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*Keep - an alternative option could be renaming something like the Arrest of Kafeel Khan article. Also, I disagree with Numan765's view of the subject's attention-seeking approach. She was thrown behind the bars when the CAA issue as well as the protests took a backseat. --Hindustanilanguage (talk) 19:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC) [[User:Girdlast888|Girdlast888]] ([[User talk:Girdlast888|talk]]) 09:18, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
*Keep - an alternative option could be renaming something like the Arrest of Kafeel Khan article. Also, I disagree with Numan765's view of the subject's attention-seeking approach. She was thrown behind the bars when the CAA issue as well as the protests took a backseat. --Hindustanilanguage (talk) 19:59, 24 May 2020 (UTC) [[User:Girdlast888|Girdlast888]] ([[User talk:Girdlast888|talk]]) 09:18, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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'''Oppose''' activists are usually arrested by the police, and hence renaming this to the '''Arrest of Safoora Zargar''' is redundant. [[Safoora Zargar#Political activism]] and [[Safoora Zargar#Online vilification]] sections indicates that the subject is notable and relevant to the current title. [[User:TheBirdsShedTears|TheBirdsShedTears]] ([[User talk:TheBirdsShedTears|talk]]) 09:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' activists are usually arrested by the police, and hence renaming this to the '''Arrest of Safoora Zargar''' is redundant. [[Safoora Zargar#Political activism]] and [[Safoora Zargar#Online vilification]] sections indicates that the subject is notable and relevant to the current title. [[User:TheBirdsShedTears|TheBirdsShedTears]] ([[User talk:TheBirdsShedTears|talk]]) 09:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''': She is an activist and despite arrests there are more information as activist is available. Like personal life section about her marriage is from a interview when she was not in the controversy and is from independent source. Remaining the thing the {{u|Girdlast888}} said, Kafeel Khan was a doctor. Safoora is activist and there is lot of info available out of her arrest. — [[User:TheChunky|<b><i><span style="text-shadow:3px 3px 4px darkgray;"><span style="color:#0000A0">The Chunky urf <i> Al Kashmiri</i></span></span></i></b>]] [[User talk:TheChunky|<sup><i><span style="color:green">(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)</span></i></sup>]] |
*'''Oppose''': She is an activist and despite arrests there are more information as activist is available. Like personal life section about her marriage is from a interview when she was not in the controversy and is from independent source. Remaining the thing the {{u|Girdlast888}} said, Kafeel Khan was a doctor. Safoora is activist and there is lot of info available out of her arrest. — [[User:TheChunky|<b><i><span style="text-shadow:3px 3px 4px darkgray;"><span style="color:#0000A0">The Chunky urf <i> Al Kashmiri</i></span></span></i></b>]] [[User talk:TheChunky|<sup><i><span style="color:green">(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)</span></i></sup>]] |
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*'''Comment''' Safoora Zargar was pregnant when she was arrested and she is solely notable for this and coverage was due to this.She fails [[WP:GNG]] as an activist and during the AFD the two editors who keep Devonian Wombat and Hindustanilanguage also wanted the name to be changed to Arrest of Safoora Zargar and this is a clear case of [[WP:1E]]. [[User:Girdlast888|Girdlast888]] ([[User talk:Girdlast888|talk]]) 10:06, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
:*'''Comment''' Safoora Zargar was pregnant when she was arrested and she is solely notable for this and coverage was due to this.She fails [[WP:GNG]] as an activist and during the AFD the two editors who keep Devonian Wombat and Hindustanilanguage also wanted the name to be changed to Arrest of Safoora Zargar and this is a clear case of [[WP:1E]]. [[User:Girdlast888|Girdlast888]] ([[User talk:Girdlast888|talk]]) 10:06, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:'''Reply:''' Reference number 12 is not from the after arrest. It is an independent source and is of 2018, when she was simply an activist. Thank You. There maybe more sources of her activism available in media coverages. — [[User:TheChunky|<b><i><span style="text-shadow:3px 3px 4px darkgray;"><span style="color:#0000A0">The Chunky urf <i> Al Kashmiri</i></span></span></i></b>]] [[User talk:TheChunky|<sup><i><span style="color:green">(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)</span></i></sup>]] 11:07, 11 September 2020 (UTC) |
:'''Reply:''' Reference number 12 is not from the after arrest. It is an independent source and is of 2018, when she was simply an activist. Thank You. There maybe more sources of her activism available in media coverages. — [[User:TheChunky|<b><i><span style="text-shadow:3px 3px 4px darkgray;"><span style="color:#0000A0">The Chunky urf <i> Al Kashmiri</i></span></span></i></b>]] [[User talk:TheChunky|<sup><i><span style="color:green">(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)</span></i></sup>]] 11:07, 11 September 2020 (UTC) |
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'''Oppose''': She is notable as an activist, which got her arrested. Not vise versa. ([[User:Ashique2020|Ashique2020]] ([[User talk:Ashique2020|talk]]) 19:10, 9 September 2020 (UTC)) |
*'''Oppose''': She is notable as an activist, which got her arrested. Not vise versa. ([[User:Ashique2020|Ashique2020]] ([[User talk:Ashique2020|talk]]) 19:10, 9 September 2020 (UTC)) |
