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Cn span

How do you add/remove a citation span? I've been seeing that template from other articles. Thankyou Apollogone (talk) 04:50, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Apollogone, are you referring to Template:Citation needed span, which is a less-used alternative to the more common Template:Citation needed? For both, you can just delete it once you've added a citation, although for the span template, you need to be a little more careful with the code. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:38, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Apollogone. You can find some information on this kind of thing in Template:Citation needed span. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Apollogone: The key with the span template is to be sure not to remove the statement that is wrapped with it. E.g., In:

{{Cn-span|date=October 2020|text=This is the statement.}}

you remove the red and add the purple, changing it to:

This is the statement.<ref>{{Cite ...}}</ref>

I hope this helps. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:16, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: This is great thank you. I'm still familiarizing myself with the templates because there's alot. Btw, would there be any reason why I shouldn't remove the statement wrapped with a span? Apollogone (talk) 09:43, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey thanks to all who enlghtened me. Sure is a help! Apollogone (talk) 09:40, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Apollogone: The reason is that statement is rendered as part of the article. The purpose of the template is to mark that statement as needing a cite. So, the point of this is, when you find a citation for the statement, you remove the template and add the cite. If you can't find a cite, the advice at Template:Citation needed/doc#How to respond to this tag is Except for contentious claims about living people, which should be immediately removed if not cited, there is no specific deadline for providing citations. Please do not delete information that you believe is correct solely because no one has provided a citation within an arbitrary time limit. If there is some uncertainty about its accuracy, most editors are willing to wait at least a month to see whether a citation can be provided. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:56, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: This is great, thanks for the important information. Apollogone (talk) 04:45, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Twinkle

How to revert someone's edits; I mean how can I revert someone's edits which appear disruptive? And How to use and enable Twinkle to my account.  Abhishek Kasaudhan 123 ( talk) 08:22, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

How to revert someone's edits: Help:Reverting. You can enable Twinkle in your Preferences, section "Gadgets". Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Abhishek Kasaudhan 123: Remember to include a good edit summary when you revert someone! For Twinkle, if you don't revert for vandalism, the gadget will have a pop-up asking for your edit summary. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 11:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi there; I'm still a bit confused about one thing that sometimes while reverting someone's edits, I saw people mentioning something like this, "Undid revision 95836362 by XYZ." So, do they manage to it manually/on their own; or some special tools help them. In addition to, if there are such tools, then how can I enable them to my account and use them for reverting disruptive edits? Abhishek Kasaudhan 123 ( talk) 13:16, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Abhishek Kasaudhan 123: When you look at the "View history" tab of an article to see the edit history, each edit has an "undo" link at the end. See WP:UNDO. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:58, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hey there; I can't find the undo option anywhere! Or maybe its not being enabled to my account; if it is so, I would love to see the procedure of unlocking it. Please help me through out this. Thanks Abhishek Kasaudhan 123 ( talk) 11:46, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Abhishek Kasaudhan 123: Look at Special:PageHistory/Shalu railway station. The latest entry shows:

•  ... (Adding short description: "Railway station ...) (undo | thank)

—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Need Help

Hello There Hosts! I recently created an article Draft:Rohan Solomon which clearly meets the wp:gng criteria as it does have Independent Reliable Sources to it, But it got rejected by a reviewer stating This draft does not appear to indicate which of the musical notability criteria is satisfied. If at least one of the criteria is satisfied, please revise this draft appropriately, with a reliable source, if necessary stating on the talk page which criterion is met, and resubmit. But as I see that it is meeting the GNG criteria clearly, but I am not sure if its enough or not to qualify as The reviewer must have seen the links cited, It would be great if someone can guide me (if the draft is missing the major thing which isn't allowing it to pass the musical notability criteria. Thanks Dtt1^Talk 07:44, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Dtt1, it looks like there are 14 sources in that draft currently. Could you provide us with the three you think best establish Solomon's notability? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:59, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Sdkb Yes sure, The best three sources are-

• The Hindu - This
• Rolling Stone India - | This
• Telangana Today - This Dtt1^Talk 08:12, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

The first and third of those are based on interviews with Solomon, and so don't qualify as independent. The second is a listing, with no discussion. What Wikipedia needs to establish notability is several reliable independent sources with in-depth discussion of the subject. Maproom (talk) 09:40, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Maproom please check This This, This and This Dtt1^Talk 06:56, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

No, no, no and no. The first three are based on what Solomon said, and so not independent; the fourth says he hosted a party, but has no discussion of him. Maproom (talk) 08:59, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Government published books

Is government published books trusted on Wikipedia? and Is the books who published by government considered reliable source on Wikipedia?. The books like :-

1.Census of India, 1961: Madhya Pradesh Volume 8, Issue 2 of Census of India, 1961, India. Office of the Registrar General

2.Madhya Pradesh: Narsimhapur. Supplement Gazetteer of India Volume 7 of Madhya Pradesh: District Gazetteers, Madhya Pradesh (India)

3.Madhya Pradesh District Gazetteers: Chhindwara Gazetteer of India Volume 37 of Madhya Pradesh District Gazetteers, Madhya Pradesh (India) Sumit banaphar (talk) 08:31, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Yeah--Paul ❬talk❭ 08:34, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

So can I make changes while using these sources as a reference (consensus)Sumit banaphar (talk) 10:45, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Sumit banaphar: Only with consensus, which you don't have. Two other editors and I have objected to your edits. Courtesy links: Talk:Banaphar, Talk:Udal of Mahoba, Talk:Alha. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:43, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@◢  Ganbaruby! :-Sir just tell me one thing that if I'm providing you the links of government published books which is consider reliable source everywhere. Than what's the problem? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumit banaphar (talk • contribs) 15:50, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Answer me Sumit banaphar (talk) 06:40, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Sumit banaphar: unfortunately the response from "Paul" (Paul Carpenter) above was misleading. A book published by a government is fairly likely to be a reliable source (in comparison to a personal blog, for instance), but if you take a moment to read the Reliable Sources guideline you will see that it is always a question of context. Per the reliable sources guideline, "[i]nformation provided in passing by an otherwise reliable source that is not related to the principal topics of the publication may not be reliable; editors should cite sources focused on the topic at hand where possible." For example, a census of India from 1961 could be used to verify population figures in 1961, although since it is a primary source it would be preferrable to find a secondary source. But it could obviously not be used to verify population figures for 1991, and as for information "provided in passing", it could not be used to falsify a reliable scholarly source from the 2000s. Questions about whether a particular source can be used to verify a particular claim in a particular article are better asked at the reliable sources noticeboard. --bonadea contributions talk 07:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes perhaps I should have mentioned that being considered reliable doesn't make it anything the most or absolutely reliable. --Paul ❬talk❭ 10:25, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@bonadea:-it is written in the page but honestly I didn't get that who to write the notice to ask that a source is realible for a particular article.So can you tell meSumit banaphar (talk) 07:57, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Sumit banaphar: I will do my best. Please let me know if any of the following is not clear.

Start by searching the noticeboard archives, which you will find on the right-hand side of WP:RSN (the search box right under the text "Search the noticeboard archives".) Read any discussions that come up in your search, and see if it is in fact the same source that is discussed (for instance, if you search for "Gazetteer" there are some discussions about the old British Raj gazetteers of India, which are a different thing). If you should find a previous discussion in the RSN archives about one of the sources you are asking about, provide a link to that, and you should also link to the article talk pages where the sources have been brought up recently.

Present each source. The information you gave above (publisher, title, and so on) is just what is needed, except that you should also include the publication year and the page number(s) for the text you want to use as a source. If there are links to where the source can be read online, add those as well, but remember that the links are much less important than the source information.

Link to the Wikipedia article where you think the source should be used, and quote the exact statement in that article that should be supported by the source – or the statement you think is contradicted by the source you present. Give enough context from the source you present to make it clear what the source says; as far as I have been able to tell, the sources you listed above are not possible to read online except in "snippet view" which does not give a lot of context, so it would be very helpful to the people at RSN if you could also quote the parts that can't be seen in that view.

Since you are also trying to show that the new sources you present are more reliable than the existing source, you will need to explain why that is the case.

I hope this makes sense – other Teahouse hosts are more than welcome to chime in and explain bits I missed. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 08:47, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Notable or not? New article about indie band.

