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Non-notable topic. This article is an original research essay on a topic not supported or discussed by secondary sources. It can't be resolved. The essay is contrived from a collection of 6 articles/citations which contain the words "dog" and "camp". The error is that they have inappropriately mixed together four completely different variants/definitions/meanings of the word "camp". Cites 1, 3 & 4 refer to camp meaning "a place in the country for vacationers with outdoor recreation". Cite 2 is about "doggie daycare". Cite 5 is about a boot camp (intensive training). Cite 6 is about a camp site in Alaska, per "a place where an army or other group of persons or an individual is lodged in a tent or tents or other temporary means of shelter" (in this case, a seasonal location where snow is still available for those who regularly operate dogsled teams to continue training during certain seasons). Since four different meanings of the word "camp" have been mixed together, one isn't going to find any secondary sources discussing "this topic". As such, it is not notable or appropriate for Wikipedia. Normal Op (talk) 00:31, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Animal-related deletion discussions. Normal Op (talk) 00:31, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

• Delete/merge Reviewing the sources, agree with nom that this is original research synthesizing together sources on unrelated topics, with no source defining "dog camp" as that listed in the article. Kennel can largely cover this topic with a partial merge, as any place that takes dogs while their owners are away is still funamentally a kennel, even they provide more "running free" and "socializing experience" than merely keeping them in cages and going on walks. It it completely inappropriate to lump together a place that trains Alaskan malamutes how to be sled dogs with with a human camp with cabins or tents that for three days twice a year lets owners bring and teach pets. Reywas92^Talk 01:16, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: I didn’t know dogs go to camp. I have heard of dog daycare. Zoe1013 (talk) 01:23, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. I can find no secondary sourcing either, and Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. William Harristalk 10:52, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
• Keep This is obviously a cross between a dog park and kennel and so there are obvious alternatives to deletion. It is not difficult to find more coverage such as Dogs in the Leisure Experience. And I'm especially liking that they "typically screen potential canine guests for aggressive tendencies as they do not want to risk fights" – Wikipedia should try this. See also WP:BITE! Andrew🐉(talk) 14:57, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

Rescues go better with man's best friend – brandy!

If members of the WP:Article Rescue Squadron want to participate here to score yet another article "saved", they will need to show notability regarding "Dog camp". That has not been yet been done. "Significant coverage addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content...."Presumed" means that significant coverage in reliable sources creates an assumption, not a guarantee, that a subject merits its own article. A more in-depth discussion might conclude that the topic actually should not have a stand-alone article" A one sentence mention of "Camp Canine" in one book does not cut it. Additionally, I have no idea why WP:BITE was mentioned, perhaps you might care to explain? William Harristalk 08:07, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

What we've got here is perhaps more barking than biting but I've noticed over the years that the general topic of dogs seems to be quite a battleground -- mastiffs, baiting, breeds, &c. Anyway, if the ARS is needed to find more sources then I'm fairly sure that we can oblige. I thought the book was quite a good source but if that's not enough then see Modern Dog magazine: Dog Camp and Camp Canine. These demonstrate that the topic is notable and so my !vote stands. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:12, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:28, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. From the history, it looks like this article was originally created way back when in order to promote a specific organization, and over time, the promotional material was removed and additional material was added. But, as described by the nom, this material was largely WP:SYNTH combining multiple different uses of the words "dog" and "camp" together, without actually describing a singular concept. As even the source mentioned by Andrew above describes the example of the "dog camp" as a type of kennel rather than a distinct, separate concept, a brief description of that variety could be feasibly added to the main kennel article. But merging information from this article over to do so would not be appropriate, due to the WP:OR and WP:SYNTH issues present. Rorshacma (talk) 16:03, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

• The orginal page was taken to AfD soon after creation and the consensus was to keep the page. The page has sprawled a bit over the years since then but that's not a reason to delete. The topic is naturally broad as different institutions will run their camps in different ways. We have exactly the same issue with the human equivalent, which has numerous variants including weight loss, emotional education, academic adventure, &c. Such variety is not a reason to delete. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:52, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
• Those are generally clean up issues, not reasons to delete. Gleeanon409 (talk) 11:06, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

• Comment. Looking for sources I did find:
  • Cawley, J. "This camp is for the dogs." Good Housekeeping 222, no. 6 (1996): 30-30.
  • Miles, Kathryn. "Dog Is Our Copilot." Ecotone 4, no. 1 (2008): 306-318. doi:10.1353/ect.2008.0083.
  • “FACTS: Pet Ownership.” ASPCA. American Humane Association, 2013. Web. 10 Feb. 2016.
  • Glasser, Marilynn R. Dog Park Design, Development, and Operation. Champaign: Human

Kinetics, 2013. Print.

• • Lederer, R. A Treasury for Dog Lovers. New York: Howard Books. Print. 9 March. 2016.
  • Smith, Cheryl S. Visiting the Dog Park: Having Fun, Staying Safe. A Dogwise Training Manual.

Wenatchee, WA: Dogwise Pub., 2007. Print. 20 Feb. 2016.

• • Stecchi, Susyn. So You Want to Build a Dog Park? A Comprehensive Guide for Municipalities and Private Entities. Sanford, FL: DogParks USA, 2003. Print. 20 Feb. 2016.
  • Wolfe, L. “Pet Products and Services Businesses Serve a Lucrative Industry.” Women in Business,

2009. Web. 20 Feb. 2016.

• • Ulrike Uli Zimolag BScN, BScOT (Honours) (2011) An Evolutionary Concept Analysis of Caring for a Pet as an Everyday Occupation, Journal of Occupational Science, 18:3, 237-253, DOI: 10.1080/14427591.2011.586325
  • The Everything Small Dogs Book: Choose the Perfect Dog to Fit Your Living Space, Kathy Salzberg, Simon and Schuster, 2005; ISBN 1605509116, 9781605509112.
  • Dog Republic helps pet owners be leader of the pack (paywall)
  • Dogs and Big Data, a mini case study
• Will add others if I find any. Gleeanon409 (talk) 11:06, 28 August 2020 (UTC)