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:i guess many people oppose this, but i disagree, a redirect will still exist. In a survey conducted in 2017 94% of Iranians said there country should '''always''' be called '''IR Iran'''[[User:Gameshowandsportsfan2007|Gameshowandsportsfan2007]] ([[User talk:Gameshowandsportsfan2007|talk]]) 17:52, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
:i guess many people oppose this, but i disagree, a redirect will still exist. In a survey conducted in 2017 94% of Iranians said there country should '''always''' be called '''IR Iran'''[[User:Gameshowandsportsfan2007|Gameshowandsportsfan2007]] ([[User talk:Gameshowandsportsfan2007|talk]]) 17:52, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
:: Under that logic we could just as easily redirect from “IR Iran soccer…” to “Iran soccer…” and it would satisfy the same needs. Redirects aren’t really the question though, the primary title is. Most people from the Czech Republic would prefer it to be called Czechia, but that doesn’t change what most of us in the ''English speaking world'' call it. The same logic applies to the “United Kingdom”, over the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.” The key here is that most English speaking people would call the country North Korea before they call it Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (and so forth for the other countries). <font face="Avenir, Futura, sans-serif">—&nbsp;[[User:HTGS|HTGS]]&nbsp;([[User talk:HTGS|talk]])</font> 18:56, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
:: Under that logic we could just as easily redirect from “IR Iran soccer…” to “Iran soccer…” and it would satisfy the same needs. Redirects aren’t really the question though, the primary title is. Most people from the Czech Republic would prefer it to be called Czechia, but that doesn’t change what most of us in the ''English speaking world'' call it. The same logic applies to the “United Kingdom”, over the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.” The key here is that most English speaking people would call the country North Korea before they call it Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (and so forth for the other countries). <font face="Avenir, Futura, sans-serif">—&nbsp;[[User:HTGS|HTGS]]&nbsp;([[User talk:HTGS|talk]])</font> 18:56, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
:i disagree [[User:Gameshowandsportsfan2007|Gameshowandsportsfan2007]] ([[User talk:Gameshowandsportsfan2007|talk]]) 19:05, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

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Adidas kit supplier

It says that Adidas, as of 2012, are the team's new kit suppliers. This is highly unlikely, seeing as it is a very Western company and Adidas clothing is forbidden when visiting the DMZ, never mind within the country. I can't find any evidence for this - would be fascinating if true! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.77.215 (talk) 22:14, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The restrictions on clothing worn to the DMZ are imposed by South Korea.--Jack Upland (talk) 07:00, 1 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2011 Asian Cup

According to the 2011 AFC Asian Cup qualification article, the DPRK has withdrawn from the qualifiers. Does anybody know why they withdrew? --Tocino 04:31, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They haven't withdrawn, they are in the 2010 AFC Challenge Cup which in itself is a qualification round.Druryfire (talk) 10:48, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Myong-Won

Kim Myong-Won appears himself as a goalkeeper in the FIFA provisional list from the players who were called up to squads for the 2010 FIFA World Cup. However, in their same site, checking the players' appearances at the Qualifyings, we can see that this man has appeared in 3 matches, all of them replacing a striker. Whether he can act as Goalkeeper and Striker like Jorge Campos I don't know, but since he has played the qualifyings as an outfield player (wearing no. 7 in all 3 matches), I took the decision to place him together with the strikers that is the position that is confirmed he plays —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baros1 (talk • contribs) 06:38, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mayne its a homonym just like Nam-Chol Pak —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.121.4.131 (talk) 15:00, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, it isn't. I'm SURE that Kim Myong-Won plays forward, but cannot understand why people continue to mess up with this article. You can see FIFA official reports and statistics concerning THIS Kim Myong-Won and they all tell that he is a forward. It's unbeliavable to keep editing uncertain things from those who are SURE about something —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.83.34.124 (talk) 22:50, 30 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A bit late to comment on this, but.. Actually he was registered by the North Korean football confederation as a goalkeeper for the World Cup. The reasons for this is not known, but presumably they did that to get another outfield player in the squad, instead of a third goalkeeper. If I remember correctly he wasn't allowed to play in any other positions that goalkeeper during the World Cup though.Nukualofa (talk) 11:15, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Juicy details on football and politics?

