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Robert is not a notable member of the Trump family. The only reason people know he exists now is from his death announced by Donald. None of the sources show any coverage that meet GNG or the appropriate SNG (BIO in this case). Masem (t) 13:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Masem (t) 13:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith (talk) 13:14, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith (talk) 13:14, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Family_of_Donald_Trump#Robert_Trump, as it used to be, per nominator. --Tone 13:14, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As usual, people are misinterpreting WP:NOTINHERITED. Robert Trump did not need to have done anything of note in his own right. The real question is if there is in-depth specific and detailed coverage of him by reliable sources. There is plenty of that. There are obituaries in many newspapers, like this one in NYT [1], which specifically covers the life of Robert Trump, as separate from Donald. In addition, there was Robert Trump's lawusuit against the publication of Mary Trump's book that received a lot of coverage in June-July. That is also new compared to 2017. Plenty enough here to meet the requirements of WP:GNG. Nsk92 (talk) 13:21, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Generally, cover of an event like a trial does not necessarily make a person notable per WP:BLP1E. There has to be more about that. The fact that we're only getting coverage with obits is a bit worrisome showing that there was little notability before his death and only because his connection to Donald is he getting more attention now. --Masem (t) 14:38, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The person's notability stems from a widely-notable person relative to him as is the case with this article (e.g. US President). --CaeserKaiser (talk) 13:47, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets WP:BIO and WP:GNG. Plenty of media coverage about him. This is Paul (talk) 13:51, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. He's the brother of the most powerful person on Earth, FFS. Wjfox2005 (talk) 14:04, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- That is an argument we flat out reject per WP:NOTINHERITED --Masem (t) 14:11, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, come on now! I !voted to keep, but the reason you give is exactly what WP:NOTINHERITED specifically excludes: Merely being related to someone famous (even the most bigliest very famosest person of them all) is not a valid reason for keeping the article. The question is if significant specific and detailed coverage of him exists. You'd have to provide a better rationale than being "the brother of the most powerful person on Earth". Nsk92 (talk) 14:14, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and suggest speedy close. WP:RS in the target article indicate notability before the death. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per WP:NOTINHERITED and Tone. What sources there are would not exist if not for his brother being the US President, and even the obits discuss him in relation to his family. The fact he filed a lawsuit does not establish notability for him personally, as it all had to do with the Trump family. I don't believe the sources establish him as notable on his own. The information on Family of Donald Trump seems sufficient. Rhino131 (talk) 14:18, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The reasons those sources exists are immaterial. The fact that they exist and that they provide specific and detailed coverage is what makes him notable, by definition of notability in terms of WP:GNG. Nsk92 (talk) 14:23, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that the sources do not establish him as notable outside of his family, so that a separate article is not warranted outside of Family of Donald Trump. Rhino131 (talk) 15:00, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Lot of media coverage, also was influential in the Trump Organization Lochglasgowstrathyre (talk) 14:20, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. He wasn't notable enough to have an article before he died, coverage of his death doesn't override WP:NOTINHERITED or WP:BLP1E. Black Kite (talk) 14:48, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and suggest speedy close per LaserLegs. --Patriccck (talk) 15:02, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the arguments given by Nsk92. Andysmith248 (talk) 15:05, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Commment Those that want to keep, please show demonstration of sources before his death that show in-depth/significant coverage of him. The lawsuit is not detailed coverage him but just an event he was involved with and can be covered in other notable topics. --Masem (t) 15:10, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Why?? Coverage is coverage, and coverage after death also counts towards notability. There is no artificial division in WP:GNG in notability "before" and "after" death. Nsk92 (talk) 15:41, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete He doesn't appear to be notable. I couldn't find any articles of his notability before his death other than some about how he's been sick and hospitalized in the past, that he was employed by Donald Trump's company and was retired, and more recently that he tried to stop the publication of a family member's book. Two Bananas (talk) 15:26, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per WP:NOTINHERITED, nearly ever single source that I looked at is about Donald Trump and then mentions his brother as an after thought. Inter&anthro (talk) 15:30, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep While he wasn't known by the public, this Wikipedia page existed before he passed away, meaning many sources had written about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by M. Martinez 2020 (talk • contribs) 15:33, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep whilst it is not well known before his death, this article about him was existed before, many reliable source found in that. 182.1.235.54 (talk) 15:44, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:BLP1E as well as WP:RECENTISM. —Brigade Piron (talk) 15:47, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as before. Nothing worthwhile to say about him that can't be done in the Family of Donald Trump article. P-K3 (talk) 15:50, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There is a lot of media coverage about him. Telescopegenius (talk) 15:56, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Delete''', per [[WP:NOTINHERITED]] and [[WP:BLP1E]] as well as [[WP:RECENTISM]]. —''[[User:Brigade Piron|Brigade Piron]]'' ([[User talk:Brigade Piron|talk]]) 15:47, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 *'''Redirect''' as before. Nothing worthwhile to say about him that can't be done in the [[Family  of Donald Trump]] article. [[User:Pawnkingthree|P-K3]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 15:50, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' There is a lot of media coverage about him. [[User:Telescopegenius|Telescopegenius]] ([[User talk:Telescopegenius|talk]]) 15:56, 16 August 2020 (UTC)