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:{{ping|Dantheanimator}} Wildfires May be typical for California, but certainly not for Oregon or parts of Washington. It has been on US and some international news for more than a week. Over 2 million acres have burned, even more than the [[2018 California wildfires]], where 1.something acres burned. 10 people dying from fires is considered a lot for developed countries. The Sudan floods are historic, but the article needs to be expanded. '''~''' <span style="color:#00CCFF;">Destroyeraa</span>[[User:Destroyeraa|🌀]] 23:39, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
:{{ping|Dantheanimator}} Wildfires May be typical for California, but certainly not for Oregon or parts of Washington. It has been on US and some international news for more than a week. Over 2 million acres have burned, even more than the [[2018 California wildfires]], where 1.something acres burned. 10 people dying from fires is considered a lot for developed countries. The Sudan floods are historic, but the article needs to be expanded. '''~''' <span style="color:#00CCFF;">Destroyeraa</span>[[User:Destroyeraa|🌀]] 23:39, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' – Target article is largely a table without sufficient prose giving readers context of what's going on, especially for recent events. Sub-articles are an absolute mess as well: [[August 2020 California lightning wildfires]], [[SCU Lightning Complex fires]], [[August Complex fires]], [[CZU Lightning Complex fires]], [[LNU Lightning Complex fires]], [[North Complex (2020)]], and [[Creek Fire]]. This needs a more cohesive article covering the primary events of August–September across the West as a whole as the [[2020 Oregon wildfires]] and [[2020 Washington wildfires]] ([[2020 Washington state Labor Day fires]]) should also be included. ~ [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|chat]]) 01:20, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
*'''Oppose on quality''' – Target article is largely a table without sufficient prose giving readers context of what's going on, especially for recent events. Sub-articles are an absolute mess as well: [[August 2020 California lightning wildfires]], [[SCU Lightning Complex fires]], [[August Complex fires]], [[CZU Lightning Complex fires]], [[LNU Lightning Complex fires]], [[North Complex (2020)]], and [[Creek Fire]]. This needs a more cohesive article covering the primary events of August–September across the West as a whole as the [[2020 Oregon wildfires]] and [[2020 Washington wildfires]] ([[2020 Washington state Labor Day fires]]) should also be included. ~ [[User:Cyclonebiskit|Cyclonebiskit]] ([[User talk:Cyclonebiskit|chat]]) 01:20, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
*'''Support''' (on significance at least, I don't know about quality) - A major disaster with heavy news coverage. Those saying this is typical for the West Coast are simply wrong. While fires occur in the region every year, this year's fires are much worse than normal. It is true that there were also historically large fires in 2018, but that doesn't make this year's less significant. People seem to be opposing because less significant fires have been nominated in other years, leading to the impression that this happens every year. However, if you actually read the articles, it should be clear that this year's fires are of a historic scale. [[User:Calathan|Calathan]] ([[User talk:Calathan|talk]]) 01:31, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


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September 10

September 10, 2020 (2020-09-10) (Thursday)
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September 9

September 9, 2020 (2020-09-09) (Wednesday)
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RD: Ronald Bell (musician)

Article: Ronald Bell (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Cofounder of Kool and the Gang. Article is NOT in good shape but also short enough that could be improved. Masem (t) 23:59, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing removal: 2020 Belarusian protests

Article: 2020 Belarusian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
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Nominator's comments: There were some protests this last weekend but nothing in the two weeks prior as reflected in the article. WP:ITN#Ongoing_section stipulates "the article needs to be regularly updated with new, pertinent information". Except for the big content dump on the 7th I'm not seeing the regular updates with new pertinent information here. LaserLegs (talk) 20:15, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oh sorry I missed that, could you just link to the edit with the paragraph of new information about protests today? Or yesterday? or on the 5th? Just help me out because I couldn't find it. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:23, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Drilling down on the "Europe" section of a half dozen news sites, I can find no mention of this (other that opinion/analysis day-two stories). Ongoing is to prevent continual posting of similar small events from the same larger event. If nothing happens that would even warrant a nomination, than it needs to come down. GreatCaesarsGhost 00:35, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Super Duper Strong Support per above, in the hopes this cancels out the Exceedingly Strong Oppose above. WaltCip-(talk) 01:09, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing: 2020 California wildfires