I was wondering if any were available. Unfortunately, it appears they are, though editors should check a more-primary source on putting the entire WC team for a stint in the gulags. And now I feel like a sick voyeur a bit (between that and my high regard for A State of Mind). SamuelRiv (talk) 04:25, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"North Korea Losing Coal Mine" gets you a bunch of news hits. I think this should be on the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.75.138.52 (talk) 22:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Next Games

I think the "Next Games" section should be removed. Although it's helpful, it isn't really appropriate in an encyclopedia. Perhaps it could be changed to a list of games or a list of World Cup games? Quantumelfmage (talk) 21:38, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pak Nam-Chol and Ji Yun-Nam

Any moderator that can lock this article so that only verified members can edit please do that. I have lost the number of times I had to correct fake data from the same IP moving the Pak Nam-Chol (born 1985) to DF and Ji Yun-Nam to MF (it's the opposite). Wikipedia is the free encyclopedia, not the free edit-as-you-want —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baros1 (talk • contribs) 00:35, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Romanization ??

The names Romanized in this article follow neither the rubrics of the McCune-Reischauer, nor ROK systems used elsewhere in Wikipedia. Nor do they appear to accord with a DPRK transliteration system. ~~Doc Rock —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ed4linda (talk • contribs) 14:35, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

May Day Stadium

I'm just curious to when the national side has played at the May Day Stadium. I've seen plenty of articles on here and elsewhere saying that the May Day Stadium is sometimes home to the national side but I can't find anything saying which matches have been or will be played there. Does anyone know of any or is it just an assumption, with it been the biggest stadium in the country, that national team plays there? 94.196.83.169 (talk) 17:35, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Question

"The Legendary Democratic People's Republic of Korea national football team"

As a casual reader and not a major soccer fan, is this for real or is it a joke? Maybe there should be some citation to that title as it stands out to the reader as "off", but then again, it's North Korea, so who knows!

1966 Team - What happened to them?

The line "The squad's return home is shrouded in mystery." was recently removed from the article about the 1966 soccer team. I put it back where it belongs, because if there is something going on there, the world needs to know. I can't, however, find any details so please help me out here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.46.91.245 (talk) 17:39, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. --142.162.69.96 (talk) 20:32, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've undid that revision as it was predictably unverified, and the user's only other contributions were completely unencyclopedic 74.57.177.192 (talk) 21:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

pitchinvasion.net

I've just removed the reference from pitchinvasion.net which is only a blog without any credibility. If no one can add a source for the {{fact}}, I'll remove the unsourced information after one week. Grenouille vert (talk) 18:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

2010 World Cup Team & the Invisible Phone

During the commentary of the game against Brazil, the ESPN commentators noted that Kim Jong-il had stated he had an Invisible Phone connection with the North Korean coach. This was supposed to allow Kim to share strategy with his coach. I think this should be mentioned, since ESPN noted it during the game.[1][2][3][4][5][6]--Subman758 (talk) 15:47, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

and according to this news source the DPRK beat brazil 22-0 and tied portugal 0-0. ;-) 70.81.190.27 (talk) 23:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the sources and found the phrase "paid Chinese actors" problematic. What the original report said was that the tickets FIFA allocated to North Korea were sold in China, and among those who purchased tickets were some well known artists and singers. I don't know how that become "paid Chinese actors" and the sentence in the article is highly distorted and misleading.

