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== Property damage section needs to revised ==
== Property damage section needs to revised ==
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I have [[WP:RFC|request for comment]] to this articie, in Property damage infobox, they stats that damage due to unrest is $650 million (including $50 million in Kenosha and more than $500 million in Minneapolis-Saint Paul metropolitan area), but i found that in [https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a455-4067-b06a-66f9db4cea9c.html Axios exclusive article about damages from riots], i see that the riots costly insurance $1 billion to as high as $2 billion, which is notablily high for man-made disasters given that the unrest occured in 20 US states. Any opinion about this and can this number be revised? [[Special:Contributions/110.137.184.148|110.137.184.148]] ([[User talk:110.137.184.148|talk]]) 23:19, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
I have [[WP:RFC|request for comment]] to this articie, in Property damage infobox, they stats that damage due to unrest is $650 million (including $50 million in Kenosha and more than $500 million in Minneapolis-Saint Paul metropolitan area), but i found that in [https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a455-4067-b06a-66f9db4cea9c.html Axios exclusive article about damages from riots], i see that the riots costly insurance $1 billion to as high as $2 billion, which is notablily high for man-made disasters given that the unrest occured in 20 US states. Any opinion about this and can this number be revised? [[Special:Contributions/110.137.184.148|110.137.184.148]] ([[User talk:110.137.184.148|talk]]) 23:19, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

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Protest order

Thinking either chronologically or in order of notability. Not sure if there is a standard for these types of pages though Anon0098 (talk) 17:52, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I went (I think) with chronological for no other reason then it avoids value judgements.Slatersteven (talk) 17:59, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, figured I'd posit the question regardless Anon0098 (talk) 19:17, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Would this page qualify for the addition of an infobox on the upper-right hand portion of the article, listing parties to the conflict and death toll (encompassing all of the protests/riots/etc that fall under racial unrest in the US in 2020)? I noticed the death toll on the George Floyd protests page has been halved, I can assume why. Perhaps the original death toll could be reworked into this article. Temeku (talk) 22:58, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would be against anything that contradicts what the mains articles say.Slatersteven (talk) 08:10, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not asking to change any of the original article's death tolls, what I'm saying is we would be combining all of those (as well as injuries, where applicable) for each protest/riot page that falls under the racial unrest category for this article, right? For instance, the number of deaths shown for the George Floyd protests was changed back to 30, but the Kenosha unrest shows two deaths of its own - combining those for this article would make 32 deaths on this page. Temeku (talk) 09:16, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh, yes that would be fine.Slatersteven (talk) 11:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Black vs black adjective

For consistency, the four articles linked use lowercase, MOS currently says non-proper adjectives are lowercase, and general discussion of this specific topic generally favors lowercase. In addition, every RS linked in this article uses lower case (obviously with the exception of BLM which is an organization). I don't know why this is even remotely controversial. Anon0098 (talk) 22:38, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

BOLD move to new title

As the heading, plus I have rewritten the lede to match the proposed new title. Revert and discuss if you disagree. —Kilopylae (talk) 19:12, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020 United States racial unrest is perfect. Not all protests are attributed to BLM and racial unrest gets a lot of hits for a variety of these protests. WP:NCEVENTS#Conventions I'd much prefer the current title. Anon0098 (talk) 23:54, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The racial unrest—and I agree that's a better term than Black Lives Matter unrest—has gone beyond the United States. In the UK, for example, though there is a recognition that the movement is centred on the US there has also been a significant anti-racism wave here that is both a part of the same wider unrest and centred on British issues (as opposed to solidarity with the US). Phrases that reference the unrest like "in the present climate" have been appended to several post-George Floyd anti-racism initiatives that really have nothing to do with the US or the original George Floyd protests. The intention of this article is to provide a broad overview of the whole thing, so arbitrarily limiting it to the US would rather defeat the point, as well as not reflect how "the present climate" is talked about in reliable sources. I went for Black Lives Matter unrest as a possible title because it has all been broadly aligned with the wider BLM movement and the other main point of commonality, origins in the George Floyd protests, would seem to go against the emerging consensus that that page should be limited to protests that have an explicit connection to Floyd and are not simply part of the wider unrest his death and the subsequent protests triggered. —Kilopylae (talk) 07:07, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree, there are issues about this unique to the US. The Focus in the UK was rather on Britain's colonial past, not its current policing (for example).Slatersteven (talk) 12:54, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed with Slatersteven, there are enough differences that constitute different pages Anon0098 (talk) 23:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Kilopylae. No this is purely American unrest. Black Lives Matter(BLM was founded in the United States of America over the racial killing by George Zimmerman that occurred in Florida. Merely having BLM supporters in other countries such as the UK does not make it a British movement. Moreover the initial event that caused the unrest was a killing in the US by American police. Any international unrest is not the same event. Warlightyahoo (talk) 01:20, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As the Plummer quote in the article says, Floyd's killing was "the dam-break moment for the global protest movement." --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 08:09, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Started to expand and organise

