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I am happy working on ways to improve the article, but please do just delete sections en masse. I am copying the below from my talk page discussion with Mondodi. |
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I first came across the Stamford-pedophile links whilst doing some research on gay bars in the UK over the decades using old Spartacus guides. I was quite shocked (and depressed) to see the open espousal of pro-pedophilia sentiments in the magazines, and the support for PIE. As the other editor said, the 'gay=pedo' was an old smear tactic used by the homophobes who opposed gay equality. 99% of the time they were wrong, but a broken clock is right twice a day and in terms of Spartacus there was a clear link (note that PIE also infiltrated the civil rights group Liberty at the same time in an attempt to normalise their cause). |
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Given the seriousness of the allegations, my intention was to document the matter with as much evidence as possible. Maybe this is excessive, but I do not think going the other way and just covering it in one sentence is good either. Maybe something like 'Spartacus supported PIE/paedophilia in issues 1978, 1980, 1981 etc' could be include, with a hatnote on each year with the relevant quote, thus keeping the information on the page but making the main body less list-like? |
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I also divided the article into sections by editor to draw a clear distinction between Stamford and later editors and made it clear the latter distanced themselves from him. Not sure if my wording could be improve to emphasise this point more clearly. As for splitting off the info into a separate Stamford article, this is a possibility, though there is little information of Stamford himself and the only noteworthy thing he did was to create this magazine, so not sure if it is worth it. [[User:WisDom-UK|WisDom-UK]] ([[User talk:WisDom-UK|talk]]) 19:23, 10 October 2020 (UTC) |
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I am happy working on ways to improve the article, but please do just delete sections en masse. I am copying the below from my talk page discussion with Mondodi.
I first came across the Stamford-pedophile links whilst doing some research on gay bars in the UK over the decades using old Spartacus guides. I was quite shocked (and depressed) to see the open espousal of pro-pedophilia sentiments in the magazines, and the support for PIE. As the other editor said, the 'gay=pedo' was an old smear tactic used by the homophobes who opposed gay equality. 99% of the time they were wrong, but a broken clock is right twice a day and in terms of Spartacus there was a clear link (note that PIE also infiltrated the civil rights group Liberty at the same time in an attempt to normalise their cause). Given the seriousness of the allegations, my intention was to document the matter with as much evidence as possible. Maybe this is excessive, but I do not think going the other way and just covering it in one sentence is good either. Maybe something like 'Spartacus supported PIE/paedophilia in issues 1978, 1980, 1981 etc' could be include, with a hatnote on each year with the relevant quote, thus keeping the information on the page but making the main body less list-like? I also divided the article into sections by editor to draw a clear distinction between Stamford and later editors and made it clear the latter distanced themselves from him. Not sure if my wording could be improve to emphasise this point more clearly. As for splitting off the info into a separate Stamford article, this is a possibility, though there is little information of Stamford himself and the only noteworthy thing he did was to create this magazine, so not sure if it is worth it. WisDom-UK (talk) 19:23, 10 October 2020 (UTC)