Article: 2020 California wildfires (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
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Nominator's comments: Fires this year have already caused over 10 deaths and more than $819.95 million in damage. Pretty much in the news every day, trending on Youtube, Twitter, and other social media platforms, viewable from space. Ongoing for the past weeks, and will be ongoing for at least the next few weeks. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:50, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Masem: The west coast is burning up! ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:25, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Dantheanimator: Wildfires May be typical for California, but certainly not for Oregon or parts of Washington. It has been on US and some international news for more than a week. Over 2 million acres have burned, even more than the 2018 California wildfires, where 1.something acres burned. 10 people dying from fires is considered a lot for developed countries. The Sudan floods are historic, but the article needs to be expanded. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 23:39, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jakob Oetama

Article: Jakob Oetama (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jakarta Post
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article was a lot less sourced and fluff piece styled beforehand. Should be a bit more acceptable now. Juxlos (talk) 13:30, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Kenosha protests

(non-admin closure) Already nominated a week ago, when it was actually news, but failed to pass the nomination. SNOW close.~ Destroyeraa🌀 16:52, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Kenosha protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ongoing protests, protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin over the Shooting of Jacob Blake. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Protests in Kenosha, protesters call for the resignation of the police chief of Kenosha, 2 people have been killed in the protests and one police officer injured. The US is experiencing a flood of anti-establishment protests largely based around race issues and inequality.
News source(s): [2] [3]
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  • Nominated by Vallee01 (talk · give credit)
  • Updated by [[User:~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:07, 9 September 2020 (UTC)|~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:07, 9 September 2020 (UTC)]] ([[User talk:~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:07, 9 September 2020 (UTC)|talk]] · [{{fullurl:User talk:~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:07, 9 September 2020 (UTC)|action=edit&preload=Template:ITN_candidate/preload_credit&preloadtitle=ITN+recognition+for+%5B%5BKenosha+protests%5D%5D&section=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=Kenosha+protests&preloadparams%5b%5d=updated}} give credit])[reply]

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Nominator's comments: Article is extremely important to the current discourse and culture currently, with it becoming a very important issue not just for politicans but the general public. It is an extremely devise issue, but the article is fairly decent and maintaining neutrality throughout although there are some POV push sections, but that is to be expected with such a new controversial subject and the editors have been great at maintaining a NPOV and editors seeking conscientious, and understanding and discussing it on the talk page for issues in the article instead of creating personal attacks and starting edit wars. The protests are wounding down but they are still active and are active to the discourse in US politics, often dominating discussions within the Partisan system in the US. Vallee01 (talk) 06:20, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Protests. Not rioting.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:19, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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September 8

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(Posted) RD: Gene Budig

Article: Gene Budig (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; Reuters; MLB.com
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 23:22, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Navalny supporters attacked with chemical weapons

(non-admin closure) Clear consensus against posting. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:39, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Alexei Navalny (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Supporters of Alexei Navalny in Siberia attacked with an unknown liquid (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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Article needs updating
 Count Iblis (talk) 17:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
PS: However, Der Spiegel is carrying an article saying (in German) that unidentified assailants in Novosibirsk attacked the office of Navalny supporters with a bottle containing a "a chemical substance," and two people were hospitalized. Sounds comparatively minor, so far. – Sca (talk) 22:28, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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September 7

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  • Argentine debt restructuring
    • S&P Global Ratings upgrades Argentina's long term sovereign-credit rating to "CCC+" from "SD" citing the end of prolonged foreign and local law foreign currency debt restructurings, effectively pulling the country out of default territory after the country successfully restructured over $100 billion in sovereign debt. (Reuters)

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(Posted) RD: Vaughan Jones

Article: Vaughan Jones (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New Zealand Herald
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 03:54, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2020 Jamaican general election

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Article: 2020 Jamaican general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Andrew Holness (pictured) is sworn in as Prime Minister after the Jamaica Labour Party wins the Jamaican general election. (Post)
News source(s): Jamaica Observer (sworn in), BBC, NY Times
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: The election winner was sworn in on September 7, and the final results were certified on September 8 by the Electoral Commission. Joofjoof (talk) 02:02, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose per John M Wolfson and LaserLegs. Dan the Animator 17:54, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gary Peacock

Article: Gary Peacock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 21:24, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Weak Oppose missing 2 in text-refs. Once that's fixed this is good to go. Dan the Animator 23:16, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020 Sudan floods

