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operational range

Operational range = 1000 (!) km?! --95.134.65.157 (talk) 18:17, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  Why not? It is of course the range of the lorry - not the missile - 1000km is not THAT much range if the fuel consumption is low(and the carrier is a modern lorry, not like a maz-537) 176.11.111.147 (talk)

Models confusion

It seems that the title of the article - 9A52-4 — is simply one of the several modifications of just one of the types of the Tornado MLRS family. And even at that, it's not the system designation, but the code for the launcher vehicle itself (the lightened airdroppable Kama version based on a Kamaz).

Just referencing the Russian article, it seems that there are two major GRAU codes for Tornado series: 9K515 Tornado-S (the ugpraded 300-mm Smerch system), and 9K51M Tornado-G (the upgraded 122-mm Grad system). The upgraded Grad's launcher vehicle (Tornado-G launcher, it mostly looks like a normal Grad) has the GRAU code 2B17M/2B17-1 (export). Tornado-S launcher, then, has the 9A54 code. (9A52 is the base Smerch launcher, B/2/2-K/2-T are various older upgrades to the launcher and export modifications). Finally, the launcher vehicle pictured in this article is 9A52-4, the similarly modern lightweight version of the Smerch with a 6-tube pack, called 9A52-4 Kama.

This is all supremely convoluted, but what seems clear is that the hierarchy is upside down — "Tornado" is the entire new generation of upgrades to Russian MLRS systems (at least to Grad and Smerch); Tornado-G and Tornado-S are two types of this upgrade; and the 9A52-4 lightweight launcher is one of the offers that is a part of this upgrade project, which is not adopted by Russian armed forces, but simply is offered by the manufacturer. AyeBraine (talk) 09:56, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 Operational range = 1000 (!) km?! --[[Special:Contributions/95.134.65.157|95.134.65.157]] ([[User talk:95.134.65.157|talk]]) 18:17, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
    Why not? It is of course the range of the lorry - not the missile - 1000km is not THAT much range if the fuel consumption is low(and the carrier is a modern lorry, not like a maz-537) [[Special:Contributions/176.11.111.147|176.11.111.147]] ([[User talk:176.11.111.147|talk]])
+== Models confusion ==
+It seems that the title of the article - 9A52-4 — is simply one of the several modifications of just one of the types of the Tornado MLRS family. And even at that, it's not the system designation, but the code for the launcher vehicle itself (the lightened airdroppable Kama version based on a Kamaz).
+Just referencing the Russian article, it seems that there are two major GRAU codes for Tornado series: '''9K515 Tornado-S (the ugpraded 300-mm Smerch system), and 9K51M Tornado-G (the upgraded 122-mm Grad system)'''. The upgraded Grad's launcher vehicle (Tornado-G launcher, it mostly looks like a normal Grad) has the GRAU code 2B17M/2B17-1 (export). Tornado-S launcher, then, has the 9A54 code. (9A52 is the base Smerch launcher, B/2/2-K/2-T are various older upgrades to the launcher and export modifications). Finally, the launcher vehicle pictured in this article is 9A52-4, the similarly modern lightweight version of the Smerch with a 6-tube pack, called 9A52-4 Kama.
+This is all supremely convoluted, but what seems clear is that the hierarchy is upside down — "Tornado" is the entire new generation of upgrades to Russian MLRS systems (at least to Grad and Smerch); Tornado-G and Tornado-S are two types of this upgrade; and the 9A52-4 lightweight launcher is one of the offers that is a part of this upgrade project, which is not adopted by Russian armed forces, but simply is offered by the manufacturer. [[User:AyeBraine|AyeBraine]] ([[User talk:AyeBraine|talk]]) 09:56, 10 October 2020 (UTC)