I concur that some of the sourcees do not explicitly state that the Chinese attendees were paid to visit. Also, the attendees were not limited to actors. However, other sources do indicate that the tickets and trip were paid by entities or persons other than the attendees.--Rpclod (talk) 02:49, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Since virtually no one in North Korea can afford to travel to South Africa, or obtain a visa, the Beijing office of the North Korean Sports Committee has begun to give out tickets to Chinese fans. So far, a group of around 1,000 Chinese fans, including a group of actors and musicians who have been sent to cheer China in previous World Cup tournaments, will attend the games against Brazil and Portugal to cheer on their North Korean cousins, according to Xinhua, the government-run news agency.[1]
An experienced squad of professional fans are behind those red banners waving in the stands in support of North Korea. Among the 1,000 Chinese fans given tickets by North Korea for the World Cup in South Africa are actors and musicians who have cheered for China in previous World Cups, according to the Xinhua news agency run by the Chinese government. The British newspaper The Daily Telegraph first reported on the hired fans from their Beijing bureau in May. Many others are Chinese tourists who paid for a tour package that included a game, a safari and a trip to a casino.[2]

References

  1. ^ Moore, Malcolm (13 May 2010). "Chinese actors to cheer for North Korea during World Cup". The Daily Telegraph. Shanghai. Retrieved 3 Aug 2010.
  2. ^ "North Korea's hired Chinese fans". Toronto Star. 17 Jun 2010. Retrieved 3 Aug 2010.

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 22:25, 19 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Korea DPR national football team → North Korea national football team — As North Korea is the common name for the country, this should be reflected in all articles about North Korean entities. Wikipedia doesn't use official names when they are unclear and confusing (as Democratic Republic of Korea is). Note a similar discussion at South Korea's team. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 17:39, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support provided the new name is 'North Korea national football team' (just drop the n in Korean). Taking a look at Category:National association football teams the articles use 'whatever country national football team'. Flamarande (talk) 20:17, 11 December 2010 (UTC) PS: Taking a look at Category:North Korea one can see that the use of the common name (North Korea) has been the standard procedure. IMHO this article should follow it too.Flamarande (talk) 20:17, 11 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, common usage and more recognizable.--Kotniski (talk) 12:20, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, Korea DPR may be jarring the first time you see it, but if you have a functioning memory (or if you look at the prominent flags) it will not be a problem. "North Korea national football team" does not exist, and Wikipedia should not try to change reality. Also, name changes like this are a self-perpetuating cycle; if you rename all articles containing Korea DPR to "North Korea" and do the same for the South, of course less people will recognize the official name. Quigley (talk) 00:29, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment I don't think we can reasonably expect most English-speakers to know which country it is based on a blantantly-lying-official name or the country's flag. I'd expect only Koreans to know the flags by heart, and most of them probably use the Korean wiki. As far as the "have to rename everything", pretty much everything else is already titled with "North Korea" (or "South Korea"), the two national football team articles are the exceptions that prove the rule. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 04:36, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment All the football articles refer to Korea DPR and Korea Republic, as I said earlier, if you wish to the names of these articles currently being discussed, then someone needs to go through every football artile and do the same thing. Look at the domestic football and it refers to the K-League, not the SK League. Druryfire (talk) 10:06, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If someone did that, it would be doing a great service, independent of any name change of the articles themselves. People in the real world know these countries and their football teams as North and South Korea - it's the currently used Wikipedia titles that attempt to "change reality".--Kotniski (talk) 11:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, reality is, is that the current names are the correct official ones, member son here want to change to names that they know them as, it's like me changing Manchester United to Man U, we all know both but we don't change them. Druryfire (talk) 12:26, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, in that case we do all know both, so the more formal name is appropriate. With the Koreas, though, we don't know both the official names - we only know North and South Korea - so the analogy doesn't work.--Kotniski (talk) 12:29, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As far as the K-league, it doesn't say anything about which Korea it refers to (if fact, the name doesn't even say Korea, it says K, and lots of stuff begins with K), so that article title has nothing to do with this discussion. The article, in the very first sentence, says it's a team in South Korea, no Republic of Korea. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 16:26, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank's for pointing that out, I've amended it. So why can't we use these articles and say, the Korean Republic football team, more commonly known in the Western media as South Korea are, bla bla bla. This tells the reader the offical name of the team and what the Western world know them as, as the Eastern world kknow them as what they are currently refered to in the article, this is the same for Korea Republic and Korea DPR. Druryfire (talk) 19:49, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are there English-speaking countries in the Eastern world that know these teams as Korean Republic/DPR? Naturally most teams will be called something different in their own countries if English is not their language. But English Wikipedia is written for English speakers - and all the English speakers I know of call these countries and their team North and South Korea, so I see no need to make a big fuss about their more official names, at least, not every time they're mentioned.--Kotniski (talk) 13:51, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
English media on FIFA and AFC recognise these countries as the articles currently refer to. Is that not English enough? Druryfire (talk) 15:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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basic info

any info on who their top 10 cap players and top 10 goal kickers are?

