Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2020 November 12

12 November 2020

Aleisha Allen

Aleisha Allen (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

So what happened was I originally see this page for what is at the time a misused redirect to one of the actress' roles in school of rock. I examine the previous AFD dicussion from 2018 featured above and I believe I could make and article for this actress as she is notable enough to get an article as almost every actor has their on wikipedia page nowadays. So I nominate the redirect on RFD and I'm encouraged to create an article and I quote form User:Mazca ", either to encourage article creation or to avoid giving the impression that we have useful coverage on something we don't. On a brief look I'm not completely sure there's enough good coverage about her to write an article that demonstrates notability, but that possibility should certainly be encouraged."1 The redirect is close on November 10 and on the day of I start to get to work doing my research, I'm up hours finding reliable sources on this actress and I find two .edu pages and two .org pages about the actress and pathology career which I mention in her personal life. Then not even a day later the page got tagged with not one but two, nomination tags. One by User:CuteMeow who later reverted the tag after I talked it over with them.2 and then a couple of hours later User:Noq places another speedy del tag on the page claiming it was under AFD G4 when it is not identical to its previous version from 2018. Section G4 specifically says "This applies to sufficiently identical copies, having any title, of a page deleted via its most recent deletion discussion." this isn't even the case and the deletion discussion is not recent being a 2 year old deletion discussion. I then attempted to contest the deletion but it was just ignored and deleted by User:TomStar81 in WP: IGNORINGATD-esque fashion.3 This actress also doesn't fail WP:NACTOR becasue she was a secondary character in Are We There Yet and appeared in 130 episodes in Blue's Clue's as a main character in the sidetable drawer. This speedy deletion was unjust and want this page restored. I won't mind finding more reliable citations for this page if needed. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ (talk) 14:02, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

• Endorse The consensus in the AfD was correctly assessed. You would need to come up with reliable, independent sources that hadn't been available to the participants in the discussion to show that the subject is indeed notable. (t · c) buidhe 14:25, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

• @User:buidhe But this was a deletion dicussion from 2 years ago that I was not even involved in. I reffering to the recent unjust speedy del that claimed the more cited version I created was identical to the 2018 version And if you read my paragraph I said I found .edu sources and .org sources. Here are my sources: source 1, Source 2 and source 3. Sources 1 and 3 are sources citing her new proffession as a speech-language pathologist and it also supports that she went to pace university. Two org sources and one .edu source. I've also used a .gov source from the Library of Congress on this actress here Source 4. This article was just blindly speedy deleted and I hope you can changed your vote. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ (talk) 14:36, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
  • None of these sources have significant, reliable, and independent coverage of the subject. (t · c) buidhe 14:46, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

@User:buidhe, Did you actually look at the sources before making a decison? How is a .edu source not reliable? .edu sources are some of the most relaible Website sources on the internet. And .gov source also is not reliable? Come on. Your'e starting to sound a little WP:IDIDN'THEARTHAT. If a .edu source is not reliable I don't know what is. These were the sources I used when descrbing her personal life. If need sources on her acting career I have those as well. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ (talk) 14:50, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

Loren Culp

Loren Culp (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

I believe the decision failed to give proper weight to arguments based on policy rather than arguments based on politics (WP:IDONTLIKEIT because he's a Republican in a deep blue state). As a major party candidate for governor of a state, this subject received substantial coverage of their biography, so a quality article could easily be written about them. Please check Google News to see how many sources are available. Jehochman ^Talk 13:25, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

• Overturn (for the avoidance of doubt) - I get it that the result was redirect, which in normal conditions is form of keep. But in this case the redirect was protected to prevent the article from being recreated and the closing admin said, Protected "Loren Culp": Edit-warring against AfD consensus. Anyone wishing to recreate this will need to challenge the AfD consensus at an appropriate venue and/or provide genuinely new evidence of notability, that should likely be run through a talk page discussion first. So here we are having that required discussion. Vandamond, thank you for all your work at XFD. To be clear, I do not think you have done anything ignoble. This decision just needs a broader review and more opinions to hopefully come to the correct conclusion. Why choose this venue rather than the article talk page? I want to generate new opinions and more opinions. This page gets more attention. Jehochman ^Talk 13:33, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
• Endorse Vanamonde correctly assessed the consensus in the discussion. Jehochman does not provide any new information or sources that were not available at the time of the discussion. I think that we should focus on giving Culp due coverage on the article about the election, rather than a standalone article, because he is basically known only for the one event. (t · c) buidhe 13:37, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

  Did you check this link that I provided? [1]. If none of that is new, then the decision was clearly wrong at the time it was made. Please consider WP:BIO1E, If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate. This is not a low profile person so WP:BLP1E does not apply. Jehochman ^Talk 14:30, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

• For reference, see User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Loren_Culp. Bob K31416 (talk) 14:41, 12 November 2020 (UTC)