Hello. I'm interested in writing an article about the band Spring Offensive. Though I'm not sure if the article would be considered notable enough or not. I think the main issue would be that they haven't been active the last years with the exception of a concert they wanted to perform in May this year (which has been postponed to May 2021 due to the pandemic) . They toured a handful of countries in Europe when they were active and they still use their Twitter & Facebook page, their music is on Spotify, Apple Music, etc. and I've been able to find some articles about them to source the information about things like the band members positions, location, tour dates, the music released. Guidance on this would be appreciated. Thank you for reading. Neon700 (talk) 15:32, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Neon700: Notability is based on whether "a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" (WP:N). They don't have to be particularly active, nor does their music have to be on streaming platforms. Instead, a good article should have multiple of these reliable sources to back up the information. Refer to WP:YFA for some general guidelines on creating an article. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 16:03, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

@Neon700: I've created a few articles on indie bands that have been accepted. The best thing to do is to search for articles that are not based on interviews or press releases. Reviews of their releases or concerts are best for this, in my experience. You may be able to find some interviews with the band that have an introductory section giving some background about them that you could also use, but this on its own would not confer notability. Start by trying to find the sources and summarise what they say, without adding any of your personal knowledge that is not contained in them. Good luck! 90.247.254.61 (talk) 12:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

That last comment was by me, but I forgot to log in! Turner Street (talk) 12:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

G’day

Just wondering if I am able to upload a game logo and use it for an userbox, or if this is against the image upload policy. Thanks in advance :) Phrotonz (talk) 01:50, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Phrotonz: See WP:LOGOS. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 02:11, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Phrotonz: Specifically, Wikipedia:Logos#Placement, which says ... Non-free logos are also not allowed to be placed in drafts, user sandboxes, or any other page that isn't in the article namespace. (i.e., do not use them in userboxes). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:21, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Page adding

How do I add a page on Wikipedia? Kapkzt Animates (talk) 02:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Kapkzt Animates: Writing an article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. See WP:YFA for more details. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 02:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Kapkzt Animates, as Ganbaruby says, creating an article from scratch is difficult. It requires extensive knowledge of Wikipedia policy, and for someone who has never edited before, it can be extremely frustrating. It's better for new editors to focus on making improvements to existing articles for a few months, which gives you the chance to learn our policies. What is it you're interested in writing an article about? There may be related articles that would also interest you and which would let you get that experience. —valereee (talk) 11:57, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Splitting a Page - When and How

I have been adding to this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Art_Deco_buildings_in_Perth for a while now and it is getting bigger and bigger. Am wondering of the merits of perhaps creating more linked smaller pages - maybe by category? Any other suggestions? How Would do I actually implement a split? Anyone want to give me a hand setting it up please? PerthDeco (talk) 03:21, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: At a size of roughly 20kb ([1]), it isn't big enough of a page to be split on the basis of size. There aren't distinctly different topics on that page either. Overall I don't think a split is needed, but if you still think so, the relevant guideline is at WP:SPLIT, and the procedure on how to do so is further down the page. Do not split the page without consensus! ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 04:04, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: Thank you I appreciate your feedback - was just thinking in terms of most people using their phones for info these days then this page becomes a very long scroll. Will leave it for a few more months and see how it develops. Cheers PerthDeco (talk) 03:02, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: The page is divided into 14 sections, which display one section at a time, no? Opening a section is much faster than having to tap a link and load another page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:27, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Youtube

Hello. I read WP:YOUTUBE and I am still a little confused. When exactly can you use a Youtube video as a citation? If your only source for a claim, or statement of fact, is a Youtube video, wouldn't that automatically make the claim UNDUE or OR (especially for a BLP)? Thanks! Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 06:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC) Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 06:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d. It is certainly true that the vast majority of YouTube videos are of no use as Wikipedia references. However, if the YouTube channel is the official channel of a reliable source such a a respected media outlet or an academic who has been previously published in the topic area, then the video may be reliable. A YouTube video that offers basic non-controversial biographical information may also be acceptable, if uploaded by that person. For example, the person saying they were born in such and such a town in a certain year, and graduated from such and such a university two plus decades later. If the person has a reputation as a liar, then the YouTube video should be excluded. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:02, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Cullen328: That makes more sense. I'm assuming if the person made a more contentious or controversial claim in a Youtube video, such as "I don't believe in climate change" or whatnot, then we would not be allowed to include that statement--unless, of course, we had a RS that reported on that statement? Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 08:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

They saying it on their own YouTube channel would be a reliable source for the fact that they had said it. But unless this had been reported on by independent sources, I'm not sure that that claim would be encyclopaedic. --ColinFine (talk) 09:23, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources

What are reliable sources (definition) if I am writing an article about an artist? and how to submit that source of information for verification of wiki team. ? Please guide me Arvindervirk92 (talk) 07:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Arvindervirk92: Does WP:Reliable sources help you? There is also a list of sources who have been wiely discussed about their reliability. Its located here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:35, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Arvindervirk92, if this is about Draft:Riyaaz, I suspect you have misunderstood the "decline" notices at the top, which are misleading. It's not enough for the sources to be reliable. To establish that Riyaaz is notable, you'll need to cite several reliable independent published sources with significant discussion of the subject. The draft currently cites only two sources (one of them twice), and while Times of India maybe be reliable, neither of the sources has any discussion of him. Maproom (talk) 07:57, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Arvindervirk92 Hi, could i also add that YouTube is not a reliable source and will not be accepted as a source in any form of way as anyone can post on YouTube.Trains2050 (talk) 08:26, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

References

Hi, I've had a new page declined because it doesn't show any references. The problem is that all my references are on paper and pre-date the internet. The league's and competitions that the club competed in either no longer exist or the older recorded are not online. I do have plenty of photographs and documents though.

The page is: Draft:Northfield Harriers FC.

Thanks Andre AndrzejVillan (talk) 09:58, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

AndrzejVillan Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Reliable sources or references do not need to be online, but they do need to be publicly accessible for verification purposes. If the references are documents that are only in your private hands(i.e. not in a library or accessible newspaper archive) they would not be acceptable for referencing a Wikipedia article. I've linked to the draft so others can see it. A Wikipedia article needs to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of (in this case) a notable organization.

I'm wondering if you have an association with this team, if so, please review conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 10:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation

I submitted my article for review but I saw this message at the bottom of the page Warning: The page Joe Lazarus redirects to Joseph Lazarus. Please ensure it is not a copy or that this page is located to the correct title. How can I fix that? Here's the draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Joe_Lazarus

 Donnaocchineri (talk) 10:29, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Donnaocchineri, that's nothing to worry about. At present, Joe Lazarus is a redirect to Joseph Lazarus. Your draft is about a drummer, the existing article is about a boxer (though the entity that placed the warning didn't realise that). If and when your draft is accepted as an article, it will be up to the accepting reviewer to deal with the redirect and to do any necessary disambiguation between the two subjects. Maproom (talk) 12:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

User:Donnaocchrineri - I thank you for being alert and asking a reasonable question about a reasonable notice. The procedure for dealing with multiple articles on different subjects with the same or similar names is known as Disambiguation. (It appears that you knew that, because that is the title that you gave to this thread.) In this case, I have disambiguated your draft to Draft:Joe Lazarus (musician). I have also added a note that, if it is accepted, a hatnote should be added at the top of the page for the boxer. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you for your help and answers Donnaocchineri (talk) 19:52, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Are specific awards enough for a wiki?

I've been trying to find astronomy topics and I recently came across these awards pages. There are astronomers here who have won awards but don't have wikis. Can I assume their wiki articles would stick based on these awards? Or do I need to look at them on a case by case basis and have other features that would make them ready for Wikipedia? Thanks for the help! Petrie Prize Lecture, National Prize for Exact Sciences (Chile), Barringer Medal, Beatrice M. Tinsley Prize & Annie Jump Cannon Award in Astronomy.  Shootin Starz (talk) 10:30, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Each of those are Wikipedia list articles at which some of the recipients are not themselves subjects of Wikipedia articles. You are right to consider them potentially article-worthy, but the award itself is not sufficient to establish notability. One approach would be to model a draft on the existing articles about other winners of those awards, most of which have many references. David notMD (talk) 10:47, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

P.S. Remember to 'sign' and date your comments by typing four of ~ at the end. David notMD (talk) 10:51, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

If having won these awards gathered significant coverage (i.e. more than just a passing mention) then maybe. But it really comes down to how much has actually been said about them. --Paul ❬talk❭ 10:52, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Allegations in the controversy section and giant killer

Hello everyone, In the controversy section of D. K. Shivakumar, there are a lot of allegations about him and some not convicted by the court. I read about blp and it goes against it mainly WP:BLPCRIME.

There is also a word "giant killer" in the political career section. He is not known as giant killer.

I think his political opponents are adding these in the page. There are also content in the controversy which is out of context. I don't know all the policies, can it be removed? ಅರುಣ್ ಜಯರಾಮನ್ (talk) 11:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm working on getting rid of the unsourced stuff. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 14:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Deleted?