I have started to expand the page and establish a structure for further content; I have also rewritten the lede to conform the MoS based only on the content currently in the article—to be an appropriate summary the lede will most likely eventually need to be several paragraphs. —Kilopylae (talk) 19:10, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

International Unrest

Considering this page is about United States racial unrest, should we link the UK unrest as a See Also page instead? I foresee this getting long and messy if we start to include other countries on here as well Anon0098 (talk) 22:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And can someone replace the UK picture in the infobox, there are plenty of others we can use from the US. Frankly, I don't know how to Anon0098 (talk) 22:26, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We should establish a consensus first. —Kilopylae (talk) 07:13, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
wp:ONUS says you should establish consensus for inclusion, not exclusion.Slatersteven (talk) 12:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As I have outlined above (perhaps this conversation and that one should be merged—I was reluctant to move your comments without asking!), the racial unrest that the article is about has gone beyond the US. Though originating in and centred on the US, it is an international wave of protest, with the unrest in other countries focusing on domestic race issues rather than solidarity with the American struggle. I am not totally opposed to calling it 2020 United States racial unrest and also including content about how the United States racial unrest has manifested itself in other countries—with constructions like "2020 United States racial unrest in the United Kingdom", perhaps as sub-articles with only a brief mention here. This is supposed to be the overarching article covering the whole present wave of racial unrest, though, and arbitrarily limiting its scope to the US is something I would strongly argue against. —Kilopylae (talk) 07:12, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think the issue in the USA is not the same as elsewhere, and the focus is not quite the same.Slatersteven (talk) 12:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also how can there be US Unrest outside the US? I mean common.Slatersteven (talk) 13:08, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Read wp:brd when reverted you do not add back, you talk.Slatersteven (talk) 13:01, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I like this page. I see no problem with the section, only with the title. This could be a useful top-level main page, in time. The best thing might be to re-title to 'International ramifications'. Johncdraper (talk) 13:12, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Then revert back to the undisputed version and lets see some argument why we need to expand the scope. As well as a new name for the article suggested.Slatersteven (talk) 13:15, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The page title works. A Main Heading section on International ramifications/consequences also works. To make it international, someone would have to collect all the related protests from the separate pages and summarize them here. Somewhere on a continuum, the page then transitions from 2020 US racial unrest to 2020 global racial unrest.Johncdraper (talk) 13:23, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It does not if it is about global unrest, the USA is not the world. We rename before, not after we change its focus.Slatersteven (talk) 13:33, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The reason this page was created was as an overview of the racial unrest that is linked to killings other then Gorge Floyd, the international unrest is linked to the George Floyd killing. We have an article on the international protests over the George Floyd killing. We do not need two articles that cover the same subject.Slatersteven (talk) 13:36, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's exactly my thinking too, international protests are irrelevant and don't align with the purpose of the article Anon0098 (talk) 23:35, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please show me the link to that article? Johncdraper (talk) 13:43, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I put it in the see also section of this one, but here you go List of George Floyd protests outside the United States.Slatersteven (talk) 13:46, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's a list. I suggest creating a separate page in Draftspace on 2020 global protests related to George Floyd to see what it looks like. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Drafts Johncdraper (talk) 13:38, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It still duplicates what we are going to have here. We can turn that list into an article, by expanding it. What we should not do is weaken the focus of this one, it defeats the object.Slatersteven (talk) 13:55, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Your aim on creating this page was for it to be a top level main page for 2020 United States racial unrest, basically this page along thematic grounds?Johncdraper (talk) 14:03, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No it was that that George Floyd protests did not become a repository of every race related protest in the USA this year. So it could remain focused on George Floyd.Slatersteven (talk) 14:10, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Got it. But, why don't you just rename this article? I also suggest (talk) creates a new article based on expanding this List article List of George Floyd protests outside the United States into a main article titled something like 2020 global race protests. This could be best done in Draft space. Or am I missing something here? Johncdraper (talk) 14:20, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We do not discus page renames on another page. This page was created after discussion at George Floyd protests over how to deal with other race protests in the USA.Slatersteven (talk) 14:25, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, I just visited that Talk page, and I'm with you now. But, I still suggest (talk) creates a new article based on expanding this List article List of George Floyd protests outside the United States into a main article titled something like 2020 global race protests. Do yo agree with that? Johncdraper (talk) 14:32, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have already said we should.Slatersteven (talk) 14:35, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Kilopylae Do you agree? Johncdraper (talk) 14:38, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I will wait for the centralised discussion mentioned in the thread below—the haphazard approach hasn't helped thus far and I don't think me creating another start-class fork will do any good until we've got a consensus on overall direction. In principle, I agree; there should be one article for the overarching international "reckoning", which includes sporadic peaceful protests outside the US and regular protests/riots in the US, and another, this article, for the unrest in the US. —Kilopylae (talk) 20:55, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We also have the option to include some international protests in the See Also section, instead of having it as a header in the actual page Anon0098 (talk) 23:42, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The see also makes more sense.Slatersteven (talk) 09:09, 2 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with

