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Western Chalukya

Thanks for the translation. Is it okay for the Marathi link to remain since you have already provided an English citation?. I am only trying to maintain a clean page and want to make sure it remains English. I think the citation prior to yours isnt in English and is bound to crop up as an issue in reviews to follow. Can you kindly remove the non-English link so as to avoid a revert war.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 17:09, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Why should Marathi citation go? What does Mr.Kannambadi thinks of himself when he says Marathi links will not be added or Google books cannot be cited? I request Mr.Utcursch to unlock the Yadavas article as Wikipedia allows Google books to be cited. Vishu123 18:21, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

this is the link which says Google books are allowed, and the same reason Mr.kannambadi tried to subdued me. Mr.Bl has not revoked the locking. Can u do that please?Vishu123 18:27, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for following me around Vishu123.The only reason I requested utcursch to remove the Marathi link is because its presence makes no sense to the approximately 6 billion people of the world who cant read Marathi. This article is not just meant for people who can. The English language citation already exists and having come thru 2 FA reviews, I know this link will be removed by one of the reviewers. Better now then later. Also, the more info we provide readers in English, the more likely this article is open to a "world view".thanks.Dineshkannambadi 21:17, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Mr.Kannambadi has extraordinary bias about Marathi citations which is unwarranted and deeply offensive. The citation is used to support the statements and hence there is no need for 6 billion people to read the citation. Intrestingly he uses the Kannada writers or websites generously. His prejudice and hatred for Marathi should be strangled. I was very cool but Mr.Kannambadi has conspired to block me to keep the truth out. I request u to unprotect yadavas article. If not provide any valid reason for not doing so. Whatever I have done is in accordance with wikipedia policies to the best of my knowledge.Vishu123 06:51, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I have added the link to the list. Thank you.Vishu123 08:20, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Utcursch

Thank you for the kind word and constructive advice. I treasure them greatly:). Whenever you have moment, can you help me with in-line citation of the portion I added into "Buddhism in India"? I would greatly appreciate it, even if you could point me in the direction of a good tutorial (I'm looking as well), thank you!Nina Odell 14:14, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

That link is so incredibly helpful, I can't tell you. Thank you so much.Nina Odell 15:03, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

User:BostonMA adminship

See the following comment please and rethink your decition (it is not fair :( ) [1] --- ALM 18:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC):

To Alkivar and all others using #6 as grounds to oppose: I thought I would point out, as Boston has tried to above, that in his answer to No. 6 he says that he opposes deleting articles that need work: As a normal editor, [I] have tended to prefer removing spam and stubbification to outright deletion for bad articles about encyclopedic subjects. As an admin, I think I would tend to avoid deleting such articles. However, I would certainly respect the opinions and actions of admins who choose to delete any article that qualifies for speedy deletion. Perhaps I could be persuaded outright deletion is a better approach than stubbification. However, this is my opinion at the moment.

It seems we all got a little confuddled as to that point. Dåvid ƒuchs (talk • contribs) 14:52, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Yadavas of devagiri

Justice delayed is justice denied Vishu123 08:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year 2007

Dear Utcursch/archive,
New Year is the time to enjoy, party and rejuvenate oneself with a new spirit and enthusiasm. It is also the time to forget the past and begin a new life. Let us make the New Year’s resolution to:

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• Fight vandalism.
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New year's day presents

Tips for the Angry New User. I stole it. Tips for the angry new administrator I wrote it.

I want to thank you for all your help and assistance "behind the scenes". I had no idea you were an admin until today, because you're so kind:).Nina Odell 17:40, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Questions I cannot find answers for

Several items for questions. It seems that on the discussion of "beauty queens" that the people dealing with that project have deemed that State Winners of Mrs. teen USA are worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia. Perhaps I read the definition of who should be included in Wikipedia. I also think that some of these are minors and cannot find the rules for the age of people to be included in wikipedia. Although beauty pageants may take some effort, I have to wonder if in the long run, this is more wikinews. I have tried to bring this to the attention of some, but thus far have a very unpleasant experience with this.

Secondly, when there is someone who has the same name, what is the policy on that? With the proliferation of Mrs. Teen participants from years back, there will begin to be overlap, as I am sure that there already is. I am a teacher who spends a lot of time teaching others how to use wikis and have won the 2006 Edublog Award for best wiki project, and currently have the top teacher blog according to Technorati rankings, so other teachers look to me. I have a google RSS feed of my name and over the holidays was reviewing the information on Wikipedia about another Victoria Davis. It seems if you look at the criteria that even with my accolades, I have only been blogging a year and perhaps would not be considered for inclusion in notable people (and I'm fine with that), however, the same standards need to apply to everyone. Bottom line, I'm feeling that if you have a lot of time on your hands and feel that you want to wage "a war in Wikipedia" which I do not have either desire, that you can ensure fairness, otherwise, those who have a lot of time seem to dominate the information. I will continue to watch my topics of interest, which I guess can no longer include my own name. I have no desire to take on the pageant fanatics but disagree with the inclusion of the teen information at the state level as I have expressed on their forum. It simply doesn't meet your own criteria. Victoria A. Davis 17:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I've replied on your talk page. I'll look into this matter. I could find only one precedent: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Calley Anne Slagle. The article on Miss Idaho USA Calley Anne Slagle was deleted -- there was no claim to notability apart from the state teen title. I'll soon have a look at other articles as well. utcursch | talk 13:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Is there a method to transwiki this to WikiNews? It would really fit there? (By the way, you are great!) Victoria A. Davis 05:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

ceasefire

Please see this- [2] Vishu123 07:03, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

use of Marathi books/publications

Dear Sir, this problem of using self translated Marathi books/publicatons etc is only growing. The problem has now spread to Chalukya page and nobody knows what is being translated accurately and what is not. We really need to get to the bottom of this before English language wikipedia becomes non-English language wikipedia. We really need to bring in a team of participants here who can help us decide what is right for English language wikipedia and what is not. I see this as a growing menace to English wikipedia. I have left a message for Blnguyen also regarding this. thanks.Dineshkannambadi 14:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

