict make ANY such assertion. The quote in the article is that it is “not possible to forget the suffering and the injustices inflicted by colonizers against the indigenous population, whose fundamental human rights were often trampled.” Nothing about Forced conversions. If someone has ANY materials where the Pope stated there were "forced conversions" or coercion or anything to that effect, then this source would be legitimate. As it stands, it is not.
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