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Should the article be deleted?

There's nothing notable about this "movement". Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:46, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How come you'd heard of it, then? Chi Sigma (talk) 17:18, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Because you added it to the 2018 election article. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 17:22, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at your edit history, and that's a lie. Chi Sigma (talk) 17:53, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I want to know why a rebuttal against walkaway has allowed an OPINION as to size and effectiveness of this movement. Walkaway is a movement, there are people who have walked away. Is Wikipedia about facts or opinions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.5.74.106 (talk) 01:09, 8 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I definitely think its notable, should not be deleted. -- Eruditess (talk) 02:36, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"There's nothing notable about this "movement"" is an opinion and doesn't constitute ground for deletion. I landed on this page looking for objective information about #WalkAway. Removing it will create a situation when something that objectively exists is silenced on Wikipedia.Dmitri.zimine (talk) 02:00, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Walkaway campaign has 350,000 members on its Facebook page, thousands of Youtube hits, its been covered by NBC, Washington Times, Fox, CSPAN. It seems more than significant enough to at least warrant a Wikipedia page.Publius0024 (talk) 05:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Effect

To say that the DP's success in the midterms was an EFFECT of the WalkAway campaign is absurd. If this section should be here at all, it should be titled "Effectiveness." ANd even then, it's hard to say what the effect of the campaign actually was. Perhaps the Democrats would have taken even more seats were it not for the campaign, or not lost seats in the Senate.--2600:1700:9580:3FF0:7449:CA44:5462:9428 (talk) 21:17, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This article does seem very biased. From what I can see online this a genuine campaign sincerely representing many former Democrats rejecting its move to the far left. This article seems to be written with the sole purpose of minimising the movement. Anton Gramsci (talk) 15:16, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hard to minimize something with zero relevance. This was NOT a movement, ot was a failed GOP astroturf campaign involving maybe a few dozen people. No reason to promote it. At most, it deserves a subsection on another article. 46.97.170.78 (talk) 13:21, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Similar to Diversity Group if black pastors

Cohen corralled the southern preachers for Trump. The similarities might be noted. Wikipietime (talk) 20:40, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

External links

Official website

I suggest to add an item about the WalkAway campaign's official website. How about adding this draft paragraph near the bottom of the article? With reputable sources. If someone is wondering, no I am not affiliated with the WalkAway campaign. I'm a volunteer contributor to Wikipedia.

External links

Official website^[1]^[2]

Sources

^ "Just What Was Brandon Straka #WalkingAway From?". Gay City News. Gay City News. 2019-06-30. Archived from the original on 2019-08-12. Retrieved 2019-08-13. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
^ Goehner, Larry (2019-03-12). "Liberals, walk away | The Spokesman-Review". www.spokesman.com. The Spokesman-Review. Archived from the original on 2019-08-12. Retrieved 2019-08-13. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

Francewhoa (talk) 00:25, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please add this organization's and Brandon Straka's source of finances

It is vital when talking about political organizations or movements to show sources. The financial aspects tell show truth about these groups. Please add this information to legitimize this page. 101.108.125.133 (talk) 01:59, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Should this article exist?

This was a subsection under Russian web brigades and that is all it should be. Nothing justifies giving this fake astroturfed "movement" it's own article. Especially now, that the subject matter lost all significance. 46.97.170.78 (talk) 13:18, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Russian-astroturfed" hypothesis is already reflected and referenced in the article. If some people honestly expressed their experience, removing their voices on the ground of Russian/other interference doesn't appear objective or reasonable. PS. Using anonymous Romanian IP 46.97.170.78 doesn't carry sense of neutrality.Dmitri.zimine (talk) 02:17, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This article is still relevant, even if based simply on posts on Twitter using the hashtag #WalkAway continuously Bytemaster (talk) 19:24, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Should Wikipedia track Astroturf sites?

From the page About: " The #WalkAway Campaign is a true grassroots movement ... ".

Saw the same claim on the Tea Party site, when it first appeared. Could not find any grass or roots, then - not a single real human associated with the site. Did find in the site markup that it was prepared by a web outfit that did jobs for the Koch organization. (This is all unsubstantiated, as at the time I did not save evidence.) Tried poking around the names offered on the site, and also not finding real folk - then and now.