This page needs to be merged with 2020 United States racial unrest and then retitled and cleaned up. Until it is, I'm going to start flagging both with relevant warning templates. Johncdraper (talk) 10:35, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

John, this article is "2020 United States racial unrest". What do you mean by "This page needs to be merged with 2020 United States racial unrest"? —Kilopylae (talk) 12:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My bad, a copy-paste error: I meant 2020 United States racial injustice reckoning. In fact, I think that article should be merged into this article. Would you please contribute on the Talk there? Johncdraper (talk) 13:05, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
FDW777 What about suggesting the BLM Project taking this role? Johncdraper (talk) 20:24, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'd definitely hope they'd have some input. My point is probably a bit meta, how it's quite simple to create articles but a lot more difficult to get rid of them. But I definitely don't see it being useful to have discussions on a single article such as the one at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020 United States racial injustice reckoning, the articles and content can't be looked at in isolation. FDW777 (talk) 20:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm neutral on whether the BLM project should lead. I strongly agree there is a need for a single, central discussion on how to structure and organise our coverage of this and the sooner we can establish a consensus the better. The situation at the moment borders on being chaotic. —Kilopylae (talk) 20:57, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The central discussion can be the name of the page — racial unrest. I'm opposed to using Black Lives Matter as a lasso because BLM as an organization isn't directly related to all of the protests Anon0098 (talk) 23:38, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment / Likely support In my opinion, we do not need as many pages as there are on this topic, and so merging them would do some good. However, I think it is important to focus on names in at least some capacity. "Racial unrest" seems to imply something of a race war, even if I agree it's a better and more encompassing term than George Floyd protests. "Racial injustice reckoning" is a very lengthy title, but I think I might prefer its term over racial unrest. I don't know entirely, and support some way of merging these pages, perhaps even combining them all into George Floyd protests in some greater capacity. In any case, the unrest seems more like a category of pages than just one page these days. PickleG13 (talk) 00:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Racial injustice reckoning" reads like a "the first ones up against the wall" type statement. It is POV loaded, and may not even be accurate (has there been a reckoning?).Slatersteven (talk) 11:41, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
User:Alexiod Palaiologos above has been blocked indefinitely --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 19:05, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, by the sourcing alone, there is far more discussion of a "racial reckoning" (which goes by many other names, as described on the other talk page) than of "racial unrest". In sources, "unrest" infers demonstrations, fighting, and rioting, none of which are associated with the social pressure and cultural changes related to the reckoning. "Unrest" itself has POV implications. I have not seen sources describe the arc from the Floyd protests to the present day as "racial unrest"—that is at best a coat rack and at worst, original research. To the point of how all these articles fit together, it really is a separate discussion, but while the waters have already been muddied, I'd argue that the protests section of Black Lives Matter should be split out on its own per summary style. While the line is not stark, the list of name and misc. changes are a subset of the cultural reckoning, not the Floyd protests, and should be renamed as such. All of the location-based subarticle of the protests are its own article. Again, this is a separate matter from this single merge proposal. However, to paint the whole as "racial unrest"—the sources don't back up its existence by that name. Whereas read the sources in 2020 United States racial reckoning: Through the headlines as well as the article text, they clearly describe a cultural reckoning. I'd like to see equivalent sources to justify keeping this unrest article.
czar 21:52, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusion of "Killing of Julian Edward Roosevelt Lewis"

Considering no notable protests arose from this (to my knowledge), does this belong on this page? Especially as its own subheading Anon0098 (talk) 16:45, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would say not, this is "racial unrest" not "racist killings".Slatersteven (talk) 16:47, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's my thinking. Removing per WP:ONUS, please comment if anyone disagrees with removal Anon0098 (talk) 16:48, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Someone had added the name "Julian Edward Roosevelt Thompson (sic)" to the page in roughly that place and I turned it into a subsection so it was at least formatted correctly, but I agree that it has little bearing on the unrest and can be removed. That said, the structure of the page is not quite clear to me. The section is titled "Killings and shootings by police" while the next is "Major protests and riots", and there's obviously overlap in that the killing of George Floyd sparked George Floyd protests, and Jacob Blake the Kenosha protests. Does "Killings and shootings by police" really mean "Killings and shootings by police that sparked unrest"? Lester Mobley (talk) 18:58, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Originally "Major protests and riots" wasn't on the page. Considering this page is specifically talking about the rest, yes the connotation is "Killings and shootings by police that sparked unrest" Frankly I don't know why we need a "Major protests and riots" section anyways. It's just repetitive. Anon0098 (talk) 04:09, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bold new reorganization

All the information has been kept but I rearranged it to put emphasis on the unrest rather than the shootings and killings so it aligns more with the original purpose of the article. Let me know what you guys think. Anon0098 (talk) 04:57, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Makes more sense to me. Lester Mobley (talk) 15:00, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deaths?