Article: 2020 Sudan floods (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 99 people are killed and over 100,000 people homeless in Sudan after being hit by the worst floods since 1988. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Sudan declares a state of emergency after unprecedented flooding kills at least 99 people and leaves over 100,000 people homeless. The floods are the worst on record in Sudan since 1988, while the Nile has risen to its highest levels in a century.
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article is decent and I might be able to expand it later. The notability is self-evident. Dan the Animator 20:13, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article also needs a copyedit for grammar --LaserLegs (talk) 10:14, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment needs expansion, not a stub, not really seeing the puff aspect of LL's elegant opposition. If a flood killed 101 people in Europe or America, it'd be main-paged in minutes. The Rambling Man (Hands! Face! Space!!!!) 21:42, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support Mostly sourced, but missing a ref or two. Information is also a bit scarce; the main section lists "dozens" of deaths while the "100" figure is near the under of the "response" section, which is not very intuitive.  Nixinova   T   C   05:23, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. I'm skeptical about the "disasterporn" aspect of ITN (natural disasters, mass casualty accidents, shootings, etc): while significant to the people involved, they are sadly a routine aspect of human existence and should only be posted if they are so exceptional as to make broad international headlines, which I don't see here. Sandstein 07:13, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now Tragic, but 99+ deaths in flooding/landslides happen often in underdeveloped countries. Article is rather stubby, needs expanison. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 15:10, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Destroyeraa: that's not the only reason why these floods are notable. These floods are more significant than other ones because: the longest (or one of the longest depending on your stance) rivers in the world (the Nile) reached the highest water level in over a century; for the first time in history the Pyramids of Meroë were threatened; and the rates of floods and rain exceeded the records set in 1946 and 1988. I think the first point in itself should be notable. Read the article in its entirety to fully understand the severity of the situation. Dan the Animator 22:28, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability and weak support on quality, no worse than the example article provided at WP:ITN to demonstrate minimum quality standards. Complaints about ITN being overrun with disasters is a problem with many other significant stories lately not being nominated, not with too many disasters being posted. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 22:09, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 6

September 6, 2020 (2020-09-06) (Sunday)
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(Posted) RD: Mike Sexton

Article: Mike Sexton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, NY Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Professional poker player and commentator. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 01:06, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Comment: Is it possible to please cite Early years section? -SusanLesch (talk) 03:20, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose multiple missing in-text citations. Dan the Animator 17:55, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lou Brock

Article: Lou Brock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Looks like a decent article already... Nohomersryan (talk) 22:35, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kesavananda Bharati

Article: Kesavananda Bharati (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times, The Hindu, Indian Express
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Petitioner of a landmark case that led to the Basic structure doctrine of the Indian Constitution. Article has been edited / updated and is ready for additional eyes. Ktin (talk) 05:40, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose no DOB, no early life, "basic structure" statement has 13 inline refs, the paragraph doesn't make clear if Kerala was imposing restrictions on him or an institution he represented, doesn't really indicate what he argued to persuade the court (given he "is acknowledged as one of the key actors" it should say more) and the article overall suffers from WP:PUFF and could use a copyedit for grammar. --LaserLegs (talk) 10:31, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    LaserLegs, Done. Cleaned up the statement that had 13 inline refs. Now more manageable. Also added some more details of the arguments. Did a round of overall content cleanup to do away with WP:PUFF. Also see some streamlining by Destroyeraa (Thanks!) I think, in the current state, the article should be good for RD. Ktin (talk) 15:49, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The article says " attempts to acquire the Mutt's property" and the Matha article says "math, matha or mutt, is a Sanskrit word that means "institute or college", and it also refers to a monastery in Hinduism.". So which is it? Did Kerala attempt to get the land of an institution or an individual? This always happens with these articles where someone points out specific grievances and those grievances are addressed but no one takes the time to actually make the article worth a damn. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:22, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    LaserLegs, Mutt is the anglicized spelling of Matta or Math, and all three are perfectly right spellings as noted here Matha. Regarding, monastery vs institute / college -- I believe they would be both. Typically in these Mutts, as I understand, the monasteries also house centers of learning. Regarding the actual sequence of events, I learnt that the state intended to acquire the land that belonged to the Mutt (as stated in the article). As the chief / head pontiff of the Mutt, the subject of the article filed the petition in the Supreme court. [6] [7]. Ktin (talk) 22:37, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Cool, so which "Mutt" because that's what I have been trying to figure out. Not that it matters now I guess it's posted --LaserLegs (talk) 00:05, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    LaserLegs, all three of the Mutts (Mutt, Matha, Math) are the same as indicated here Matha. Remember that these are transliterations of words from some of the Indic languages and hence the variations in spelling which do not mean much of a difference. Ktin (talk) 00:13, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ktin: LaserLegs was asking about the specific type of institution the word means and which was represented in the court, in this case that would be a monastery of sorts. The meaning of the word should be explained in the article itself as well. Gotitbro (talk) 01:58, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Gotitbro, Not really. The distinction between monastery and institution of learning is usually fluid in Indic Mutts. I don't think you would be able to speak about one without the other in this case. Ktin (talk) 02:35, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Weak Oppose there is still a "needs additional citations" template. Otherwise, it's good. Dan the Animator 19:44, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deadline for a post-Brexit trade agreement

