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September 26

"McGiver" in 1964?

I just happened across an article written by Blake Edwards and distributed in July 1964 by the New York Times service. In the article, Edwards talks about how the ratings successes of situation comedy shows have led the networks to order more of them:

The frequency with which Andy Griffith, Beverly Hillbillies, Dick Van Dyke, Petticoat Junction, Danny Thomas and their comedy confreres pop up on the Top Ten [ratings] list has encouraged the fitting of many more prospective laugh shows into those golden prime time hours. Gomer Pyle, McGiver, No Time for Sergeants, Valentine's Day, Living Doll, Gilligan's Island and a half dozen other newcomers seem to be dedicated to the proposition that all TV viewers are waiting for the punchlines of more situation comedies.

Note the one title that I haven't linked and have put in boldface instead. This obviously doesn't mean MacGyver, because that didn't start until 1985 and it wasn't a sitcom anyway. But I can't find anything in the IMDB or Wikipedia about a McGiver, MacGiver, or any similar name (that I thought to try) that it might mean. Does this ring any bells for anybody, in a 1964 context? Just curious. --174.89.48.182 (talk) 22:52, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No bells. McHale's Navy fits the slot, but quite far away from "McGiver". ---Sluzzelin talk 22:58, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The actor John McGiver was in a 1964-65 sitcom called Many Happy Returns. Just clutching at straws here. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 23:03, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a link to 1964–65 United States network television schedule - whoo wee that is a memory lane stroll. Reading through it makes me think JackofOz's straw might be the right one to clutch :-) MarnetteD|Talk 23:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Trying a Google Books search, I found a brief snippet from Broadcasting magazine in 1963 that includes "titled The John McGiver Show". I suspect that it was an announced show that never came to fruition. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:25, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Another possibility is that it was the original name of what later became Many Happy Returns (TV series), the only show that McGiver ever starred in. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The name change is the more likely possibility C. I don't think that an unmade show would have figured into Edward's list of "laugh shows." MarnetteD|Talk 23:45, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense; I think that must be it. Which means that all 5 "newcomers" were shows that would debut in September 1964. Presumably the network decided that McGiver wasn't famous enough to title his show after him. --174.89.48.182 (talk) 00:08, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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September 27

Italian film series

I can't remember the name of this film series or any of the actors involved, but the protagonist was a Catholic priest in a small town who had interactions with a communist local politician, perhaps the mayor. There were several films in the series, and they were made during the 1950s or perhaps the 1960s. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Thanks. LANTZY ^TALK 20:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are you thinking of Clochemerle which was a 1934 book, made into a film in 1948 (possibly with a follow up?) and finally a TV series in 1972. The first film revolved around the mayor's determination to build a pissoir just outside the church, which the priest opposed. Clochemerle was in France though. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:05, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This must be a series based on the stories, later collected into books, by Italian writer Giovannino Guareschi which feature the priest Don Camillo and mayor Peppone. They were adapted into several Franco-Italian films, British and Colombian TV series, and other media, various of which are which are listed and linked in the articles. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.219.33.80 (talk) 21:22, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, that's it! LANTZY ^TALK 13:50, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 29

Any documentary of PIE?

I look for a documentary about the PIE people, which portraits our known knowledge about them. Does anyone know?--Exx8 (talk) 10:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can't suggest any specific one, but typing "Proto Indo European" into the YouTube search box yields a long list of additional sub-aspects of that subject in addition to the initial title, and filtering on "Long (> 20 minutes)" brings up quite a few presentations longer than an hour. Perhaps others with a more focussed and/or academic interest on the subject can recommend particularly good ones. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.219.33.80 (talk) 17:16, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some specific titles on YouTube: Who were the Proto-Indo-Europeans?; The Proto Indo Europeans; Who were the Proto-Indo-Europeans, and why should you care?; Who were the Proto-Indo-Europeans and Indo-Iranians?. There is no scientific consensus concerning the topic, and it is conceivable that some of these videos (which I haven't watched) are promoting a specific unproven hypothesis from a less-than-neutral point of view. --Lambiam 20:43, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What's the name of the Hawaiian song that plays in this video?