I made an addition to several articles, all of which dealt with the same issue. This was later removed and I’d like to know why. Can you please help me contact the person who removed my content so I can find out why. Thanks 172.58.59.70 (talk) 11:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You have no other edits from your IP address other than this post; if you have an account, please log in before posting so we can look at your edits in order to help you. If you don't wish to do that; you may check the edit history of the article to see who reverted your edits, and begin a discussion on the article talk page, or the user talk page of the user involved. 331dot (talk) 11:28, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Would help if you provide the names of the articles. David notMD (talk) 14:55, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I want to change my username

Please help me how can I edit my user name Mehedi Hassan Lpn (talk) 12:59, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mehedi Hassan Lpn the instructions for this are at Wikipedia:Changing username. If you have an email address attached to your account, you can make a request at Special:GlobalRenameRequest. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:02, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Director Matt Amato

Hello! My article about Director Matt Amato was denied after much painstaking work :( I would like some advice as I was very careful to follow guidelines with citations, relevant quotes, etc. Can you show me specifics of what you considered inappropriate so I can fix it? Of course, I would like to continue editing until it can be published successfully. Thanks for your guidance in advance! Producer 4.5.92 (talk) 14:06, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Producer 4.5.92, Draft:Matt Amato is absurdly promotional in tone. I assume that your are a PR professional: such people often find it impossible to write in the neutral, encyclopedic, tone which is required in Wikipedia. (It also contains several direct external links, which are against Wikipedia policy. But that will be much easier to deal with.) Maproom (talk) 14:28, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I see you have uploaded to Wikimedia Commons a still from one of Amato's works, claiming it as your own work. That's likely to be deleted soon, as a copyright violation. Maproom (talk) 14:35, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

The declining reviewer left specific comments. Also, see your Talk page for requirement to either declare Paid editing or else clearly state that you are not being paid for this effort. Likewise, if you are personally connected to Matt, declare conflict-of-interest. David notMD (talk) 15:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Cyclone Josie help

Can someone help me on my Cyclone Josie draft? There is a link to it on my user page. CyclonicStormYutu (talk) 14:25, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

What specifically would you like help with? 331dot (talk) 14:26, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

 197.239.94.186 (talk) 14:31, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I need help editing the lead, Impacts, citing sources, and refs. CyclonicStormYutu (talk) 14:33, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Cyclone Josie. Teahouse volunteers provide advice, but are not here to become co-authors. Consider asking editors as Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones for help. Also, per User page mention of your fictional work, your Sandbox at Wikipedia is not a place to create fiction. Please copy elsewhere and delete. David notMD (talk) 15:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@David notMD: You said to delete the sandbox. I assume you haven't seen this discussion of it for the MfD: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:CyclonicStormYutu/Sandbox/Hypothetical Tropical Cyclones. CyclonicStormYutu (talk) 17:30, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Had not seen, and understand situation better. David notMD (talk) 18:21, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Undo

Please help me enable undo option; which will help me fight vandalism much easier than ever. Thanks Abhishek this side( Say hi!) 14:39, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Abhishek Kasaudhan 123: You, like everyone else, should be able to undo edits, and the link you gave tells you how. Sometimes, undoing will not work because there are subsequent edits that make a direct undo impossible, in which you'll have to manually change the text again. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 15:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Furigana

Hello,how do you add furigana To kanji? 178.40.29.168 (talk) 15:50, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not quite sure if you are asking how information about furigana can be added to the article Kanji, or if you're wondering about the process of adding actual furigana when you are writing kanji. If you are asking about editing the Wikipedia article, you could go to the talk page, Talk:Kanji, and ask your question there. I see that there is already some information about furigana in the article, but if you feel that something important is missing, that's the place to ask about it.

If your question has to do with the process, the Teahouse can't help you with that I'm afraid – this is a place for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. You could try the Reference desk, perhaps. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 17:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Johnny's disk

Hello, i am a noob and i am seeking help for a page about japanese jazz label johnny's disk. i have created a draft but as ai am a noob... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Johnny%27s_disk

thank you very much for help Cluster2600 (talk) 16:19, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Cluster2600. I'm afraid my advice to new editors thinking of creating an article is always "don't even think of it until you've spent a few weeks or months working on improving some of our tens of thousands of existing substandard articles and learning how Wikipedia works". Otherwise it's like going to your first French lesson and then trying to do a podcast in French.

The most obvious problem with your draft is that you have no independent sources. In an article about Johnny's Disk, Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything that Johnny's disk say, have published, or want to say. It is only interested in what several people who have no connection with the label, and have not been prompted or provided with information by the label, have chosen to publish about the label in reliable sources. If you cannot find such sources, then the label does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability and no article on them will be accepted. This means that if you don't begin by finding those sources, then all work you do on the article is liable to be wasted. Have a look at your first article for more. --ColinFine (talk) 17:47, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for the advice, but the analogy was wrong as i am a native french speaker... Cluster2600 (talk) 21:18, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Using an image as a reference

Is it accepted to use a photograph of a document as an article reference? I have several photographs of old newspaper stories, indicating the notability of the article's subject. Will wikipedia accept those as references? Vtranz (talk) 16:58, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Vtranz: in the case you describe IMO no, but you can still cite the newspaper. Most of the mayor newspapers have archives. Make sure to include Newspaper name, release date, edition number, page number, article title, and likewsise. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:47, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Vtranz. The important part of a citation is the bibliographic information which will allow a reader to find it even if it is not available on the web - title, date, author, newspaper, page etc. A link is a convenience for the reader, not an essential part of the reference. A picture of the story will often be a copyright infringement anyway, and even if it is not, unless the image is from a reputable publisher, there could be doubt as to its authenticity. --ColinFine (talk) 17:50, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

thank you Victor and Colin. That is very helpful information! much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vtranz (talk • contribs) 18:28, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Question

Please where can i chat on wikipidia Habeeb Bello (talk) 17:00, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Habeeb Bello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Discussion about working on Wikipedia or about improving articles, usually takes place on the talk pages of articles, or on project pages like this one. But it is possible to get help via IRC: see WP:IRC (I've never been on it myself). If you are talking about chat for social purposes, then please note that Wikipedia is not social media: it is an encyclopaedia, and all our work here should be mainly focussed on building it. --ColinFine (talk) 17:54, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Deleting instead of fixing

How common is it for wiki editors to delete things instead of fixing them? I have been looking at some edit histories, and it seems to be very prevalent. This seems like a very callous, lazy way to go about editing...looking for edits that need a little work and deleting them instead of fixing them. Are there any rules against this? It seems like this could easily be used as a form of censorship and there should be clear rules against it. I added some very important information to an article and it was removed quickly, but only needed a quick improvement to make it work. I find this very disheartening, as I found this edit to be very substantial and it was my first edit. Covidtonthemurderhornet (talk) 17:01, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

User:Covidtonthemurderhornet It appears that you have a content dispute about John Ioannidis. You should discuss it with the other editor at Talk:John Ioannidis. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:08, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

It appears that the other editor explained their revert on the article talk page. I suggest that you reply to them there. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:11, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

i have a beginner question regarding wikipedia in general as well, in case you didn't notice....am i misunderstanding the purpose of this Teahouse section? Covidtonthemurderhornet (talk) 17:23, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Covidtonthemurderhornet. Don't be disheartened, sometimes editors communicate through making changes and providing concise edit summaries rather than direct discussion. I know this seems impersonal and blunt but it's the most efficient way of doings things. It seems from looking at the page revisions that the other editor kindly helped your edits conform to Manual of Style guidelines on a few prior occasions, rather than reverting them wholesale. It's our responsibility as editors to make sure our edits are correct, we can't expect other editors to fix them for us, even though they sometimes might. Zindor (talk) 17:31, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

You aren't necessarily misunderstanding. The purpose of Teahouse is to help new editors figure out how to edit Wikipedia. When we're asked about how to handle a content dispute, often our answer is, "Discuss it with the other editor at the article talk page." Teahouse doesn't actually try to intervene in content disputes.

However, your first question wasn't answered. "How common is it for editors to delete instead of fixing?" Well, it depends on a lot of things. We remove anything that isn't adequately sourced, especially if it's potentially libelous to a living person. We remove anything that is sourced to something that doesn't look reliable. In this case, I see your addition was sourced to biospace.com, which I haven't heard of, but which appears to be a news aggregator and job posting site. In general we wouldn't consider that a reliable source.