Article: Trade negotiation between the UK and the EU (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ October 15, 2020, is announced as the deadline for a post-Brexit trade agreement with the European Union. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ British Prime Minister Boris Johnson announces October 15, 2020, as the deadline for a post-Brexit trade agreement with the European Union.
News source(s): [8]
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Article is updated and this seems notable enough. I might be wrong though. Dan the Animator 20:20, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 5

September 5, 2020 (2020-09-05) (Saturday)
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RD: Ethan Peters

Article: Ethan Peters (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American beauty blogger, makeup artist, and social media personality TJMSmith (talk) 15:03, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose per Yoninah. It is very stubbish. Dan the Animator 23:55, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah and Dantheanimator: I tried expanding the article to include more about his style and origins. TJMSmith (talk) 03:11, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Though expanded, still stubbish. Only has 8 sources, though still adequately sourced. More information will be needed for this to be posted. Once that is done, I will reconsider my opinion. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 18:07, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Ready) RD: Jiri Menzel

Article: Jiří Menzel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Oscar-winning Czech director Jiri Menzel has died aged 82. Jenda H. (talk) 19:00, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Article has only the lede plus filmography (including TV series). Might require restructuring to break the lede into the body of the article. Furthermore, the filmography section, and the TV series section does not have sources / citations. But, I think this can be remedied with some attention by the group here. Also, the talk page says that this is still in a "stub-class", this will need to be changed to atleast a "start class" prior to WP:ITNRD publish. Cheers.Ktin (talk) 19:24, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have taken a pass at organizing the article into sections, cleaned up the front end, and added a section for his roles as an actor. There is a stylization mismatch between filmography as a director, and as an actor -- If someone thinks this should be changed, please do so. If someone can take a pass at sourcing his filmography as a director, I think this article is close to being ready to go to the homepage. Ktin (talk) 01:43, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Ktin I'm still a bit hesitant. It's definitely better but there's a few films in "As an Actor" subsection that appear to be unsourced. There also seems to be more films shown in the list then the sources have (in As a Director sub-section). See my edits to the page. Will change once at least those are added. Dan the Animator 22:20, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Dantheanimator, Oh that is an easy explanation. The sources added in the rows were only for those not already covered by the three sources above the table. If they were already covered by those (i.e. BFI, RT, and TVG). Last night we had added a citation needed against rows that were not covered by those three sources (that were added by Bloom). Subsquently Jklamo filled those entries. Ktin (talk) 23:03, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Any volunteers to help cleanup the filmography section (formatting + references reconciliation)? Once that is done, this article is ready to go to the home page. The window of opportunity is today.Ktin (talk) 21:48, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 4

September 4, 2020 (2020-09-04) (Friday)
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(ready) RD: Lloyd Cadena

Article: Lloyd Cadena (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Filipino vlogger, radio personality, and author. Died from cardiac arrest and tested positive for COVID-19. TJMSmith (talk) 15:42, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good catch, I removed the copied material. TJMSmith (talk) 03:14, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Joe Williams

Article: Joe Williams (Cook Islands politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RNZ, Newshub
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former PM of the Cook Islands. First notable COVID-19 death in New Zealand.  Nixinova   T   C   22:33, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Kosovo–Serbia agreement

Discussion has been open for 48 hrs and consensus to post is not going to develop. -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:52, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2020 Kosovo–Serbia agreement (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Kosovo and Serbia have agreed to normalize economic relations and Kosovo mutually recognize Israel. (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Historic agreement. --Sakiv (talk) 18:32, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The article's been substantially improved now.--Sakiv (talk) 14:53, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Reopened following premature non-admin closure; most of the opposes above concern article quality rather than clear notability issues. SpencerT•C 00:10, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose It is a notable event, but notability itself is not enough. We have an obligation to readers to present them with topics that have undergone fact-checking. I have raised a very serious issue on the talkpage: there never was a Kosovo-Serbia agreement. The Trump administration put forward that narrative likely for its own election-related reasons, but Kosovo and Serbia never signed an agreement with each other. Each signed a non-binding document with the Trump administration and delegations from both countries have stated that they never signed an agreement with each other. The title, the narrative and many other details must be fact-checked.--Maleschreiber (talk) 01:12, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose A glorified photo op doesn't deserve front page coverage. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 19:34, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: David Graeber