Should someone bring the deaths spreadsheet from the violence in George Floyd protests page and copy it to this page, but add the Boogaloo killings and Kenosha shooting? Bruhmoney77 (talk) 15:33, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Should there be mention of Ahmaud Arbery as well?Kdotlamar39 (talk) 15:57, 11 September 2020 (UTC)Kdotlamar39[reply]

I would say yes Bruhmoney77 (talk) 04:32, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a way to objectively capture/portray how senseless these murders have been? In many instances the victims have been doing absolutely nothing that led to their deaths and this would highlight how endemic excessive police force is in the US. Kdotlamar39 (talk) 01:50, 14 September 2020 (UTC)Kdotlamar39[reply]

Why is a photo from Bristol, UK in the head images?

Why is a photo from Bristol, UK in the head images?This page is about racial unrest in the United States. Bruhmoney77 (talk) 15:58, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, international protests should be mentioned in the See Also, and the picture should be removed. Anon0098 (talk) 21:41, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Update the name and causes?

There has been recent housing protests in Philadelphia (still going on). with Loads of evictions soon looming, should we turn this from

“2020 United States Racial Unrest”

to

“2020 United States Racial and Civil Unrest”? Bruhmoney77 (talk) 06:40, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How about just 2020 United States Unrest/Protests, (something along those lines) in that case? User:Alexiod Palaiologos 17:44, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox 2

I will be removing the egregious violations of MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE, which says keep in mind the purpose of an infobox: to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article. If you want to include all the parties, mention them in the text first. FDW777 (talk) 15:46, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

we are trying to, but it’s hard when you delete the belligerents entirely before we can do anything Bruhmoney77 (talk) 16:05, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing stopping you adding them to the text first. FDW777 (talk) 16:06, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

which I am going to do right now Bruhmoney77 (talk) 16:06, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Considering your first 11 edits, prior to your erroneous revert, were all relating to the infobox, your claim of we are trying to doesn't hold water. FDW777 (talk) 16:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I just added new info in the main text. “August 22”. Search for it in the page Bruhmoney77 (talk) 16:20, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

adding Stone Mountain protests to the list right now Bruhmoney77 (talk) 16:26, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And what's that got to do with this discussion? FDW777 (talk) 20:22, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Injuries

Does anyone have any recent figures on the number of injuries and arrests? I used numbers from early June which of course must be a lot lower than what they are now. User:Alexiod Palaiologos 17:52, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Housing/rent protests. Also potential name change

Currently in Philadelphia, there is a situation going on where protest groups are protecting a homeless encampment from the police who were going to evict them. Currently the encampment is still barricaded and guarded/on watch for any law enforcement after the PD retreated yesterday/day before.

Should we add this to the unrest? Also; should we name this page from “United States 2020 racial unrest” to “United States 2020 racial and civil unrest”? Bruhmoney77 (talk) 02:31, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

NO and NO.Slatersteven (talk) 17:02, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I concur with Slatersteven—the racism-related unrest is a distinct topic. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 17:40, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

alrighty then Bruhmoney77 (talk) 21:47, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced breakdown of deaths removed

I have removed the unreferenced breakdown of deaths from the infobox, per WP:BURDEN. The claim of 30 is not supported by the referenced total of 19 at the George Floyd protests article. It is up to anyone wishing to restore the breakdown to provide references that support it. FDW777 (talk) 20:28, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have added the deaths just now, however I have found the sources and added them to it. Bruhmoney77 (talk) 23:58, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution. Next stop AE for the next person to ignore policy regarding this. FDW777 (talk) 07:42, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, any totals need sources stating that total specifically. Whether an individual death qualifies as part of this unrest is obviously a judgment call involving interpretation and analysis, so editors cannot simply add up what they personally consider deaths related to the topic and then list the total as a fact - it is original research. --Aquillion (talk) 07:48, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree, lews stick to RS totals.Slatersteven (talk) 12:12, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The death toll is given in the article, adding all the citations in the infobox would make a mess of an article. I can remove George Floyd Protests, and just leave it as 32 dead in protests (for example, how it looks on the 2019-20 Chilean protests article, but the actual number is correct. The article about the George Floyd protests also claims there are 19 deaths, but then goes on to explain there are 31 deaths, which includes one of the Boogaloo Killings but not the other. User:Alexiod Palaiologos 12:56, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Please list here the reference(s) that support(s) your total of 32. FDW777 (talk) 13:01, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Violence and controversies during the George_Floyd protests It establishes there are 31 deaths (plus two from Kenosha), but it includes one of the Boogaloo Killings (mentioned in a different part of the infobox), so in total that is 32 deaths. I actually do not understand where the 19 figure came from on the main article. When I look on the violence and controversies article, it says 19 deaths by June, 31 deaths by September. User:Alexiod Palaiologos 13:19, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a reference. Please list the references here that support your total of 32, or 30, or 31, or whatever else you claim it is. FDW777 (talk) 13:21, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I added "at least 19" to the George Floyd Protests section which is supported by Forbes. This source is from June 8, so it should probably be updated if a newer source is available, but whatever number is used needs to cite a specific source somewhere in this article. It's not a good idea to calculate our own total death toll since the numbers are from different dates and we can't be sure that we haven't missed anything. –dlthewave ☎ 14:28, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