But again, the answer is going to be: go back to the article talk and discuss this with the other editor. —valereee (talk) 18:03, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

And you made a common beginner's error: changing content in the Lead without first incorporating it into the body of the article. After the revert, you took the appropriate steps, and the content is now in the article and the Lead. Separate issue: Edit summaries are for brief descriptions of the changes made to the article. Anything about why the changes were made belongs in Talk, especially if related to discussing actions of another editor. David notMD (talk) 18:39, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

thank you very much to everyone! i feel much better about editing now Covidtonthemurderhornet (talk) 20:25, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Question

please if you no the place where you can on wikipidia please send me the link Habeeb Bello (talk) 17:08, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

This is a place to ask questions, but you have not asked a question. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:12, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Masen146

 Masen146 (talk) 17:21, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Masen146. Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 17:40, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Question

How do i add a page on wikipidia Habeeb Bello (talk) 17:51, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Habeeb Bello, please read Help:Your first article. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 17:55, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello again, Habeeb Bello. Please see my answer to the question #Johnny's disk a few items further up the page. --ColinFine (talk) 17:57, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Habeeb Bello! Assuming you want to create an article, first make sure you have sources that shows your topic is WP:NOTABLE, otherwise it's a waste of time. If you have that, read Help:Your first article carefully. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:57, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine & Gråbergs Gråa Sång, I think i have assumed good faith enough, they appear to have asked this same question twice before & have had their question answered accordingly. This right here is a major concern for me & appears to be a major tale sign of trolling, if I am to AGF, I’d say this might be a very young editor. Celestina007 (talk) 08:19, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

That does look like trolling, I see bonadea mentioned it: [2]. We'll see what happens. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:34, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Bello Habeeb

is it possiple to edit your username Habeeb Bello (talk) 17:58, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Habeeb Bello, yes, WP:Changing username is a good place to start. If your rename is straight forward, you can use Special:GlobalRenameRequest, where a volunteer will rename you. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 18:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Question

how can i add or remove an article Habeeb Bello (talk) 18:27, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

You already got an answer on how to create an article: Help:Your first article. There are several options for deleting an article, including nominating article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Did you have a specific article in mind? David notMD (talk) 18:43, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Writing about living Dutch artist

Hey there! I am writing about a living Dutch artist and I was just wondering if quoting printed newspapers, exhibitions catalogues and art magazines (written by curators and art galleries) is consider to be reliable reference? She produced a lot of work before 2000s and there're few online version of these documents since most of them are not digitalised. How can I solve this? Thanks! Elisadesapinto (talk) 19:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

@Elisadesapinto: in general, printed sources are perfectly acceptable. Wikipedia:Verifiability#What_counts_as_a_reliable_source may also be of inteerest. Please add at least the name, ISBN (for books) DOI numbers (mainly acedemic works) or newspaper names and edition (for newspapers) respecitvely. Page numbers would also be a good idea. In general, try to add as much information to the references as you have. Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:30, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Sources?

Hello, I've just got a small question. I recently edited a wikipedia article although it said that the source I gave wasn't a valid source and I was wondering, what can I use for a source when editing something? AestheticAllison2841 19:20, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

AestheticAllison2841, it looks like this was at Goth subculture? —valereee (talk) 19:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

That edit was reverted by a bot whose job it is to recognize and remove content added by newer users to sources that are often considered not-reliable. Southpark.fandom.com appears to be a crowdsourced website -- anyone can basically add anything, there's no true editorial oversight? Wikipedia in general does not like to use such sources. We're looking for reliable sources, which you can read more about at WP:Reliable source. If something like this (the appearance of goths in an episode of South Park?) hasn't been mentioned in reliable sources, we often consider it not noteworthy -- that is, not every appearance of a goth character in every TV show is worth mentioning. —valereee (talk) 19:38, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh okay! That makes sense, thank you for your time.

Defining and birth place, which has precedent?

Based on Wikipedia:Defining, if a person was born in their home country, say the United Kingdom, and they moved when they were a child to a different country, like the United States. Do we still list them under the defining category of People from the United Kingdom since that was their birth place or do we ignore it altogether and list only where they spent the majority of their life (i.e. the United States) since that has the most significance in their life? Thanks! Snickers2686 (talk) 19:44, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Greetings, Snickers2686. I would say that it really depends how reliable sources refer to that person. Per the guideline you listed, a defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having—such as nationality or notable profession (emphasis in original). If their British ancestry is not well known and is rarely mentioned in reliable sources, we should probably not use that category for them at all. If sources do regularly refer to their British heritage, it may make sense to put them in a category such as Category:American people of British descent‎ or one of its subcategories. I hope this helps, and if anyone else has anything to add, please do. CThomas³ (talk) 22:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Problem with The Wikipedia Adventure

I'm having a problem with the wikipedia adventure. Whenever it tells me to edit something I go into the editor and then I can't proceed any further in that chapter. The message telling me to click on Edit Source remains and doesn't leave. What do I do? Blaze Wolf &#124 Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 20:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Blaze The Wolf, welcome to the Teahouse. It's difficult to say what might be causing the issue. Next time this issue occurs perhaps try bypassing your cache or failing that purge the page. Sometimes trying a different browser could be the solution. If the problem persists and we can't figure this out, let me know and i'll help you file a detailed phabricator request to get it fixed. Zindor (talk) 23:24, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the exact same thing happened to me. I've actually never finished the whole adventure. I made it a little bit further by going into the Custom Skins (in the "Beta" section) and changing it to the default setting. Maybe that will work for you for the entire game. (it didn't for me though) Please alert me when you figure out. Cheers, Shadowblade08 (talk) 00:23, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I tested the adventure earlier and had some rendering problems (albeit different than described above). I'd welcome others to add their experiences to this thread so the devs know how to improve the experience for new editors. Zindor (talk) 00:39, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

So I tried purging the page whenever it got to editing and it got me as far as Mission 3 before that stopped being effective. What do I do now? Blaze Wolf &#124 Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 14:02, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

PS, I'm on a chromebook so I don't know what the key combination to bypass cache is. (I have no command key or F1-F12 keys)

Yes, well whatever happens, be sure to let me know, cause I really enjoyed doing it. Cheers! Shadowblade08 (talk) 14:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: For Chromebook, I found this. Simply hit CTRL + SHIFT + Backspace and your Clear Browsing Data menu will appear. If you simply unselect everything apart from Cached images and files, select your timeframe from the drop down (I just select ‘the beginning of time’), and hit Clear Browsing Data, you will be good to go. Just return to your browser and hit refresh and you’ll see a non-cached version. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:14, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Ok. I've tried this when I was doing the WIkipedia mission but it didn't seem to do anything for some reason. But I do think this bug should be investigated and fixed as it's rather annoying and problematic for new Wikipedia users. Blaze Wolf &#124 Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 14:20, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

I've seen that there were problems with the new wikitext editor beta being a problem but i disabled it and it doesn't seem to solve anything so I think that Wikipedia Adventure is broken. What do I do about this as no one seems to be fixing it. Blaze Wolf &#124 Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:55, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Blaze The Wolf. It's possible to file a bug report. They'll need to know what version of Google Chrome you are using, what mediawiki skin (default is Vector), and very specifically what the problem is. If Shadowblade08 can provide the same information, that will help too. I'll be around later to help with this Zindor (talk) 17:12, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Alright thank you. I have submitted a bug report and did my best to be very clear on what my problem is. I gave them my current chrome version and wikipedia skin noting that I was using the legacy version of the default skin. Again, thank you very much for attempting to help me Zindor. Blaze Wolf &#124 Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 17:30, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to ping the creator Ocaasi too, as i'm now not sure whether this is within the scope of the WMF devs or not. Thanks Zindor (talk) 17:33, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Comment: I'm minded to suggest that everyone who wants to sign up as a Teahouse Host here should have to first undertake and complete WP:TWA so that we are all familiar with it, and possibly experience some of the problems that still seems to dog it. The fact that so many people now have mobiles, yet it isn't designed to be very functional on smaller devices, tablets or for anyone using |Visual Editor, suggests some major investment in time and resources is needed to fix the reported issues we hear about. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:49, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, i very much agree. I wish i'd looked at it sooner than last night. The WMF is looking for suggestions at the moment about sustainability etc as part of the Movement Strategy. I think a set of suggestions from the Teahouse could be beneficial. Zindor (talk) 18:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

To be more accurate we have to have a discussion amongst ourselves about Teahouse priorities and how we think the WMF can help us. There was a notification about this 'prioritization phase' over at WikiProject India but i can't see one in the talk archives here, which is surprising given that i'd consider this a project and one positioned very centrally. There's one day left in this phase. Any thoughts? Is it worth starting a talk page discussion about this and trying to get involved with this WMF process? I'm always suspicious of anything WMF-related, but it seems like a good opportunity. Zindor (talk) 18:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@Zindor: I wasn't aware of any timescale and priorities, but am rather busy today. So, yes, please start a succinct discussion at the Teahouse. I would say that getting WP:TWA working well is critical for editor retention, just as is getting welcome templates and help pages working efficiently. Must rush. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:54, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Replacing example image

This note was added to my draft: This draft may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. The specific problem is: Remove or replace example image Please help improve this draft if you can; the talk page may contain suggestions. I tried deleting the image but it seems like the only possibility is to replace it, which I'm not ready to do yet. How can I simply delete the photograph without uploading another one? Here's my draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Joe_Lazarus_(musician) Thanks in advance for your help. Donnaocchineri (talk) 20:10, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Donnaocchineri. I removed the example image, whose Wiki markup appeared as: [[File:Example.jpg|thumb|This is the caption for the image.]].

