Talk:Salvador Allende

Jewish ancestry

There should be mention of his Jewish ancestry alongside his Belgian and Basque descent as his mother, Laura Gossens Uribe, was at least of partial Jewish descent herself as reported by Der Spiegel: link 73.10.45.43 (talk) 17:25, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

It may merit a mention, but Judaism is a religion and not an "ancestry". 70.29.99.120 (talk) 05:26, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

You are literally contradicting Wikipedia itself. Embarrassing.

Just noting that 73.10.45.43 seems to be an account with a single purpose of attempting to insert "jewish ancestry" claims into biography articles. Probably not worth engaging with. Simonm223 (talk) 13:06, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Allende was not a fucking Marxist.

Your goddamned citations don't even prove the shit...and this article has zero protection? Quelle surprise... 70.29.99.120 (talk) 05:23, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

You're engaging in historical revisionism and denial, my foul-mouthed friend. The PS party that Allende belonged to declared themselves to be Marxist–Leninist in November 1967, nearly three years before Allende was elected president, and, not to mention that he was also aligned with the Unidad Popular movement, which included the Communist Party of Chile, which is (not surprising) also Marxist–Leninist in orientation. And of course he hosted Fidel Castro in 1971. 2601:8C:4500:4680:9165:F232:710C:168A (talk) 03:51, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

To 70.29.99.120 (talk) 05:23, 5 July 2018 (UTC) of course HE was a MARXIST!

You fool!

Real wages chart

Small point, but the Dornbusch and Edwards chart of real wages is from their 1989 working paper, not from the published paper of 1990 cited in footnote 59. The latter includes a different, simplified version of the chart. Suggest changing either the chart or the footnote. 82.9.115.128 (talk) 08:58, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

US involvement in the coup

Documents from the CIA do not show that the US was involved in the coup; in fact, they show the exact opposite. The article about United States intervention in Chile contains some quotes from relevant documents; the general sentiment was that the US had considered overthrowing Allende, and had given political support to his opponents, but while they were aware of the coup, the orders were explicitly not to involve themselves in one. Likewise, transcripts of phone conversations between Kissinger and Nixon again show that the US didn't have a hand in the coup. There's no evidence that the US was involved.

It is undoubtedly the case that the US put pressure on Allende, but that's not the same as participating in the coup. The paragraph there has needed a citation since 2016. Titanium Dragon (talk) 19:10, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

I've added citations, as you've probably seen by now. The CIA documents are primary sources, and we need to defer to secondary sources where they exist (and they exist here). Winn and others say fairly explicitly that US support was crucial to the overthrow of Allende and Pinochet's consolidation of power. Vanamonde (talk) 20:39, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Misleading / Uninformative Chart from the Journal of Development Economics (Source 66)

I would like to replace the diagram from the Journal of Development Economics with one I found in a newer in depth study published by the Centro de Estudios Públicos: https://www.cepchile.cl/cep/site/docs/20160304/20160304092903/rev85_beyer_lefoulon_ing.pdf

The new diagram is sighted under Figure No. 1 and gives a far more accurate representation of Chilean wages for the following reasons:

1. It is not as misleading from a mere statistical point of view, since the diagram Y-Axis starts at 0. The impact of Allende's policies on wages might currently be perceived as being far more extreme to someone unfamiliar with statistics, because in the current diagram, it looks like wages dropped to zero when not being aware of the y-axis.

2. The new diagram is far more up to date and therefor allows to directly compare Allende's policies to those of following and non-socialist governments in general.

3. Most importantly, the authors actually focused on the topic of wealth inequality, not just macroeconomics, which is already sighted as the issue primarily adressed by Allende's politics. Clearly visible is the immense difference between wages of the 50th percentile and the 90th percentile around 1970. The evaluation of the following decline in wages has to include the fact that Allende's policies indeed managed to eliminate income inequality, since wages of all percentiles were effectively the same when he died. Since it is known by now, that the overall decline of income is related to US economic interference at least as much as to Allende's politics themselves, it is safe to say that for the people that voted for him - who were the poorest of Chileans - his politics were indeed a complete success. This becomes even clearer when looking at the following decades, where inequal payment is present once again and people in the poorer half of the population don't profit from increases in wealth as much as they should.

The depiction of the 99th percentile would have been especially interesting, since it would have given insight into the earnings of the profiteurs of US copper companies or ITT. This graph would surely be an even better depiction of wealth inequality, sadly I didn't find something on the topic so far.

I would need help replacing the file though, since I'm new to Wikipedia and not familiar with licenses etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElrikLeBaum (talk • contribs) 10:56, 12 September 2019 (UTC)