So the other article did say 31 deaths, but now User:FDW777 went ahead and edited it and changed the death count to 19. The information is clearly cited but you just simply refuse to look at it. And no, adding 500 citations in the infobox is not some kind of reasonable solution, IT IS IN THE ARTICLE. I just pasted this from the article, the citations didn't get carried over:
:So the other article did say 31 deaths, but now User:FDW777 went ahead and edited it and changed the death count to 19. The information is clearly cited but you just simply refuse to look at it. And no, adding 500 citations in the infobox is not some kind of reasonable solution, IT IS IN THE ARTICLE. I just pasted this from the article, the citations didn't get carried over:
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

May May 27: In Minneapolis, one mile (1.6 km) from the main protest site, Calvin Horton Jr. died after being fatally shot at a pawn shop that was being looted. The owner of the pawn shop was initially arrested in connection with incident, but he was later released without charges and the case remained open as of late June 2020. Also on May 27, a man known as "Umbrella Man" dressed in black clothes and gas mask, carrying an umbrella and sledgehammer, was recorded on video breaking windows of an AutoZone store, spray painting graffiti, and encouraging looting. Some protesters confronted him and asked him to stop. Initial claims that the "Umbrella Man" was a Saint Paul police officer were debunked by surveillance video released by the Saint Paul Police Department. Police later received an anonymous tip via email that the man may be a 32-year-old man with ties to white supremacist organizations, according to an affidavit obtained by the media. However, the suspect in question has not been charged and the identity of the "Umbrella Man" remains unconfirmed.

May 28: In Minneapolis, on July 20, federal and state authorities recovered a body—which appeared to have suffered thermal injuries—at a local pawnshop that was torched during protests a month prior. Max It Pawn, located several blocks east of the city's third precinct station and in an area of heavy rioting, was destroyed by fire on May 28. In June, a 25-year-old man from Rochester, Minnesota was federally charged with arson for the fire at the pawn shop.

May 29 In Downtown Detroit, a 21-year-old man was killed when his car was fired upon. He was shot in the middle of police brutality demonstrations, although police claimed the incident had no connection to the protests. In Oakland, California, amid unrest, a Federal Protective Service officer, David Patrick Underwood, was fatally shot outside a federal courthouse in a drive-by attack that also wounded another guard. Underwood had been providing security at the courthouse during a protest. The Department of Homeland Security labeled the shooting an act of domestic terrorism. Boogaloo movement member Steven Carrillo was charged with the murder on June 16. He was also implicated in the murder of a Santa Cruz County deputy. The white van allegedly used in the murder had "Boog" and "I became unreasonable" written in blood on the vehicle's hood. Investigators also found Boogaloo symbols including a ballistic vest with a US flag with an igloo instead of stars. In Minneapolis, a woman's body with visible trauma was found in the backseat of a car in an area that had been overrun with violence during the overnight hours. Police initiated a suspicious death investigation in response to the suspected killing on May 29th. May 30 In St. Louis, Missouri, 29-year-old protester Barry Perkins died after being run over by a FedEx truck that was fleeing from looters. In Omaha, Nebraska, 22-year-old protester James Scurlock was fatally shot outside of a bar. The shooter was Jacob Gardner, the bar-owner, who had a scuffle with some protesters and fired several shots, one of which killed Scurlock; the altercation outside and shooting were caught on surveillance video. Two days later, authorities announced that there would be no charges for the bar's owner and that he had opened fire in self-defense. However, after pushback, the matter was referred to a grand jury for review. May 31 In Kansas City, Missouri, 50-year-old Marvin Francois was shot and killed by robbers while picking up one of his sons from a protest. In Chicago, 32-year-old John Tiggs was fatally struck in the abdomen by shots fired inside a Metro by T-Mobile store while walking into the building to pay his bill during lootings in the city's South Side. In Riverside, Illinois, 22-year old Myqwon Blanchard from Chicago was fatally shot by a gunman during the looting of the North Riverside Park Mall. In Indianapolis, two people were fatally shot in the vicinity of protests or riots downtown. One of them was 18-year-old Dorian Murrell, killed around 2:30am on June 1; a 29-year-old man turned himself in to the police, maintaining Murrell had pushed him down, and was subsequently charged with murder on June 2. The other was 38-year-old Chris Beaty, a local business owner, who was shot shortly before midnight May 31. June June 1 In Louisville, local restaurateur David McAtee was killed as a Louisville Metro Police and Kentucky National Guard curfew patrol fired at him. Authorities stated that the patrol returned gunfire after McAtee fired at them. McAtee's gunshot occurred after the patrol appeared to fire a pepper ball into McAtee's restaurant, nearly striking his niece in the head. According to McAtee's sister, the gathering was not a protest but rather a regularly scheduled social gathering at which McAtee served food from his barbecue restaurant. An investigation of the killing is ongoing. LMPD Chief Steve Conrad was fired later that day, as officers and troops involved in the shooting did not wear or failed to activate body cameras. Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer admitted that the city had shown an "inability to apply [curfew] evenly." In Davenport, Iowa, two people were fatally shot on a night with significant rioting. One of the victims was 22-year-old Italia Marie Kelly, killed in an apparent random shooting as she was leaving a demonstration. Another person, Marquis M. Tousant, was found dead at the scene of an ambush on an unmarked police truck that left a police officer wounded. In Cicero, Illinois, two men were fatally shot in separate incidents following an "afternoon of unrest"; this was confirmed by Cicero Police. Town spokesman Ray Hanania said the shots were fired by "outside agitators." The two men were both described as bystanders and were identified as 28-year-old Jose Gutierrez and 27-year-old Victor Cazares Jr. In Las Vegas, police shot and killed Jorge Gomez, who was walking among protesters and reportedly reached for his firearm when he was shot. June 2 In Philadelphia, two deaths occurred during the fourth day of unrest. A man in his twenties was fatally shot by the owner of the gun shop Firing Line Inc., while trying to break into the store in the south section of the city. Mayor Jim Kenney said he was "deeply troubled" by the killing and that he did not condone vigilantism. In a separate incident, a 24-year-old man was severely injured after attempting to use an explosive device to destroy an ATM. He was rushed to a local hospital before being pronounced dead. In St. Louis, 77-year-old retired police captain David Dorn was shot and killed by looters at a pawn shop. The shooting was streamed on Facebook Live. In Vallejo, California, Sean Monterrosa, a 22-year-old man, was shot and killed by police while on his knees. Monterrosa lifted his hands, which revealed a 15-inch hammer tucked in his pocket police said they mistook for a handgun. A police officer in a vehicle then fired on him five times through the windshield. Monterrosa later died at a local hospital. The police were responding to a call over alleged looting at a Walgreens, according to police chief Shawny Williams. The day after his death police revealed that "there had been an 'officer-involved shooting'" at a press conference, yet declined to offer further details, including the name of the officer involved. The event reportedly sparked intense outrage in the Bay Area, particularly in Vallejo, which was identified as having a long history of police violence, excessive force complaints, and high-profile killings like the shooting of Willie McCoy. June 3–29