I also removed the message.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:24, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Donnaocchineri (talk) 20:31, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Colour vs Color

Hi! The title itself is pretty much self-explanatory, but should I revert articles written in British English to American English or keep the article as it is? I can't find anywhere in the Manual of Style that gives guidelines! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eggybonk11 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

See WP:ENGVAR. TL;DR: keep it in the language it was written in, whether American, British, Indian, or Australian English. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 20:34, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Good to know, I've almost made that mistake before... though I didn't know it was a mistake then. Shadowblade08 (talk) 00:16, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you!! (Timmy (talk) 18:41, 30 October 2020 (UTC))

History of a move

Wondering about the history of a page move by Rigley almost 10 years ago [3]. (The editor seems presently inactive.) I ask after reediting some serious POV issues/mass deletions at Kirti Monastery by the same editor. I'm wondering if the editor posted a request, since the move would have been controversial, or if the editor just moved without CON. I'm trying to return the page to its previous name, and if the move wasn't per agreement, the process might be easier. Thanks for the attention to the topic! Pasdecomplot (talk) 22:09, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't think that you need to search. Even if the the move followed a proposal and agreement to the proposal, this would have been a decade ago. A decade is sufficient for new (non-sock/meat-puppet) editors, new insights and perspectives and of course new events. So I suggest that you propose retitling afresh, on the article's talk page. (Pinging Rigley that you're doing this would be a courtesy.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:16, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Rigley's inactive btw. Got it under control, no worries. Appreciate the advice!

A message from Shadowblade08

Recently I modified some of the internal links in the article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rivers_of_South_Dakota

Could someone check them and make sure that I didn't do something wrong? Cheers, Shadowblade08 (talk) 00:14, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Shadowblade08, it's a minor issue but often red-links should be left in place. Please read Wikipedia:REDDEAL to see if it applies to your edit. Zindor (talk) 00:30, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Here's a tip for hyperlinks! I'll use door as an example.

[[Door]] will show Door.

To use another version:

[[Door (Every Little Thing album)]] will show Door (Every Little Thing album).

To be specific on the album, but you want it to show as door in the article, write the exact name of the article you want to link to, then use the | character, and then write what you want the article to show, like this:

[[Door (Every Little Thing album)|Door]] will show up as Door.

Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 02:46, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@Le Panini and Shadowblade08: Note that there is also a simpler version, called a "pipe trick". It doesn't work in edit summaries, within <ref> tags, or links to sections, but works most anywhere else, including article text. Instead of [[Door (Every Little Thing album)|Door]], you can just use [[Door (Every Little Thing album)|]] (i.e., with nothing between the pipe and cloing brackets), which strips most disambguators, like parentheticals. See WP:PIPETRICK for details. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:13, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Le Panini, Thanks for the tips. Shadowblade08 (talk) 14:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Alan M1, Thanks for the help as well. Cheers! Shadowblade08 (talk) 14:02, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

a page that I can add everything myself

How do I add a page on Wikipedia? Like a page that I can add everything myself. Gultekinzeynep06 (talk) 05:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

If you want to add a new article, please read WP:YFA. If you want a page that only you can edit, this is not possible in Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 05:18, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@Gultekinzeynep06, hello & welcome, your question comes across as vague, hypothetically speaking, what type of article would you want to create? Is it on a person or an organization/company? If you are more specific, it helps us to help/guide you better. Celestina007 (talk) 08:11, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Ryan Jayathunga

Why didn't publish my post ? CeylonSky228 (talk) 05:58, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@CeylonSky228: See the large pink box at the top of Draft:Ryan Padula Jayathunga. You did not provide any sources to demonstrate notability or allow editors to verify the statements in the draft. See the links in that message for what sources are, why we need them, and how to reference them. I see that you add a speedy-delete tag, which you don't have to do in order to fix the article (assuming you can find the necessary sources). You're free to continue working on the article and re-submit it once the problems are corrected. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:21, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Manoj Lekhi

Page Name: Draft:MANOJ LEKHI

I had made a page on Manoj Lekhi but it declined for for speedy deletion. I tried removing things which were unnecessary or unwanted but yet there's one more rejection on same topic.

I am a first timer in writing Article and dont really know how and what exactly to write.

I am not very good at technical.

I need help in making the article and uploading on Wikipedia BhoodeviT (talk) 06:19, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

I quote:

As far as marriage goes, Manojji and his wife NINA are happily married for the last 32 years, they got married in the year 1988. Manojji and his wife have the most beautiful relationship that one can dream of- a very happy, friendly and most romantic in every aspect, with the blessings of his Guruji.

If you really don't know how this (as just one example) is unsuitable for an encyclopedia article, then perhaps Wikipedia and you are ill-suited for each other. -- Hoary (talk) 06:46, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Please see the helpful messages on your talk page.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:43, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to How do I create second article?

Hi, I have submitted a second article,but I haven't received any notification if that is submitted and has been considered as opposed to during the submission of the first one. Is there something wrong or am I missing anything? Regards. Also, I would like to thank @Usedtobecool for previous help.  51moont (talk) 06:58, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

If you mean User:51moont/sandbox, then move this, or ask somebody to move it, to Draft:Sunanda Sharma. But it's probably a good idea to improve it first. I note in particular "The musical journey reached another milestone when Girija Devi took Sharma under her wings [...]". Within that, "The musical journey reached another milestone when" is near-meaningless fluff; and for one person to "[take another] under her wings" is a somewhat tired metaphor for ... I don't know what, really. (Perhaps "Girija Devi started to give singing lessons to Sharma"?) -- Hoary (talk) 07:47, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

(ec)Hi 51moont. You have not submitted User:51moont/sandbox. I have added a Submit button to the top; you can use it to submit your draft. —teb728 t c 07:49, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Regarding francisca luhong james

Francisca luhong james is not chinese malaysian why is her bio on google search says so. Can someone change it to kayan iban Feelforyou (talk) 08:54, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Feelforyou, Wikipedia's article on Francisca James says she is "kayan-kenyah iban (sarawakian native)". It does not use the word "Chinese". Her bio on Google search says she is Chinese because Google got it wrong. This often happens, and is not Wikipedia's fault. Maproom (talk) 09:29, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Feelforyou, Maproom Actually, the Wikipedia article DOES say she's Chinese-Malaysian, in the section on her Early life and career. AND the Google blurb in question actually cites Wikipedia. I have absolutely no idea about--or even any interest in--the truth of any of this. But I would point out that a person's ethnicity and where they happen to be a native of are two different things. So as I read this, both statements could very well be true. Uporządnicki (talk) 12:44, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

It does now. When I looked at it, it didn't even have an "Early life and career" section. There's been a lot of edits to it in the last three hours. Maproom (talk) 12:56, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Translate

Hi! Can I translate english or russian articles (from wikipedia) in romanian, or I should use other source and write original articles? Theofilact (talk) 11:07, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Theofilact, interwiki translation is allowed. GeraldWL 11:09, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Hi Theofilact. You can! I advise you read Wikipedia:Translate us first, though. There are two main points to keep in mind: do not use automated/machine translation without verifying it, and include proper licensing (usually with a sentence such as "this article was translated from (link to source version), see its history for attribution"). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 11:12, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Also, each language Wikipedia has its own standards for what are considered reliable source references, so an article accepted in one language may be declined in another unless the references situation is addressed. David notMD (talk) 12:17, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Fixing errors

Hello, I have just read the William Albany McKenzie article and it contains errors. For example he dies at Sir Charles Gairdner Hospital not in Attadale. He wasn't a pharmacist, he was the General Manager of the Friendly Societies Pharmacies. How can this be amended, please? 101.187.154.165 (talk) 11:57, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

You can make an edit request at the article talkpage. Make sure that you have a reliable source. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:28, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Or you can change the article yourself. Click on Edit at the top, make changes, click on Publish changes at the bottom. Reference needed for where he died. The article does not actually state that he was a pharmacist. David notMD (talk) 17:58, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

What happens next after I publish an article from my sandbox?

I am new to this. I wrote an article for a grapevine "St. Vincent" and pushed the PUBLISH buttom when I was finished, but I do not know what happens next. Is there something else I need to do, or will someone contact me later? Please help. Thanks.

Lucian Dressel Walt500 (talk) 13:04, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@Walt500: Think of the "Publish" button as more of a save button - it saves your current content to a "file", called User:Walt500/sandbox in your case. It's not actually a Wikipedia article yet, but a draft article. I've added a button to the top so you can submit it when you're ready, and a volunteer will check to see if it's up to Wikipedia's quality standards. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:11, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Walt500. Your sandbox is purely a place for you to experiment or work on content. The 'Publish changes' button simply means that your sandbox edits are now available online at User:Walt500/sandbox. Nothing else happens to it unless you submit it for review, in which case it will be assessed and feedback supplied if it fails to meet our Notability criteria. I fear this is currently the case here. Yes, you've supplied sources to show that the grape variety you discover exists and has been registered, but we would need more independent sources to show that the world has taken notice of this particular variety, and written about it in detail and in depth ( a book or two on wines and wine production, for example) See Reliable Sources for an explanation of this. You also have a clear conflict of interest in wanting to promote your product here, so you should declare that on your userpage by following the guidance at This page about Conflict of Interest. See 'Your First Article' for advice on submitting articles for review. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:16, 30 October 2020 (UTC) 

Death notice question

Good day, I have just updated my friend Anita Stewart’s biographical entry, (she passed on yesterday. ) but there is still a message indicating “this is a living person, proper citations are required.” How can this be removed please? I appreciate your time. Ben, Elora, Canada Elora10 (talk) 14:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Anita Stewart (culinary author) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:20, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Elora10, I'm sorry for your loss. Strange though it may seem, the policy WP:Biographies of living persons still applies, see WP:BDP. Also, because this is WP, we don't like it when an article says someone is dead without having a reliable source (as defined by WP, WP:RS) to cite for the fact. If you know of a published obituary or similar, that would help. As would more WP:RS about Anita Stewart, since those are lacking in the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:21, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Elora10 Sorry for your loss. I did a quick search and saw the condolences on social media but could not find an official source yet. We will just have to wait until an obituary is published which should be shortly. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:29, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Appropriate use of WikiProject in Talk pages?