Article: David Graeber (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, CNN, DW
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Graeber was an polemicist and one of the most publicly visible anthropologists of the last few decades. He was also a noted left-wing activist. The article has been updated by Joe Roe, Boredintheevening, Wukai and others. —Brigade Piron (talk) 15:45, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose Missing int-text refs. Dan the Animator 19:29, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 3

September 3, 2020 (2020-09-03) (Thursday)
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(Closed) MT New Diamond

No consensus to post. Stephen 05:28, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: MT New Diamond (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Fire erupts at the MT New Diamond, a very large crude carrier in the eastern coast of Sri Lanka. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least one person is missing in a fire which broke out at the MT New Diamond in the eastern coast of Sri Lanka.
News source(s): Channel News Asia, Reuters, France 24
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: This is gaining wide media coverage. Abishe (talk) 17:17, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait At this point, its not a "disaster" as such. No oil has spilled as they rush to contain the fire, and only one person on board is missing. It could get worse, but if all that this ends up one death but no ecological impact, that's not really a ITN event. --Masem (t) 17:22, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait One death. Wait until fire is under control-more info will come. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 17:24, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose death toll is a meaningless metric but the article is disjointed and stubbish. Write a paragraph or two on the vessel itself (builder, owner, laid down, etc). The problem with all of these articles is that they don't say much because not much is known and it'll either stay that way forever or it'll get expanded but by then it'll be opposed as "stale". Personally I don't like featuring these disaster stubs on the main page but it does seem to be the thing to do. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:35, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Oppose Let see if there is a spill or more deaths. Good nom on a developing story, but now apparent not ITN-worthy. Albertaont (talk) 19:46, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the sentiment, but that's a rather unfortunate way of expressing it? —Brigade Piron (talk) 21:25, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What's unfortunate is the event, not what we say here. – Sca (talk) 22:26, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
They're not mutually exclusive! —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:05, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's out. – Sca (talk) 14:31, 6 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) GW190521