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*'''Comment''' Went through the references except Reference number 12 All others are after her arrest.She had no coverage before her arrest and this a case of [[WP:1E]].[[User:Girdlast888|Girdlast888]] ([[User talk:Girdlast888|talk]]) 11:35, 11 September 2020 (UTC) |
:*'''Comment''' Went through the references except Reference number 12 All others are after her arrest.She had no coverage before her arrest and this a case of [[WP:1E]].[[User:Girdlast888|Girdlast888]] ([[User talk:Girdlast888|talk]]) 11:35, 11 September 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' There has been a lot of coverage of Zargar, and she is clearly notable. Examples of coverage before her arrest include: |
*'''Oppose''' There has been a lot of coverage of Zargar, and she is clearly notable. Examples of coverage before her arrest include: |
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**{{cite news |first1=Advitya |last1=Bahl |title=Delhi: In search of a home |url=https://www.dnaindia.com/delhi/report-delhi-in-search-of-a-home-2616587 |accessdate=21 May 2020 |work=[[DNA India]] |date=19 May 2018}} |
**{{cite news |first1=Advitya |last1=Bahl |title=Delhi: In search of a home |url=https://www.dnaindia.com/delhi/report-delhi-in-search-of-a-home-2616587 |accessdate=21 May 2020 |work=[[DNA India]] |date=19 May 2018}} |
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Requested move 8 September 2020
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Safoora Zargar → Arrest of Safoora Zargar – subject is notable only for her arrest WP:1E hence the title should be moved During the afd discussion at least 2 editors wanted it renamed shown it below. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Girdlast888 (talk • contribs) 09:18, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
The following comments have been pasted here by nominator from the AfD in question. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:19, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
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- Oppose activists are usually arrested by the police, and hence renaming this to the Arrest of Safoora Zargar is redundant. Safoora Zargar#Political activism and Safoora Zargar#Online vilification sections indicates that the subject is notable and relevant to the current title. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 09:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose: She is an activist and despite arrests there are more information as activist is available. Like personal life section about her marriage is from a interview when she was not in the controversy and is from independent source. Remaining the thing the Girdlast888 said, Kafeel Khan was a doctor. Safoora is activist and there is lot of info available out of her arrest. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri (Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)
- Comment Safoora Zargar was pregnant when she was arrested and she is solely notable for this and coverage was due to this.She fails WP:GNG as an activist and during the AFD the two editors who keep Devonian Wombat and Hindustanilanguage also wanted the name to be changed to Arrest of Safoora Zargar and this is a clear case of WP:1E. Girdlast888 (talk) 10:06, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- Reply: Reference number 12 is not from the after arrest. It is an independent source and is of 2018, when she was simply an activist. Thank You. There maybe more sources of her activism available in media coverages. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri (Speak🗣️ or Write✍️) 11:07, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose: She is notable as an activist, which got her arrested. Not vise versa. (Ashique2020 (talk) 19:10, 9 September 2020 (UTC))
- Comment Went through the references except Reference number 12 All others are after her arrest.She had no coverage before her arrest and this a case of WP:1E.Girdlast888 (talk) 11:35, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose There has been a lot of coverage of Zargar, and she is clearly notable. Examples of coverage before her arrest include:
- Bahl, Advitya (19 May 2018). "Delhi: In search of a home". DNA India. Retrieved 21 May 2020.
- Raza, Prince Suhaib (25 January 2020). "Exclusive interview of Safoora Zargar of Jamia Islamia Delhi with Prince Suhaib Raza". The Gulbarga Mirror and Deccan Digest on YouTube (in not English and except for a few words). Retrieved 11 September 2020.
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: CS1 maint: unrecognized language (link) - Parveen, Rahiba R (28 January 2020). "BJP MP's statement shows party's fascist ideology: Protesters at Shaheenbagh". The New Indian Express. Retrieved 11 September 2020.
- Khan, Aaquib (10 February 2020). "Standing up to Repression: Political Passion Animates Jamia Resistance". The Polis Project. Retrieved 11 September 2020.
- Ara, Ismat (12 February 2020). "'It's not the pain, but how far the State will go to target us': Jamia students recount treatment at the hands of Delhi Police on 10 Feb". Firstpost. Retrieved 11 September 2020.
- Aasif, Mohd (13 February 2020). "Police Tore Our Hijab; Hit on Private Parts, Allege Jamia Students". Indian Clarion. Retrieved 11 September 2020.
- "Purported CCTV Footage Shows Police Attacking Students in Jamia Library on Dec 15". The Wire (India). 17 February 2020. Retrieved 11 September 2020.
- An interview Zargar gave months before her arrest was also turned into two articles after her arrest - I do not know whether it formed the basis of an article in Hindi or some other language before her arrest:
- Sra, Gunjeet; Kaur, Ruhani (6 June 2020), "Safoora Zargar: The Cost of Ideas", StoriesAsia, retrieved 11 September 2020
- Kaur, Ruhani; Sra, Gunjeet (12 June 2020), "A Conversation with Safoora Zargar", StoriesAsia, retrieved 11 September 2020
- -- Toddy1 (talk) 13:28, 11 September 2020 (UTC)