Could anyone explain why both Meat and Animal_source_foods include Wikipedia:WikiProject_Veganism_and_Vegetarianism in their talk pages even though they are from opposite topics? Heatxiddy (talk) 14:29, 30 October 2020 (UTC) Heatxiddy (talk) 14:29, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Heatxiddy, taking meat, at a guess, it's an article at least some of the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Veganism_and_Vegetarianism feels is connected to their Wikiproject. Ctrl-f vegetarian at meat and see what you find. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:09, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Heatxiddy is a banned sock-puppet. I have been following his socks on Wikipedia for over a year so I know his editing interests very well. I just filed a recent SPI [4] Psychologist Guy (talk) 16:05, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Did I do something wrong

Recently I participate on reliable sources noticeboard to ask that the source i am providing is reliable to make changes. And somebody ask me about the changes i want to make and about the author. So I want to ask that did i do something wrong or did i missed something while posting the notice. Sumit banaphar (talk) 14:45, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sumit banaphar. It's important to know what information you intend to support/verify because sometimes sources are only reliable for supporting a limited range of information or may contain a bias. I can't see that you did anything wrong. Best of luck, Zindor (talk) 16:57, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

So why I'm not getting the answer that the source i am providing is reliable or notSumit banaphar (talk) 06:05, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Article submission

Hello. My article submission for the Glam Graham page was declined due to copyrighted material not being allowed and I would like to know exactly which material got the submission declined. I posted it just like the other musical artist pages...at least I thought I did. Can someone tell me what I did wrong so I can edit it please? It took me too much time to make the page to have to start all over again. Thanks. Glam Graham (talk) 15:50, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Glam Graham, and welcome to the Teahouse. (I'm assuming that you are Graham yourself: if you are not, you must immediately change your username to something which is not impersonating somebody). I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. It is not a site for promotion (read: telling people about something): it is an encyclopaedia, which contains neutrally-written summaries of what has already been published about notable subjects. An article about you will not belong to you, will not be under your control, will not necessarily say what you want it to say, and should contain almost no information which comes from you: it should be almost entirely based on what people who have no connection with you (and have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of you) have published about you. Since writing an article about yourself, or somebody you are associated with, will require you to find these sources, and then forget everything you know about yourself and write just from these independent sources, it is extremely difficult to pull off, and strongly discouraged. --ColinFine (talk) 19:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

How do I delete a page that was made without my permission?

 Splishsplashsplosh (talk) 16:07, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

It would help if you were to link the page in question. Though I suspect the answer is going to be "We don't require the permission of a subject to create an article because we are not social media and our inclusion criteria is based on factors a subject has no control over". —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 16:22, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link Kristy Holtfreter. Theroadislong (talk) 17:39, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Splishsplashsplosh I suppose you could nominate it for deletion. That way, after a period for editors to express their thoughts, an Administrator would make a decision. The critical criteria would be whether the existing references substantiated your notability in the Wikipedia sense of the word. David notMD (talk) 18:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Edit request for MediaWiki:Uctop/nl

This needs an administrator, but I have no clue where to actually ask for an administrator to handle this. All the boards I could find where for incidents or urgent.

The message MediaWiki:uctop/nl has redundant parentheses: compare laatste wijziging to current. As a result, it shows up with double parentheses on pages such as Special:Contributions. Can an administrator please remove the redundant parentheses? Thank you. —Mainframe98 _talk 16:30, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@Mainframe98: I suggest using an edit request (follow this link for a prefilled one on the talk page). That probably isn't a highly trafficked talk page, though, so you could probably post on WP:VPM if no one sees it in a few days. Thanks for noticing that! -- a lad insane (channel two) 19:23, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@A lad insane: Thanks. I'll do that! —Mainframe98 _talk 19:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Standards for Stopping (user control of) Animation/Videos

I came across a page on the two body problem that has an animation up at the top. There is no way to stop the animation from moving. I find this very distracting and it makes it difficult for me to read the article. I realize that different people concentrate differently but I know many people such as me who find this type of animation very distracting. Also, the information that the animation conveys is communicated after a few seconds of animation so having it continue adds nothing to understanding the article. More importantly, from my work in professional web development the accepted best practice for accessibility and usability is that any video/animation should either stop after a certain amount of time or contain a control so the user can stop/start it. I remember having this debate many years ago regarding another page and I found a Wikipedia standard on animations/video that supported my position but I looked now and couldn't find it. Does anyone know where I can find the current recommended standard on this? Thanks in advance. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 16:41, 30 October 2020 (UTC) MadScientistX11 (talk) 16:41, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@MadScientistX11: Me too. I'd like to see a global preference that would disable all animation by default and allow readers to enable it as needed when viewing the page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:59, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@MadScientistX11: Likewise. I find them utterly distracting, and reminiscent of those awful websites in the later 1990s full of animated men at work when websites were 'under construction'. I suggest first posting a technical question at WP:VPT as to how stopping the graphic can be done well. Then maybe updating Help:Table and, after that, possibly a proper proposal or RfC for changes to MOS:IMAGES make it a requirement to be able to hide a constantly moving graphic on a page. I'm afraid a collapsible table was all I could come up with, though sadly I'm not technical enough to be able to create it with a cell spanning both columns as a footer caption. But something along these lines ought to give the idea of what's possible:  

Two body problem

Maybe someone can tweak it a but further as a demo of how it could work. But if you really want to drive yourself made, take a look at C:Category:Animations on black background! Nick Moyes (talk) 00:44, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Continued Problems with Wikipedia Adventure

I am still have problems with the Wikipedia Adventure and I don't know what I can do to try and fix it or get it to work. I've tried purging the page when it got to the editor but that only worked for the first 2 missions and once I got to the 3rd mission it simply made the textboxes that had already come up reappear. Also, when i go into the editor the textbox that tells me to open the editor remains open which prevents me from progressing further. Blaze Wolf &#124 Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:59, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Thread about this further up the page Zindor (talk) 17:35, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Edit a page and add Picture

I am trying to edit an exiting page add a picture but It isn't letting me do that. It my picture and no copyright issues? how do i go about it? Vuakan (talk) 17:06, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Vuakan, Have you uploaded the image on the English Wikipedia or Commons? And what is the article where you are trying to add the image? If you are the sole copyright owner of the image, there won't be any issues. Thank you! ─ The Aafī (^talk) 17:13, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi. How i can remove place name from map. For example, my village anme has changed , so i want to change in Google Earth accordingly.

 IsAAZ (talk) 17:14, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Ask Google. We have absolutely no control over Google Earth. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 17:16, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Infobox and article help

Hello there! I was wondering if someone knew how to add an infobox for my article, as well as help me refine and build on it and the article itself. Can someone help? UB Blacephalon (talk) 17:21, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Dear Blacephalon, please see WP:IB for the list of infoboxes. Copy the relevant one, and customize it in your article, which I guess is in your userspace right now. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 17:26, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Blacephalon you want Template:Infobox character. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:25, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Help with WP:NOTABILITY

Hello all, I was just wondering if a grade II listed building automatically meets WP:NOTABILITY. I started a draft a while ago on a local church that was grade II listed but am not sure now if it qualifies for an article. The draft can be found at Draft:St Mary's Church, Welwyn. Thanks! Pahunkat (talk) 17:42, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Pahunkat, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer is Yes: see WP:NBUILDING. --ColinFine (talk)

Thanks ColinFine, I'll keep working on it then. Pahunkat (talk) 10:07, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Map

Can we change a School's Wikipedia page location. Kritish Mohapatra (talk) 18:27, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, you asked this at the help desk; please use only one method of seeking assistance at a time, to avoid duplication of effort. 331dot (talk) 18:37, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

 Hello23223 (talk) 19:02, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Question: Unable to edit and load a past revision

Hello, I am not sure where to go with this, but I updated the Clarabridge page on Wiki as it was deleted last month due to outdated/promotional content. I worked to have it reinstated which was approved with the agreement that the page would be updated extensively which was tackled seriously. In the last 24 hours an admin/editor reverted the page stating it was too promotional. I then began editing out what I thought would be promotional text. And also asked for recommendations. I have those now and want to make them all as soon as possible but I can't seem to revert back. I am truly trying to make this right. If someone could please point me in the right direction to make these fixes I would appreciate it. Cb-author-wiki (talk) 19:23, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Cb-author-wiki. What's your hurry? There is no deadline. Before you spend time on the (necessary) task of removing promotional language, I suggest you put some effort into the far more crucial issue of finding some reliable and independent sources. Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say: it is only interested in what people have published who are unconnected with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject. I don't see a single reference that meets that description, which is why I have tagged the article. I am dubious whether the article as it stands is salvageable, as it evidently contains a lot of information from the company, which even if it has been published, has not been independently published, and so does not belong in a Wikipedia article. Please have a look at User:ian.thomson/HowTo.