June 3: In Bakersfield, California, Robert Forbes, a 50-year-old man was killed after being struck by a vehicle while marching between California Avenue and Oak Street. The incident was caught on video and distributed widely on social media. Forbes was transported to Kern Medical Center, where he remained in critical condition for three days before dying. Police deny that Forbes was hit intentionally, while others dispute this claim. The police did not restrain the driver with handcuffs and allowed him to smoke a cigarette, which caused indignation on social media. A candlelight vigil was held for Forbes on June 6.

June 6: Santa Cruz County Sheriff's Department deputies arrived at the residence of Carrillo, previously responsible for the murder of a security guard in Oakland, in Ben Lomond, California. In response, Carrillo fired at the deputies with an AR-15 style rifle, seriously injuring one deputy and killing Sheriff Sgt. Damon Gutzwiller. Two nearby California Highway Patrol officers responded to the scene, and were met with gunfire, wounding one officer. Deputies and officers were also attacked with improvised explosive devices.

During the shootout, Carrillo was hit and fled on foot to a nearby highway where he hijacked a car. He abandoned the car minutes later. According to the criminal complaint against him, Carrillo scrawled messages in his own blood on the hijacked car that said "I became unreasonable", "stop the duopoly", and "Boog".

Carrillo tried to take another car from where it was parked at a home, but was restrained by the homeowner and another civilian. Carrillo was arrested in connection with the attack.

June 20: In Seattle, a 19-year-old man, Lorenzo Anderson, was killed and another person was hospitalized with life-threatening injuries after being fired on multiple times inside the city's Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone. Police stated they were denied entry to the area to render aid; instead, Capitol Hill Organized Protest medics took the two victims to Harborview Medical Center. A later investigation by KUOW showed that miscommunication between Seattle Police and Seattle Fire delayed city response to the victim.

June 27: A shooting occurred at Jefferson Square Park in downtown Louisville, Kentucky during a protest. A 27-year-old photographer who supported the protests against racism and police brutality was killed. Another person was injured. Overnight camping at the park was banned after the shooting, and police removed tents from the park. One suspect was arrested, interviewed by homicide detectives, and charged with murder and wanton endangerment. The suspect was hospitalized as he was wounded by gunfire from civilians defending themselves.

June 29: In Seattle, a 16-year-old boy was killed and a 14-year-old was critically injured in their Jeep Grand Cherokee after being shot in the Capitol Hill Organized Protest (CHOP) zone.

July–August

July 4: In Seattle, 24-year-old Summer Taylor died after being hit by a vehicle while protesting on Interstate 5. A second person also hit was in critical condition. A suspect was taken into custody a few hours later after the incident.

July 4: In Atlanta, 8-year-old Secoriea Turner was fatally shot when the driver of an SUV (in which she was a passenger), tried to get past what police say was a "makeshift roadblock manned by various armed individuals" near the site where Rayshard Brooks was killed in June. Police have said as many as four people fired in the shooting that killed Secoriea, but only one has been arrested. 19-year-old Julian Conley, one of the men who had been at the scene, turned himself in to police after his photo was released as a person of interest. Conley said he was armed but did not use his weapon when he witnessed the SUV hit one of the men at the roadblock, who then fired at the vehicle.