There's a Hawaiian song that plays at the 2:08 mark of this video, which I recognize because it was also played as background music in at least one episode of SpongeBob SquarePants. What's the title of this song? I'm not sure if it's one by Kapono Beamer or another of the usual Hawaiian/Polynesian ukulele music composers. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The primary instrument there is a Hawaiian style steel guitar. It was hugely popular across the US in the first half of the 20th century. See also slack-key guitar, which often refers to the same thing. Music of Hawaii may be a good place to start your research. --Jayron 32 11:47, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Given that the song was used in SpongeBob, it's also possible that it was part of the Associated Production Music library. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

APM Music was founded in 1983, but the video is from 1967. So the song may well be in their catalog, but was composed much earlier. --Lambiam 20:33, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't recognise the tune. It could also be library music. The newsreel is by British Pathé, and De Wolfe Music worked with them "on into the 1960s" according to the article. ---Sluzzelin talk 20:45, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hawaiian Calypso. To my surprise, Shazam picked it up from that old ad. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇} 17:17, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, looks like Hawaiian Calypso it is. Thanks for the help. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:19, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved

Music biography

how notable do you have to be to have a biography music related — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.Knrz. (talk • contribs) 12:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean in Wikipedia? Please see WP:NMUSIC.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Woods of Ypres

I have two questions, firstly, did this guy really did or is that just part of the band image, and if he did die, as stated that it was in a collision with a car, was this suicide as per the subject matter of their songs. Secondly, what other bands have a similar suicide based subject matter as a predominant aspect of their music? Thanks Anton.Brad (talk) 16:30, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reliable sources reported the accident and memorial services, for example Loud Wire and Local Ontario news site SOOTODAY, and several others reported on it. I have seen no reliable reports that mention suicide, merely a car accident. To answer your second question, Wikipedia has Category:Songs about suicide. --Jayron 32 16:40, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[Edit Conflict] First of all. I presume you meant to write ". . . did this guy really die . . . .

Secondly, have you any reason at all, beyond your personal speculation, to suppose that Gold's death was (a) not genuine, and (b) not an accident? Committing suicide to further one's band's image where one's death immediately leads to the band's dissolution does not seem a likely promotional tactic in real life.* Web searching reveals to me no indications that, in the 9 years since his death, Gold has supposedly re-appeared, any doubts about his actually dying have been expressed, or any speculations that it was a suicide have been made.

(*In the 1981 novel Hype and the associated album Hype: The songs of Tom Mahler by Robert Calvert, a performer is assassinated on behalf of his manager to promote the performer's work and financially benefit the manager, but this is of course entirely fictional. I would not be wholly surprised, however, if something similar had happened in real life at some point.)

I can't answer your second area of query: doubtless others can. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.219.33.80 (talk) 17:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I did mean die, sorry, type-o. Also, I did not mean that he killed himself to promote the band. Rather that most of their songs are about suicide and so for him to then die, may indeed have been a suicide as this was clearly on his mind, and is a leading cause of death in young white men. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anton.Brad (talk • contribs) 09:06, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 30

YouTube music identification

Does anyone know the name/composer/library of the background music that plays at around the 2:00 mark of this video, as well as the name/composer/library of the song that plays at 5:00 of the same video (which also plays at the 0:03 mark on this video)? Given that I've heard the two songs played on multiple videos by different channels, I assume they're from a music library (perhaps Kevin Macleod's?) but I don't know which one. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:53, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Identify this movie

When I was a kid, my mom and I were watching a weekend afternoon movie. I think it was filmed or set during WWII. In a portion, some poor guy was wailing as he was pushing his way through a crowd aboard a vessel. This was while he was bleeding profusely. Afterwards, he jumped overboard into a harbor. What is the movie's title, and what caused the man to bleed?142.255.72.126 (talk) 04:08, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

About what year would this have been? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:11, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And were you watching it on TV or in a movie theater? Do you remember if it was in color or black-and-white? --174.89.48.182 (talk) 05:55, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My mom and I were watching the movie on TV. It was in color.142.255.72.126 (talk) 08:40, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has the categories Category:Films set on ships and Category:World War II films and Category:World War II naval films. That may help you with your research. --Jayron 32 11:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the vessel could be luxury liner. Then again, maybe I could be wrong.142.255.72.126 (talk) 13:42, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ship of Fools (film) springs to mind but it doesn't fit all of your plot points. MarnetteD|Talk 15:22, 30 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"When I was a kid . . ." Give us a clue (as Baseball Bugs requested but you ignored), was this five years ago, fifty years ago, or what? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.162.83 (talk) 18:49, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Last week? --Lambiam 08:08, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 1

What's the musicological term for an intro that sounds like a very different song but it still sounds good?