Are Astroturf sites notable? Yes, as they can have significant effect. As with other propaganda sites, proof beyond doubt is (of intent) not easy.

This is a tricky area for Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pbannister (talk • contribs) 22:40, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of direct quote from Straka

This is about the inclusion of a direct quote from Straka clarifying that the $10,000 donation from Alex Jones and Info Wars was accepted and encouraged:

WalkAway received a $10,000 donation from Alex Jones and InfoWars.^[1]^[2]  When questioned about whether WalkAway accepted the $10,000 donation from Jones and his company, Straka replied, "Yes, we did! And we are so grateful to Alex and everyone else who has helped to contribute to the success of our campaign."^[3]

As Doug Weller points out, per WP:REDDIT, self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves.

Criticisms of this inclusion include:

i am pretty sure that using reddit comments as a source is not allowed

And

Reddit is not a source

As to avoid edit warring, I will refrain from editing this section until a consensus is reached here. My Wiki Alter Ego (talk) 19:08, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

^ Isaacs, Deanna (July 10, 2019). "A dramatic confrontation between the right-wing political group #WalkAway and Theater Wit ends up on YouTube". The Chicago Reader.
^ Fitzsimons, Tim (August 21, 2018). "Meet Brandon Straka, a gay former liberal encouraging others to #WalkAway from Democrats". NBC.
^ "Hi everyone, I'm Brandon Straka, founder of #WalkAway Campaign, a true grassroots movement..."

[1] "Just What Was Brandon Straka #WalkingAway From?". Gay City News. Gay City News. 2019-06-30. Archived from the original on 2019-08-12. Retrieved 2019-08-13. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

[2] Goehner, Larry (2019-03-12). "Liberals, walk away | The Spokesman-Review". www.spokesman.com. The Spokesman-Review. Archived from the original on 2019-08-12. Retrieved 2019-08-13. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |dead-url= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

[3] Isaacs, Deanna (July 10, 2019). "A dramatic confrontation between the right-wing political group #WalkAway and Theater Wit ends up on YouTube". The Chicago Reader.

[4] Fitzsimons, Tim (August 21, 2018). "Meet Brandon Straka, a gay former liberal encouraging others to #WalkAway from Democrats". NBC.

[5] "Hi everyone, I'm Brandon Straka, founder of #WalkAway Campaign, a true grassroots movement..."

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+== Inclusion of direct quote from Straka ==
+This is about the inclusion of a direct quote from Straka clarifying that the $10,000 donation from Alex Jones and Info Wars was accepted and encouraged:
+ WalkAway received a $10,000 donation from [[Alex Jones]] and [[InfoWars]].<ref>{{cite news |last1=Isaacs |first1=Deanna |title=A dramatic confrontation between the right-wing political group #WalkAway and Theater Wit ends up on YouTube |url=https://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/walkaway-theater-wit-hate-speech/Content?oid=71569311 |agency=The Chicago Reader |date=July 10, 2019}}</ref><ref>{{cite news |last1=Fitzsimons |first1=Tim |title=Meet Brandon Straka, a gay former liberal encouraging others to #WalkAway from Democrats |url=https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/meet-brandon-straka-gay-former-liberal-encouraging-others-walkaway-democrats-n902316 |agency=NBC |date=August 21, 2018}}</ref>  When questioned about whether WalkAway accepted the $10,000 donation from Jones and his company, Straka replied, "Yes, we did! And we are so grateful to Alex and everyone else who has helped to contribute to the success of our campaign."<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.reddit.com/r/walkaway/comments/956lnq/hi_everyone_im_brandon_straka_founder_of_walkaway/e3qhxd1/?context=3|title=Hi everyone, I’m Brandon Straka, founder of #WalkAway Campaign, a true grassroots movement...}}</ref>
+As {{u|Doug Weller}} points out, per [[WP:REDDIT]], self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves.
+Criticisms of this inclusion include:
+ i am pretty sure that using reddit comments as a source is not allowed
+And
+ Reddit is not a source
+As to avoid edit warring, I will refrain from editing this section until a consensus is reached here. [[User:My Wiki Alter Ego|My Wiki Alter Ego]] ([[User talk:My Wiki Alter Ego|talk]]) 19:08, 8 September 2020 (UTC)