July 5: In Indianapolis, 24-year old Jessica Doty Whitaker was killed after she, her fiance, and two other friends got into an argument with another group of people regarding the Black Lives Matter movement. The argument between the two armed groups allegedly began when someone in Whitaker's group used a slang version of the 'N-word.' Whitaker responded to chants of "Black lives matter" by saying "all lives matter," and though her fiance seemingly deescalated the situation, as the two groups were parting, Whitaker was hit by gunfire and later died in the hospital.

July 25: Downtown Austin, 28-year old Garrett Foster was killed in a shooting at a Black Lives Matter protest. The incident happened around 9:52 p.m. near East Sixth Street and Congress Avenue, according to Austin-Travis County EMS. Police said initial reports indicate that Foster was carrying an AK-47 style rifle, and was pushing his fiancee's wheelchair moments before he was killed. Witnesses on the ground reported a driver accelerating their vehicle into a crowd of people. The suspect then pulled out his own firearm and shot Foster. Foster was then taken to the hospital where he was pronounced dead. The driver accused of shooting Foster was brought in by police for questioning, and his handgun and car were secured for evidence. The driver was released pending further investigation. Two memorials to Foster were built in downtown Austin within 24 hours of his death. On July 28, one of the memorials was defaced by an unidentified person.

August 25: In Kenosha, Wisconsin, two protesters were fatally shot and a third was injured by Kyle Rittenhouse, a 17-year-old from Antioch, Illinois. Rittenhouse was charged with first-degree intentional homicide and other charges; his attorneys have said his actions were self-defense.

August 29: In Portland, Oregon, Aaron “Jay” Danielson was shot in the chest and killed on the night of August 29, amidst protests and riots in the city. In videos of the incident and its aftermath, two shots can be heard ringing out, and Danielson lying in the street, face-down and motionless. He was wearing a hat which had an insignia of Patriot Prayer, a far-right group based in Vancouver, Washington that has clashed with protesters in the past. Michael Forest Reinoehl, responsible for the shooting, and a self-described supporter of Antifa, said, in an Associated Press video interview earlier in the summer, that he had provided security for other protesters.

September
September 3: Michael Forest Reinoehl was shot and killed when authorities attempted to apprehend him on a murder warrant. He was allegedly responsible for the fatal shooting of Aaron “Jay” Danielson of Patriot Prayer during clashes between pro-Trump groups and left-wing protesters in Portland, Oregon on August 29. He was wanted by the Multnomah County Circuit Court on a charge of second-degree murder.

User:Alexiod Palaiologos 14:47, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Again, the content of another article is not a reference and I will not even waste time discussing it. I will however add that you absolutely didn't get that information from the current version of the article. FDW777 (talk) 14:53, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The citations are clearly in THIS article, how many times do I have to explain this to you? How hard is to understand? And you debate whether certain deaths are a part of the George Floyd Protests, but they are a part of this greater unrest, full stop. On every single page, you go around deleting stuff with your favourite line It is your burden to provide citations that this happened. THE CITATIONS ARE ALREADY THERE. Please learn to read before going on Wikipedia and deciding your own opinion dictates fact. User:Alexiod Palaiologos 14:58, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Then you should have no problem listing the references you claim support your claimed total. If you don't, next stop AE. FDW777 (talk) 15:13, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What we're asking for is a specific reference that supports 31 deaths. I'm not sure what this long copy-pasted section with no references is supposed to show (are we supposed to count up the total ourselves?) but it's not a reference. You need to back up your claims instead of blaming folks who revert your unsourced edits. –dlthewave ☎ 15:24, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"the content of another article is not a reference". Yes it is. This number is based on the figure given in another article, specifically the Violence and Controversies page of the George Floyd Protests which lists 31 deaths in the article, all have sources supporting that claim. The sources are there in that article that the number is based on, therefore it is a reference. Warlightyahoo (talk) 18:45, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's not. See WP:CIRCULAR. That's non-negotiable policy. FDW777 (talk) 18:49, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@FDW777, it is according to Wikipedia:CIRCULAR it says "Content from a Wikipedia article is not considered reliable unless it is backed up by citing reliable sources." The article is backed by reliable sources. Therefore it is a reliable reference. Warlightyahoo (talk) 20:22, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You'll find that each death Inside the US section has reliable citing sources. We could perhaps link those directly. Warlightyahoo (talk) 20:28, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You will find that many of the references don't mention George Floyd, so aren't references for anything at all. Feel free to cite them if you want, you can have a trip to AE as well. FDW777 (talk) 20:29, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