Like when Rihanna sampled the Numa Numa Mayas, or the song that sampled If I Had A Brain from the Wizard of Oz or something of that flavor and never mentions it again. Or a certain My Heart Will Go On remix, the intro might be the newer half in that one. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:19, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What's wrong with the terms you are already using: Introduction (music) and Sample (music)? I don't think there's a more specific term, but see also Song structure--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:50, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sample would be wrong as both parts could be invented by one guy (Can you sample yourself? Then same time too in a continuous songwriting session) to show "look how random and artistic I am!" Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:21, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In music, this is just called an "Intro". You can see an explanation starting just after the one minute mark here. That's the YouTube Channel of Rick Beato, a record producer and former university music professor. He knows a little something about music. He's done several videos on the "Best intros..." from various instruments and genres, and he generally explains it the same way each time, a "true" intro is musically distinct from the rest of the song, which is different from a riff or ostinato which is repeated throughout the song. An intro sometimes (but not always) makes a comeback during a bridge or closing part of a song, when it does it can be colloquially known as a "midtro" or an "outro" (and sometimes midtros and outros are musically distinct as well), but a proper intro still stands apart from the music of the rest of the song structure. --Jayron 32 10:48, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I had assumed that intro just meant the first part. So now I know. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:10, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[Off topic] Anybody interested in creating a Rick Beato article? He's probably "notable", considering he recently testified before a Congressional hearing as an "expert" regarding fair use of copyrighted music. Just wondering: @Jayron32: are you (also) a subscriber to his YouTube channel? --2606:A000:1126:28D:49BA:5D23:FB04:BB45 (talk) 16:59, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have been for some time. All of his stuff is an excellent watch. Besides his YouTube channel, he's also produced, engineered, mixed, or co-wrote songs with several charting acts, with Parmalee, Needtobreathe and Shinedown among the most notable. There several top-40 songs and big charting albums in there. I've thought about starting the article, but haven't had the energy. Maybe it's time. --Jayron 32 17:32, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

October 3

inquiry about the Will Smith song Miami

In the 23 year old song Miami, when he talks about the word Indian along with other ethnicities he mentions, does he mean American Indian, East Indian, I'm not sure what kind of indian he was talking about that resides in Miami. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.24.220 (talk) 00:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

One of Us

Who were "The Three Boys" who played mandolin on One of Us? Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 02:53, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As listed on the website http://www.abbaomnibus.net, they were Rutger Gunnarsson, Björn Ulvaeus, and Lasse Wellander.

Gunnarson was ABBA's regular bassist who had worked with Ulvaeus prior to the latter's forming ABBA, and Wellander its most prominent studio and tour guitarist, as detailed here. There is an article on him on the Swedish Wikipedia, but not on En.Wikipedia. Ulvaeus you obviously know about.

Why they were thus credited, rather than being explicitly named, for this particular contribution I have no clue. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.162.83 (talk) 05:52, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@@ Line 117: / Line 117: @@
 Who were "The Three Boys" who played mandolin on [[One of Us (ABBA song)|One of Us]]? Thank you, [[User:DuncanHill|DuncanHill]] ([[User talk:DuncanHill|talk]]) 02:53, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
 :As listed on the website http://www.abbaomnibus.net, they were [[Rutger Gunnarsson]], [[Björn Ulvaeus]], and [[Lasse Wellander]].
-:Gunnarson was ABBA's regular bassist who had worked with Ulvaeus prior to the latter's forming ABBA, and Wellander its most prominent studio and tour guitarist, as detailed [https://abbasite.com/people/lasse-wellander/ here]. There is an article on him on the Swedish Wikipedia, but not on EnWikipedia. Ulvaeus you obviously know about.
+:Gunnarson was ABBA's regular bassist who had worked with Ulvaeus prior to the latter's forming ABBA, and Wellander its most prominent studio and tour guitarist, as detailed [https://abbasite.com/people/lasse-wellander/ here]. There is an article on him on the Swedish Wikipedia, but not on En.Wikipedia. Ulvaeus you obviously know about.
-:Why they were thus credited, rather than being explicitly named, for this particular contribution I have no clue. [The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/2.121.162.83|2.121.162.83]] ([[User talk:2.121.162.83|talk]]) 05:52, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
+:Why they were thus credited, rather than being explicitly named, for this particular contribution I have no clue. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} [[Special:Contributions/2.121.162.83|2.121.162.83]] ([[User talk:2.121.162.83|talk]]) 05:52, 3 October 2020 (UTC)