Do you have connection with Clarabridge? If so, you should read about editing with a conflict of interest. If you are in any way employed or paid to do this, then you need to make the required declaration as a paid editor. --ColinFine (talk) 22:07, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Cb-author-wiki. I'm a bit torn in writing this post. On the one hand:

• The edits you made to the article, per your edit summaries, supposedly in pursuit of making it less promotional, were extremely promotional, and rightly reverted IMO, by Mean as custard.
• Just as one example: "Clarabridge Founder and Vice Chairman [_Name Removed_] built industry expertise as a founding employee at [[MicroStrategy]]. In 2001, he pivoted when he co-founded Claraview (Acquired by [[Teradata]] in 2008)..." is empty buzzword ad-speak of the first order that has no place here.
• Please also take in the content above: Pretty much every fact in an article should be verifiable in reliable, secondary sources, written by third parties who have no connection with the subject. (Meaning at least some of the facts in the content you added, putting aside its tone, doesn't belong factually, because it cannot be verified in such sources, and is not the type of content we allow to be verified using primary sources.)
• Also, it is almost unheard of for someone to come along and take the type of interest you have in an article like this, and make promotiional edits, unless they have a conflict of interest, and are subject to Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure, and yet I don't see that you have complied with our mandatory disclosure requirements.

On the other hand, I am not really comfortable with effectively barring a person from doing something here because they don't know how to overcome a technical bar that anyone in the know can surpass; a "prior restraint on speech". So, I hope you'll keep in mind what I and others have said; you're likely to be reverted again if you don't; but, in answer to the technical issue that is the focus of your original post:

→ go to the article's history → click on the date of any revision shown there (every revision back to the first edit may be accessed in this way, unless hidden or deleted) → click edit (it will say near the top "This is an old revision of this page...,)" → make your changes → save the page.

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:53, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

what do I do with this user?

the user 101.50.100.155 made an edit which I do not think is meant to be vandalism, but is vandalism technichally, as seen here[[5]]. I reverted it, but do not know what to put on their talk page. can someone help me, as it seems they put a word for "dignity" or something in front of every time they mentioned their deity. I do not know what to do, so I am asking everyone here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firestar9990 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

It was not vandalism, not even technically. But it was misguided, and you were right to revert it. That editor was not registered, so it's unlikely, though possible, that they'll look at their talk page. By the way – Muslims do not regard Muhammad as a "deity", but as a prophet. Maproom (talk) 20:13, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@Firestar9990: Please do read vandalism, which starts with The malicious removal of encyclopedic content, or the changing of such content beyond all recognition ... is a deliberate attempt to damage Wikipedia.. Adding honorifics is exactly not vandalism, though wrong. Note my bolding of malicious; there certainly was no malice. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:14, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: I get that now, but the edit they made was disruptive, and I do not know how to tell them to not do that again.

@Firestar9990: Well, hoping the person's IP address is static, how about a tailored post their talk page, first introducing them to MOS:HONORIFIC for the general standard and then MOS:MUHAMMAD, for the specific application?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:11, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Article help

Could I get some help fixing an article I found? I've attempted adding a template but couldn't figure out how to do it properly. I will provide a link to it if you can help me out. Blaze Wolf &#124 Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 23:08, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Adolf Miesz looks OK now TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:53, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

That's good. IT still needs to be fixed though. Also needs more info. Blaze Wolf &#124 Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 23:56, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Advice on large amount of content removed from article

Hello I need some advice please. A huge amount of content was removed from Lego Ninjago by an editor without warning or discussion. When I attempted to revert the edits I was told that I was in the wrong for inserting the content back in. Unfortunately, the entire page has now been rendered useless as it holds no useful content. Is it possible for an experienced editor to review the page? Thanks Fieryninja (talk) 00:53, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

We're not a substitute for a checklist. Wikipedia articles should merely be a summary of the subject, not exhaustive. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 01:11, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Fieryninja. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but you added swathes of uncited trivia and these were removed by an experienced administrator, and I would have done the same. The edit summary explained that such trivial and unsubstantiated content is not necessary to this encyclopaedia. If you feel there is content that the page would benefit from having, you can raise the matter on the article talk page to gain a consensus, but it would be a prerequisite that you supplied links to Reliable Sources to show where any factual content came from. Blogs, fan websites and other wikis are not regarded as 'reliable' in that context. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:14, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Actually, much of the disputed content dates back to February 2019 - pre-dating Fieryninja - but I am of the same opinion - Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a place for excessive detail. Take it up at Talk. There may be LEGO-interested editors who can help make the case. David notMD (talk) 01:19, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Just to be clear, I didn’t add the uncited text, it has been there a long time. I was simply protecting the content by reverting an edit that was made without warning. Fieryninja (talk) 01:37, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

My apologies, Fieryninja. I had interpreted your question as referring to content that you had created yourself. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:50, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Adding a person

I use Wikipedia often so thank you for everything you do!

My favorite professional hockey player isn’t on Wikipedia anymore and we want him to be linked to our page here in Nijmegen NL. His name is Phil Aucoin from Chelmsford Ma, I wish I could help form the page but unfortunately it’s out of my reach. Lol. I look forward to hearing back from someone. Thank you from devils fans NijmegenDevils (talk) 05:12, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

@NijmegenDevils: That would unfortunately be promotional, sorry. Thank you for your understanding. Firestar464 (talk) 05:59, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Nijmegen Devils is an article about a Netherlands club-level team and Phil Aucoin is listed as a former player. Whether he is worthy of an article about him is a separate question. It would require that he and his career have been written about at some length in multiple publications. Meanwhile, you are blocked until your change your User name away from the team name. Information to that effect on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 09:55, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

thank you

i was abble to change my name Habeeb Bello648 (talk) 11:53, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Question

please how can i leave a message on someone's talk page Habeeb Bello648 (talk) 12:08, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

You have already done so, Habeeb Bello648, here, but it seemed a rather pointless question. What is it you want? --ColinFine (talk) 13:34, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

User:Habeeb Bello648 - Nearly all of your edits have been to ask questions here. The purpose of this project is the development of an on-line encyclopedia. Are you here to work toward that objective, or are you here for some other purpose, such as socialization? If you are here only to socialize, that is what social media are for. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:00, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Declined

Hello! My article was declined, because of the inreliable source (?). I really need my article to be published, so how can I improve it? LV mei li (talk) 12:15, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

You need to provide a reliable source or sources. Ruslik_Zero 12:54, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia already has an article on Lyudmila Pavlichenko.   Maproom (talk) 13:50, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

User:LV mei li - If you say that you really need an article to be published, some editors wonder whether you have a conflict of interest. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:55, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Even after writing the truth, the article has been questioned about reliability.

Even after writing the article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sarmistha_Saha) with facts and more of reliable sources, it has been rejected by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MurielMary because of notability factor. It is absolute strange that such a prominent Indian woman theatre personality needs notability with all the details already given. There are pages like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saadiya_Kochar which hardly has any prominence but are there as articles. Niloy N Roy (talk) 13:55, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Niloy N Roy, only one out of your 5 references mentions the subject, the one that does mention her is a trivial mention that doesn't talk about her at all. You have also not used inline citations, which are needed for BLP articles. Dylsss^{(talk • contribs)} 15:22, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Nazrul Minto

• Link: Draft:Nazrul Minto

Can you tell me why my article got declined please help me Vaishnavi Patil1200 (talk) 13:56, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

It seems like it was declined for two reasons: Lack of significant coverage and lack of secondary sources. I'll explain what these mean.

1. Significant coverage is simply multiple reliable sources talking about the subject, to make it notable enough to have its own article.

Secondary sources are sources that are not in relation to the creator or person in question. Let me use an example.

Nintendo is a video game company. They just released a new Mario game (awesome). When writing an article about this new game and using Nintendo as a source, that's a primary source; because Nintendo created the game. Secondary sources, however, could be sources talking about the game, not related to Nintendo at all, such as The New York Times or reviewer site Destructoid.