They all do. Each death has a source linking it to the unrest over George Floyd. Warlightyahoo (talk) 20:43, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you are so sure I suggest adding them next to the offending text, since it requires an inline citation as it has been challenged. FDW777 (talk) 20:59, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Then I could just link the article since I am sure the sources are accurate otherwise they wouldn't be included in the article deaths section. Glad we are in agreement. Warlightyahoo (talk) 21:31, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, see WP:V. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution. The sub-section WP:CIRCULAR states Content from a Wikipedia article is not considered reliable unless it is backed up by citing reliable sources. Confirm that these sources support the content, then use them directly (my emphasis). If you wish to use the references from another article, they are required to be cited in this article. So feel free to add them, if you are so convinced of them. FDW777 (talk) 21:37, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but you do understand that the figures on the Violence and controversies during the George Floyd protests are completely correct. If we are required to add the sources directly so beit. Warlightyahoo (talk) 23:21, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't accept the figures on that article are correct. IF you are so sure they are and that the references are correct, then add them to the text in question in this article as they are required to be per policy. FDW777 (talk) 06:45, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Constant IP vandalism, needs semi-protection

There has been constant IP vandalism, including from user:82.81.85.239. Need to semi-protect this page quite quickly. User:Alexiod Palaiologos 12:59, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Unfortunately, someone blocked me from editing as I forgot to take out a certain section.
One of the guys also seems to insist that Israel and the FBI are support BLM, which is pretty funny but yeah, really needs to stop. User:Alexiod Palaiologos 13:22, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
They also are editing the main section as "domestic terrorism." Please be on the lookout for such things in addition.ExplosiveResults (talk) 13:25, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they seem unrelenting in their constant attacks. The request for protection was declined however, but a few of the problem IP's were blocked. Hopefully that is enough, but I doubt it. If it persists, request Extended Protection again. Let's all just stay vigilant and keep on the lookout for more vandalism. Thanks, EDG 543 (talk) 13:50, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Alright we got it, it's semi-protected. User:Alexiod Palaiologos 20:46, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Change to 'Related racial unrest outside the US'

Should we revamp the section to a summary of the List of George Floyd protests outside the United States and the international section of George Floyd protests (and link it as a main article)? It would be much more relevant and provide a more accurate summary of what exactly is going on. Thoughts? Giraffer munch 14:10, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

May we tweak the title? So it may more accurately fit the nature of this event.

Breif assessment: Is this the year 2020? Yes. Is this a summary of unrest in the United States? Is this civil unrest? Yes. Is it all racial? Well probably not.

The title is 2020 United States racial unrest However the overall nature of it does not seem completely race related, though it does have some racial motivation. Could it be more a case of a citizen versus police unrest? You know since the goal has been to defund the police and the police brutality has affected both races, and you have incidents of political violence between groups that are both white such as Antifa versus Proud Boys. So it seems a case of Left Wing versus Right Wing and US government.

If we would change the title to fit the overall political unrest and anti cop uprisings, what would it most likely be? Warlightyahoo (talk) 17:59, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I agree with tweaking the name a bit. Other incidents have and currently are happening right now that splintered off of the George Floyd protests. Bruhmoney77 (talk) 18:53, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The whole point of the article was to mention all the political unrest which wasn't directly linked to George Floyd. So perhaps we could get a new title. But I think also quite important here is that the entire article has a horrible structure and no flow to it, and it comes off as more a list of random incidents. User:Alexiod Palaiologos 20:00, 14 September 2020 (UTC) User:Alexiod Palaiologos has been blocked indefinitely for WP:NOTHERE and the blocking administrator confirmed a sockpuppet account and noted, Any appeal needs to address the socking, disruptive behavior, and how you would like to build the encyclopedia away from Black Lives Matter --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 17:30, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The title of the article has always been "2020 United States racial unrest" and it has mentioned race since its creation. Even attempts to take the focus off of racism like "Blue Lives Matter" are explicitly a response to racial issues. Protests against the breakdown of the Post Office or unrelated violence between left and right political groups can go in other articles; this one is about 2020 racial unrest in a country with a long history of racial unrest and conflict. The title and topic of the article should remain the same. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 21:22, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

only thing is, isn’t that what 2020 United States racial reckoning is for? Why not use that article for racial unrest and this article for general civil unrest in America 2020? Bruhmoney77 (talk) 01:49, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The creating comment for that article says the national cultural response to institutional racism is now independently notable from the protests. There are lots of "2020 United States 𝑥" articles; if a case can be made that broader unrest is notable as a topic on its own, someone can create that article. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 02:52, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is the proposal to rename this article as 2020 United States civil unrest? I'm neutral to this, but I thought I'd frame it in a way that allows people to either support or oppose. Albertaont (talk) 05:43, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Property damage section needs to revised

I have request for comment to this articie, in Property damage infobox, they stats that damage due to unrest is $650 million (including $50 million in Kenosha and more than $500 million in Minneapolis-Saint Paul metropolitan area), but i found that in Axios exclusive article about damages from riots, i see that the riots costly insurance $1 billion to as high as $2 billion, which is notablily high for man-made disasters given that the unrest occured in 20 US states. Any opinion about this and can this number be revised? 110.137.184.148 (talk) 23:19, 16 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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