User talk:John Francis Templeson

Editing about the Safavid dynasty is covered by discretionary sanctions

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Template:Z33 You recently changed the article, removing both text and references. The ethnic identity of the Safavids is the subject of long-running dispute, so you should be aware this is a sensitive subject. Some administrators have the Safavid dynasty on their watchlists for this reason. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 20:44, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes I know, so disputed information must not be in preamble. It can be in sections. John Francis Templeson (talk) 20:57, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Qizilbash

[1] You might wanna read this before you make changes to the Qizilbash again. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:19, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Lol, Original research. If reliable sources claim that it was tribal confederation we must do so. Sources in your version are generalizing and non-profile. We don't need them if we have profile sources. John Francis Templeson (talk) 21:30, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Not original research, simple facts that you disagree with it. So far every source that conflicts with your POV are unreliable according to you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:28, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Inappropriate RFAR

I would strongly urge you to retract this case and ask for uninvolved community input on say the administrator's noticeboard or another venue. It is required for Arbitration cases that you have exhausted reasonable alternatives first, and on first impression you have tried no alternatives there other than a short (4 or 5 message) talk page back and forth that didn't have anything approaching admin intervention required posts. You need to talk to them more, or get other editors to review and comment. You don't need arbitration on this. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 21:43, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Safavid arbitration case request declined

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For the Arbitration Committee, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 03:26, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

February 2017

Your recent editing history at Safavid dynasty shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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- LouisAragon (talk) 14:05, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

Lol, you deleted sourced information, including sources that directly claim that claiming Safavid state as national Iranian state is wrong.... Ok, I will return some time later, then we will continue. John Francis Templeson (talk) 17:39, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

"I will return some time later, then we will continue." Does this constitute a threat to keep edit warring? Because if you come back later to do the same editing you were doing without discussing first you'll get blocked almost immediately, 3RR be damned. CityOfSilver 17:42, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Don't threaten me, please. I already have big wiki-experience in Russian Wikipedia and know what to do. By the way, such so unreasoned deletion of academic sources is WP:DIS. John Francis Templeson (talk) 17:54, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

So that's a "yes." You're going to come back and edit war against consensus, and you think you'll avoid being blocked by claiming others are being disruptive. Heh. Good luck. CityOfSilver 19:25, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Definetely at Mir Jumla II as well.[2] - LouisAragon (talk) 14:22, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

May 2017

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Murph9000 (talk) 11:13, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

I just changed its place so I can answer it. What's wrong. John Francis Templeson (talk) 11:18, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

See the talk page guidelines. Changing the order of comments in a long discussion can impact the meaning of them, sometimes in quite subtle ways. People place and indent their comments based on the comment they are replying to. Moving them can make it look like they were replying to something quite different. I'm not suggesting that there was bad intent here, it's just something that is problematic and best avoided. Either reply beneath the existing comment (in its original position) with one or more additional levels of indent (two or more if needed to ensure that the existing replies are appropriately distinct from your new reply), or use names and quotes to clearly identify a previous comment when adding a new comment at the bottom of the discussion. Thanks. Murph9000 (talk) 11:26, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions alert, please read

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You have shown interest in Armenia, Azerbaijan, or related conflicts. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.

Template:Z33 Doug Weller talk 15:49, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Topic banned from the Middle East, Caucasus region, Iranian peoples and Turkic peoples, broadly construed

This is a notification that you have been topic banned 6 months from any edits relating to the Middle East, Caucasus region, Iranian peoples and Turkic peoples, broadly construed, based on the consensus from this community discussion.

This editing restriction has been logged here. qedk (t 桜 c) 18:31, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Please note, you are also banned from creating new sections at WP:ANI, WP:3O and any RfCs for a period of 6 months. --qedk (t 桜 c) 18:31, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

[3]. John Francis Templeson (talk) 19:23, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

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