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A bicyclette

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15 September 2020

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Suspected sockpuppets

• 70.55.11.97 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · spi block · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))

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IP 70.55.11.97 began making edits on 10 September 2020 to South Korea in the Vietnam War with this: [[1]], adopting the same referencing style used by A bicyclette of <ref name=":0">. The edits follow a familiar pattern of denigrating South Korean forces as mercenaries and highlighting accusations of war crimes in Vietnam. The IP then edited Hà My massacre here: [[2]] deleting "purportedly" a favourite point of contention for A bicyclette here: [3] and adopting the same <ref name=":0"> referencing style. The IP then edited Binh Tai Massacre here: [[4]], adopting the same <ref name=":0"> referencing style. I would also note that the IP geolocates to Ontario, Canada, many of the IP socks belonging to A bicyclette also geolocate to eastern Canada. WP:DUCK. Mztourist (talk) 03:55, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims. Well that's my edits on a different IP. If you are accusing me of being someone else, you are mistaken. I don't have an edit history because my IP autoswitches but I do edit other articles throughout wikipedia. For example this IP has no edits to its history.

The user reverted the edit he found problematic, the word "purportedly" in a sentence, which i didn't think was a neutral term. I am fine with leaving it there and won't argue if its such a big problem for the user. My edits were mostly aimed at Korea-Vietnam diplomatic relations, domestic Korean politics and activity by the Korea Vietnam Peace Foundation/civic groups between countries. There was one small edit on one page which coincidences with another user. I invite any mods to look at the other edits I made which was not problematic or contested in any way.

I also used the autogenerated reference tool on the visual editor so its strange this user is accusing me of having the same referencing style as another user. By the way is this user even aware of how big in size and population Ontario is? There's 15 million people that live here. 70.55.8.116 (talk) 20:37, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

• FWIW 70.55.8.116/16 (talk · contribs) --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
• Meh. But only 65,536 IPv4 addresses (for /16 blocks) --Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:50, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

By the way, so the article you linked on WP:DUCK states a presumption of good faith editing, and requires evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. This is quite a high evidence standard and requirement, so don't see why its a good idea to jump to conclusions and accuse me of vandalizing a page right off the bat. Especially since I won't even argue with the edits you made, I am fine with leaving your edits and don't care to edit it anytime soon. I'd like to hope my edits were assumed to be in good faith by the user, since I have language competency for Korean and have a basic understanding of the Vietnamese language and am familiar with the topic that I edited. 70.55.8.116 (talk) 20:58, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

• Just going to point out one thing. I re-read this users complaint and just now noticed he stated my edits mostly "denigrated Korean forces" and "highlighted war crimes". Its clear the user didn't even read the edits I made except for one minor word deletion. This is hardly what I'd call evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, and there's a credibility issue here for the user if he is abusing the complaint system in this way. I will leave these pages as is, since its not worth the trouble getting into a squabble over something like this. 70.55.8.116 (talk) 22:05, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Once again the long justifications with similar accusatory tone. Saying "I don't have an edit history because my IP autoswitches but I do edit other articles throughout Wikipedia" just like this "Well I am not the user you accused me of but not currently logged in so I have IP edits" on 8 November 2018 and this "My ISP shifts my IP around every so often. None of these IPs you listed are geolocated to my location, they are far and away." on 24 January 2019. Commonsense shows a Canadian IP user who suddenly turns up, goes straight to the same pages and makes edits that push the same POV as another Canadian sockmaster from the same area. This should all be able to resolved by a Checkuser but the rules are that heaven forbid we can't out a blocked User even though he has already IP socked on at least 10 separate occasions.Mztourist (talk) 03:21, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm not the one accusing you of anything, clearly you are. I don't really get what you are accusing me of, having a dynamic IP address? Do you really think every Canadian IP is the same person? Look, I'm not going to get into an edit war with you and have already moved on from that article, and don't care to argue with you over something this trivial and pointless as a single word in a sentence. Since I work in the legal field, I do find it funny you think "evidence beyond a reasonable doubt" of me being a sockpuppet is supported by me having i) a Canadian IP address, ii) making edits on a page you are attached to iii) having some quite irrelevant and downright hilarious similarities (I didn't even create those references FYI since I used a reference generator). I couldn't have not responded given how ridiculous these claims are but I'm quite done with all of this. 70.55.8.116 (talk) 03:38, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

"I'm quite done with all of this", just what User:Deogyusan another sock said on 23 September 2019. If you mean it then stop editing these pages, because I will oppose any POV pushing by IPs on these pages on the assumption that they're yet another sock of A bicyclette. Mztourist (talk) 03:58, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

What POV did I push? Re-read the edit that you linked. Its clearly about foreign relations between the two countries not being affected, and courtroom litigation/activism by civic groups within Korea. Nothing POV about it, certainly nothing about denigrating anyone like you accused me of. Look arguing about this is clearly pointless so I can agree to not dispute edits you found problematic, but clearly you just shouldn't jump to conclusions the way you did with these accusations. 70.55.8.116 (talk) 04:15, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Oh just the usual POV about Korean troops being mercenaries, murdering and raping South Vietnamese. Not the innocuous sounding "foreign relations" and "litigation/activism by civic groups in Korea". Mztourist (talk) 04:36, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Since my response doesn't seem to be getting through to you, I'm just going to stop responding altogether.70.55.8.116 (talk) 14:26, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm not really sure what the context of this sockpuppet investigation is, but I've noticed that 70.55.8.116 (talk · contribs) made some broad changes Meng Wanzhou that were in some parts improvements, but in others odd, especially in terms of grammatical choices. I don't have any direct criticisms, but the fact that the IP had no prior contributions to the page or any similar subjects, made me a bit suspicious. I think it would be better if the IP just made an official account, so as to make everybody more comfortable with the additions. Qiushufang (talk) 04:24, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't ever get into these squabbles even without an account and this is the first time that I've been reported. Not on wikipedia enough to justify having an account. 70.55.8.116 (talk) 14:26, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

• I'm going to need a much better rationale than "uses the same ref style" (the ref name=":0" thing just means they're using visual editor) and "similar POV."

•  Additional information needed. In order to facilitate and expedite your request, please provide diffs to support your case. Please give two or more diffs meeting the following format:

1. At least one diff is from the sockmaster (or an account already blocked as a confirmed sockpuppet of the sockmaster), showing the behaviour characteristic of the sockmaster.
2. At least one diff per suspected sockpuppet, showing the suspected sockpuppet emulating the behaviour of the sockmaster given in the first diff.
3. In situations where it is not immediately obvious from the diffs what the characteristic behaviour is, a short explanation must be provided. Around one sentence is enough for this. GeneralNotability (talk) 20:06, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

IP on Hà My massacre here: [5] and sockmaster A bicyclette here: [6]. IP capitalizes words in headings which should not be capitalized here: [7] and A bicyclette here: [8]. Misconjugation of words eg "Impacts" IP here: [9], A bicyclette here: [10]. After more than 10 previous sock efforts the Sockmaster is getting reasonably good at covering his tracks now. regards Mztourist (talk) 03:29, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

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