Hope this helps! If not, let us know. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 15:17, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Persians and Kurds

I would like to expand the article on the Persians. The article about this people, which is better known in history, should be no less than the Kurds because the Westerners support Kurdish separatism in Turkey and they are interested here. I wonder, why is the article about the Kurds extended-confirmed? Blaxoul (talk) 13:55, 31 October 2020 (UTC) Blaxoul (talk) 13:57, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Blaxoul. You are very welcome to expand Persians, if you have material to add that is not already covered, is supported by reliable published sources, and has not previously been discussed on the article's talk page. Note that the article has wikilinks to about a dozen other articles which cover particular aspects of Persian culture, history, and language. In any case, comparing the size of articles is a pointless exercise: Wikipedia is edited and created by volunteers who work on whatever they choose: there is no "editorial board" deciding where effort should be concentrated. As for Extended confirmed protection that is placed on articles which get a high level of vandalism or partisan editing, and again says nothing whatever about the importance or range of the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 17:05, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Moving an article from the sandbox to Wikipedia

I have created a new article in my sandbox and would like to move it to Wikipedia itself. The only instructions I found are these: https://www3.nd.edu/~ghaeffel/MoveOutSandbox%20copy.pdf

But there is no "move" button in my sandbox. Any suggestion what I could do? Rüdi Jehn (talk) 14:15, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

If you place the template {{User sandbox}} at the top of your sandbox, then after saving ("publishing") the new version, you will see a button that can be used to request an article review. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:00, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Mike Turnbull! I followed your steps, but now I got the message that I am blocked. I have read somewhere that I first need to have 10 edits before I get the right to publish a new page. Is this correct? Or how do I get unblocked? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rüdi Jehn (talk • contribs) 16:44, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't think that you are "blocked". What appears to have happened is that an editor has declined your article and has given reasons for doing so. Creating new articles up to Wikipedia's standards is very difficult, so if you are interested in mathematics, for example, you would be better using some time to improve existing articles and only try to create an entirely new one after you are much more familiar with the process. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:54, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

How do I change a title?

How do I change a title but not remove the “Draft:” part? NonPopularPerson (talk) 14:18, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Click the "Move" button in the top right corner, next to the search bar. Here, you can change the name of the article, as well as the parameter (such as draft). If you're still confused, give us the name of the article and what you want to change it to and I'll gladly do it for you. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 15:11, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Reference Bombing

I've been flagged for "Reference Bombing" WP:REFBOMB before and I wanted to double check that I didn't do that on an article I working on currently. The article is Draft:Art Napoleon (Artist). I tried making sure that all the sources were pretty well-known and that they were fairly spaced out and relevant to the sentence they where they were cited. I still have quite a few references and I suppose I could remove a few. I guess it's also worth asking if all the contents of the article are actually relevant enough for the article.

The one I'm most concerned about is reference #1 to the New York Times, which isn't explicitly about the subject but is the only article I found that mentions his age. TipsyElephant (talk) 14:28, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Reference in different language

Hi, I looked around but couldn't find an answer for my question : I am trying to help find sources for an article in en.wikipedia.org (namely, one about Canadian band Elliott Brood). I found a source from a French music review magazine that IMHO qualifies as a "reliable source" (ie. printed press, editorial control, its journalism has a rather good reputation in France, etc).

The problem is : it is only in French, and I was wondering if I could use it as a source for an English-language page.

Any thoughts, or guideline I've missed ? Thanks ! Zelemming (talk) 15:29, 31 October 2020 (UTC) sourcesource

We allow non-English sources. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 15:39, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

To give an example from a scientific article, take a look at Butyric_acid#History. The reference to original French work from the 19th century is given, along with a language tag, a direct quote, and a translation. The same could be done in your in-line citation. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:43, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

And there is a parameter in the citation templates, |language=, specifically to give the language of the source, although it's not always used. See, e.g., Category:Articles with French-language sources (fr). Peter coxhead (talk) 16:18, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

New editor seeking guidance

Hi, I'm new in here. I want some tips about creating new pages, especially related to sports and media. Thanks Cricketromeo (talk) 16:04, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Cricketromeo. Writing an acceptable new Wikipedia article can be quite challenging so it is a good idea to work for a while on improving existing articles. Please read and study Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:11, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

New content

Hi I'm an music publisher/label owner looking to get my artist pages created on wiki. Any help or advice would be appreciated 3boientertainment (talk) 16:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, 3boientertainment, and welcome to the Teahouse. The simple advice is: don't. Wikipedia is not for promotion, and people who try to do it usually have a tough time, and often meet considerable hostility. If you do manage to get somebody to write encyclopaedia articles about your artists (not "pages"), they will not belong to you or the artist, you will have no control over their contents, and their contents should be based not on what you or the artist say or want to say, but on what independent people have published about the artist - whether you like what they said or not. In short, a Wikipedia article is in no way for the benefit of its subject: many subjects do get some benefit from having an article about them, of course, but that is not the purpose, and is not guaranteed. Look further at An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.

Having given a warning that I hope is fierce enough, I'll tell you what you will need to do if you do decide to continue. First you must change your user name to something which does not appear to be representing a company. (It's easiest just to abandon that account and create a new, personal one). Then you need to read about conflict of interest and paid editing, and comply with the requirements of the latter. If you then want to attempt the difficult task of creating a new encyclopaedia article (made even harder by your conflict of interest), you'll need to find at least three places where people who have no connection with you or the artist, and have not been prompted or provided information by you or the artist, have chosen to write at some length about the artist, and been published in a reliable source. If you can't find three such sources, give up: your artist does not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and any further effort you put in will be wholly wasted. If you can find the sources, then you can create a draft, using the article wizard. Then you will have the hardest part. You will need to forget everything you know about the artist, and write an article entirely from what the independent sources say. See your first article for more detailed instructions. --ColinFine (talk) 17:29, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Cracking The Code To Infinite Knowledge Bruit Force For A.I

What are the rules about giving every combination out for to a TV screen my original screen size was 10x10 biased on black or white pixels. the mathematical formula for the combinations is 10 to the tenth power x 10 to the tenth power of combination for such a small screen biased on black or white pixels. The answer is 1E20 of combinations for that screen possibility's. I wanted to give out the equation for A.I to Look at. I thought it would be cool if I could give out every combination to a large TV screen like 1000000 x 1000000 for A.I to play with every image, and have access to everything that can be seen, and I would like A.I to have to study everything. I understand most is garbled images, but some are true images with information. I am a computer animator, I don't think I should not under any patent laws if the image was random, I'm not sure. I do plan on animation of this equation in Blender, to show everyone, but I will show a super small screen of 4x4 for a total combinations of 64 combinations biased on black or white pixels, to show the idea. I am basically bruit forcing every combination. Thank You for your time reading Harold Burgess Jr Harold Burgess Jr God Of Good Living Things (talk) 16:42, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Harold Burgess Jr God Of Good Living Things. I really don't know what you're on about, nor do I care that much, I'm afraid. But this is an encyclopaedia of Notable Things, and not a place to advocate your own ideas, theories or religions. To that effect, I have marked your sandbox for speedy deletion as it has nothing to do with this encyclopaedia. Please either be prepared to contribute to one of the existing 6,000,000 articles of notable topics, or find an alternative idea to promote your, no-doubt, worthy philosophy on life. I apologise if this sounds rude. That was not my intent, but there is no place here for promoting original thought, philosophies or beliefs. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:51, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Publishing

How long does it take to publish an article? Uklem (talk) 16:45, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

@Uklem: that heavely depends on the article you write and your experience. I am not exactly sure about the timings (maybe another host can expand on this) but something above one hour is probbably needed for a short article with basic WP:N requirements, unless you need extra research on how something is done in wiki code. Longer articles probbably take exponentially longer.

Edit after having a look at User talk:Uklem: Since this is your first article, you probbably can expect a few hours of writing. If you decide to submit a draft for review (rather than creating it directly in article space or moving it there) You can expect up to ~3-4 months review time since the review process is highely backlogged. Note that I strongely recommend that new users use the review process, as pages created in article space directly that fail to meet the basic criteria and up in draft anyway, if they arent outright deleted. Submitting a draft allows you to work on it until it meets the basic criteria. More advice can also be found at WP:YFA. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:02, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh and after another look, I would recommend to use the article wizard. And please be advised that Wikipedia deals with verifyability, not truth. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:06, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Penguin Huddles

Why do penguins take turns on the outside of their huddles 89.125.4.8 (talk) 17:03, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. This page is for asking about how to use Wikipedia. Questions like yours can be asked at WP:RD, the reference desk. RudolfRed (talk) 17:23, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

IP Editor: It's a good skill to have if you learn to use a search engine yourself! It'll take you 2 seconds to find the answer there, and 5 seconds if you use the relevant Wikipedia article on the subject! Nick Moyes (talk) 17:29, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

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For future reference (pun intended) the Reference desk is the place for questions such as this. The answer is that being on the outside requires expending more energy to generate heat. Sharing this burden ensures that no individual is overly effected. How nice of them to be so considerate; we can learn a thing or two from them.

Reference:

• Gammon, Katharine (November 20, 2012). "Penguins: The Math Behind The Huddle". Inside Science. American Institute of Physics.

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