And there is a player who is 22, who apparently, according to FIFA (this wikipedia claims it is) has 109 caps — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.32.135.162 (talk) 14:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 13 November 2020

FIFA use Korea DPR and to be frank in real life i tend to nowadays, i think FIFA names (as per name shown on fifa.com) should ALWAYS be used and not just the slang or British common name. Same goes for Iran-IR Iran, South Korea-Korea Republic and Kyrgyzstan-Kyrgyz Republic (to name a few but i’m sure there is more) Gameshowandsportsfan2007 (talk) 16:02, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nominators don't need to add a line explaining that they support their own requested move. WP:RM says "Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line." Paintspot Infez (talk) 16:46, 13 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 12:30, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The countries (except Iran which is ALWAYS to be referred to as IR Iran according to there PM) have different common names to National Team, i think we should use FIFA names instead of common/country names. I hear bye strongly oppose “Giant Snowman’s” verdict however i accept his opinion, which is declared in good faith and i ask him to explain his opinion more pleaseGameshowandsportsfan2007 (talk) 13:03, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose If using your opinion, then should we rename Russia "Russian Federation national football team", Bolivia "Plurinational State of Bolivia national football team", Taiwan "Republic of China national football team", Australia "Commonwealth of Australia national football team" or Algeria "Democratic People's Republic of Algeria national football team"? Wikipedia is not FIFA and normal people can hardly distinguish this. ZaDoraemonzu (talk) 13:18, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@ZaDoraemonzu: You’re missing the point here mate. FIFA don’t refer as such, i only mean the ones that fifa call different names, therefor every country uses FIFA name. Gameshowandsportsfan2007 (talk) 14:10, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects from all these teams current names should remain so the can be reached as easily as they can be now. Gameshowandsportsfan2007 (talk) 15:04, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You don't understand that Wikipedia isn't FIFA, do you? You want to refer them by full name for what? To break other people's mouths? We respect FIFA, but we have our way to refer these teams. ZaDoraemonzu (talk) 15:12, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
ZaDoraemonzu You’re being quite rude actually, people can call them whatever they want, wikipedia should be as official as possible, i retain my opinion and you can retain yours but let’s not get snappy or argumentative about this. We need to agree to disagree on this one. Gameshowandsportsfan2007 (talk) 17:36, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. WP:COMMONNAME takes precedence over Fifa's nomenclature or what these countries might call themselves. You have to understand, Gameshowandsportsfan2007, Wikpedia is set up so that the average Joe looking for information about "Iran's football team" is going to understand quickly what page they are on. These official names are less quickly understood by the general public, but also: common names are just as easily understood by Fifa officials; nobody is losing here if we use common names. — HTGS (talk) 17:42, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
i guess many people oppose this, but i disagree, a redirect will still exist. In a survey conducted in 2017 94% of Iranians said there country should always be called IR IranGameshowandsportsfan2007 (talk) 17:52, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Under that logic we could just as easily redirect from “IR Iran soccer…” to “Iran soccer…” and it would satisfy the same needs. Redirects aren’t really the question though, the primary title is. Most people from the Czech Republic would prefer it to be called Czechia, but that doesn’t change what most of us in the English speaking world call it. The same logic applies to the “United Kingdom”, over the “United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.” The key here is that most English speaking people would call the country North Korea before they call it Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (and so forth for the other countries). — HTGS (talk) 18:56, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
i disagree Gameshowandsportsfan2007 (talk) 19:05, 14 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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