Article: GW190521 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A merger of two intermediate-mass black holes is detected by LIGO and VIRGO (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Massive blackhole, 100-1000 times the mass of the sun, is detected by scientists at LIGO and VIRGO.
Alternative blurb II: ​ First-time confirmed detection of two small black holes merging near a third larger one, and associated with a coincident and uncharacteristic flash of light.
Alternative blurb III: ​ A black hole in the mass gap is detected for the first time by LIGO and VIRGO.
News source(s): Bangkok Post Northwestern NASA, NYTimes, The Astrophysical Journal, Physical Review Letters, LIGO
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Intermediate mass black hole used a bit loosely. The key point is that the black holes are in the "mass gap". Banedon (talk) 08:07, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Technically the gravitational wave has been observed rather than the merger. Stephen 08:20, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I think that is a distinction without a difference. I am not writing this; I am typing it. You are not seeing this; the light is entering your eyes which sends a signal to your brain, which interprets the signals as sight. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 08:51, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Most of what's significant about this event is not yet captured in the page describing it. I aim to put some effort into that now; let's see how far I get. Nick Levine (talk) 08:51, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm a little happier about this now; I've captured what I thought was most important. I think it might be worth going ahead with announcing this, while it's fresh, even though the article could do with some more work (can't they all). Nick Levine (talk) 10:05, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is an interesting event, but one which has been overplayed in the media. The current blurb is misleading, as they were not IMBHs prior to the merger. The actual novelty here is finding a black hole in the mass gap, yet that's never mentioned in the article. Instead the article focuses on the idea that the product of the merger is an intermediate mass black hole, which depends on the definition you pick and the latter article shows there has been plenty of evidence of those before, even if it was more indirect. The EM counterpart stuff should be taken with a massive grain of salt; the association is far from proven. As an astronomer I find this very interesting, but I'm not convinced that a more accurate (i.e. toned down) article and blurb would appeal to ITN readers. Modest Genius talk 10:35, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
These black holes are not just in the mass gap, they're also in the range where they can conceivably constitute 100% of dark matter (see Fig 6 of [9]). I don't know what field of astronomy you're in but I'm finding this pretty damn exciting. Banedon (talk) 12:02, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That appears to be WP:OR, as I've not seen any reliable sources that explicitly link GW190521 with dark matter. Modest Genius talk 12:49, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
[10] see section 6.3 of the paper. It's not the only possible explanation, but it's a possible one, and it's pretty damn exciting. Banedon (talk) 13:05, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
One paragraph in the section on scenarios which are "disfavored either by the data, or by low prior probability of the alternative hypothesis, or by both". Modest Genius talk 15:37, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
They can't have written much more, given the unknown prior probability. Besides, anything they write except very general statements (which is what they've written) is likely to be wrong. They say as much, "we do not attempt to quantify such scenarios". You can be sure though cosmologists are going to be looking at the result, I already know some who are. Banedon (talk) 23:01, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose Pretty darn exciting. Nothing recent stated in blurb-needs to be updated. Article also needs to be expanded and updated with new info from new papers.~ Destroyeraa🌀 13:33, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Often scientific discoveries or conclusions from research are announced long after the actual findings, in order to allow for peer review and other rechecking. 331dot (talk) 13:36, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The results were published yesterday. It takes time for scientific results to be verified, analysed, written up, peer-reviewed etc. That it took a year to publish this event should not have any bearing on whether to feature it in ITN - the news is now. Modest Genius talk 15:34, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You might be looking at a wrong source - the NYT article is from June; it's currently September. Banedon (talk) 03:14, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • No denying this isn't interesting or cool. Fascinating. However blurb needs to reflect something about the new scientific papers - all the blurbs say right now is that LIGO and VIRGO detected the merger, which happened more than a year ago. ~ Destroyeraa🌀 21:56, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Of course. It's called serving the reader. – Sca (talk) 22:28, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Rambling Man TRM -- do you believe that this is an article worth posting on ITN, but, the blurbs are not doing justice and hence the oppose? If so, it will require some collective effort, but, we can polish the blurb. However, if folks believe that the article is fundamentally not for the homepage, then, no amount of polishing the blurb will help. Ktin (talk) 23:24, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I like that idea. Posting. --Tone 12:58, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW - seems consistent with the following => According to astrophysicist Vicky Kalogera of Northwestern University, “This is the first and only firm/secure mass measurement of an intermediate mass black hole at the time of its birth ... Now we know reliably at least one way [such objects can form], through the merger of other black holes.”[7] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drbogdan (talk • contribs) 13:08, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting comment – Re "a black hole in the mass gap" – is this similar in its effects to the chrono-synclastic infundibulum? America wants to know. – Sca (talk) 13:58, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe "An intermediate-mass black hole is observed…" would be less jargony? The "mass gap" is just "the range between 'small' and 'large' black hole masses", which, until now, no observed black hole has been in. --47.146.63.87 (talk) 00:32, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Reuters staff (26 August 2020). "Barnier says Brexit deal needed by late October to ensure safe ratification". Reuters. Retrieved 8 September 2020. {{cite news}}: |author= has generic name (help)
  2. ^ a b Cofield, Calla (25 June 2020). "Black Hole Collision May Have Exploded With Light". NASA. Retrieved 3 September 2020.
  3. ^ a b Overbye, Dennis (25 June 2020). "Two Black Holes Colliding Not Enough? Make It Three - Astronomers claim to have seen a flash from the merger of two black holes within the maelstrom of a third, far bigger one". The New York Times. Retrieved 3 September 2020.
  4. ^ a b Abbott, R.; et al. (2 September 2020). "Properties and Astrophysical Implications of the 150 M ⊙ Binary Black Hole Merger GW190521". The Astrophysical Journal. 900 (1): L13. doi:10.3847/2041-8213/aba493.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)
  5. ^ a b Abbott, R.; et al. (2 September 2020). "GW190521: A Binary Black Hole Merger with a Total Mass of 150 M ⊙". Physical Review Letters. 125 (10): 101102. doi:10.1103/PhysRevLett.125.101102.
  6. ^ a b Staff (2 September 2020). "GW190521: The Most Massive Black Hole collision Observed To Date" (PDF). LIGO Scientific Collaboration. Retrieved 3 September 2020.
  7. ^ Overbye, Dennis (3 September 2020). "These Black Holes Shouldn't Exist, but There They Are - On the far side of the universe, a collision of dark giants sheds light on an invisible process of cosmic growth". The New York Times. Retrieved 4 September 2020.

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