My sincere suggestion in the interest of English wikipedia is that we bring together a wide group of admins/seniors from across the board and come to a consensus about non-English books/publications and their validity and if so under what circumstances.India has over 22 official languages and hundreds of dialects. We cant have all these versions running around English wikipedia.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 16:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Marathi Books referenced by Vishu123 Medieval India (madhyayugin bharat) By C.V.Vaidya- It contains both the theories of Dr.Bhandrakar and V.K.Rajwade Marathyancha Itihaas By Dr.S.G Kolarkar (it books too contain many postulates of above noted historians) महाराष्ट्राचे प्राचीन राज्यकर्ते Maharashtrache prachin rajyakarte by V.K rajwade Bharatacha Ithaas Dr.S.G Kolarkar Dineshkannambadi 00:29, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

English version of C.V's book is not available in any library. I think we must consider not allowing partisan and unknwn authors like Mr.kannambadi has quoted. The books being in english doesnt make them pristine. We cant build history English wikipedia by using only books of few partisan and unimportant writers. You are requested to check my translation.Vishu123 17:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Use of Snippets as citation

Here are some of the the "scholarly" snippets used by user:Vishu123 (user:Mrtag, User:Ithaas) to accurately represent the history of the Rashtrakuta Empire and Western Chalukyas. We need to bring consensus about this also along with Marathi sources, in order to preserve the quality of wikipedia.

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• [6] (in this case user:Utcursch has provided an eqvivalent English language citation, but User:Vishu123 prefers his native language and expects the world to follow his command.

If this problem is not resolved, the History of India will a trail of snippets.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 02:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

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Vishu123

I see that another sock-account has been created. As you seem to be mediating (once again) I am not in a hurry to block this account. And wish you a very happy new year! - Aksi_great (talk) 14:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Maratha Empire

Sir, I had added valid English language citation to this page and also tagged the article as flowery with no citaions what so ever. I has added in several tags because there were none to support the claims. All this has been reverted by user:vishu123 without explanation. His answer on the article's discussion page answers for itself. Please advice Vishu123 not to revert valid English language citations.Thanks.Dineshkannambadi 15:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your consideration

Thank you for the consideration you gave to my RfA. To be chosen as an administrator requires a high level of confidence by a broad section of the community. Although I received a great deal of support, at this time I do not hold the level of confidence required, and the RfA did not pass. Yours was one of the neutral votes, and raised concerns. I am more than willing to discuss those concerns with you if you are interested. Please let me know. Sincerely, --BostonMA ^talk 13:12, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Iran Article Vandalism

An individual with IP address 65.96.234.178 is constantly engaged in vandalizing the Iran article. I have checked his so-called contributions, and it seems that he/she is targeting articles related to Iran. Could you please do something about his constant vandalism? Thanks Persiano 16:45, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Krrish 2 recreated

Hello, Utcursch, you have contributed in the debate if the article Krrish 2 should be deleted or not. Most recently, it has been recreated, and information on cast and crew have been added. I couldn't find a reliable source for the movie's status and the provided IndiaFM.com link on the article, is, in my oppinion, not enough to support a definite making of the movie ("has been said" sounds like a rumour to me). I added the AfD-footer, but since this is a second-time-candidate for deletion, I'm not sure how to proceed. Could you help me out? Best regards, --Plumcouch ^Talk2Me 22:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

AfD thanks

Thanks for clearing up this insidious spam so quickly! --Steve _(Slf67) ^talk 22:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

User:Vishu123

It is pity that it is only me who's fighting against Mr.Kannambadi's insult of Maharashtra history. As a Marathi person u should had supported me against him especially when i am talking sense and true. Arent Yadavas of Devagiri our ancestors? If they are kannadiga so are you and me. After spending horus in library looking for books and spending fee hundred rupees all what i have got is insults and ill-comments from Mr.kannambadi and his allias. Still none of Marathi editors are aware of dubious partisan and one-sided books of Mr.Kannambadi. Why is he pampared even if he has a deep hatred against Maharashtrians and he himself has agreed that Yadavas are marathi also see this this. In the Ganagas page he is removing the Shravanbelagola Marathi inscription by giving hillarious explaination of it is already on other page? So why should be on this relevant page? He deleted everything i added in rashtrakutas chalukyas yadavas by imagining that Google books and marathi books are not allowed. I even presented the links to prove that they are allowed and result is i am blocked! Still no one is taking note of his blatant kannada terrorism across the history articles of wikipedia. For instance go to any page made by him and serach for word 'kannada.

I am almost thrown out out of all articles by various blocks, silence of marathi editors and inaction by concerned seniors. I have done my duty of trying my best. I have not taken the 'theka' of defending these articles. It is getting on my nerves. I am going to throw my books to kabadi because of these kannambadis in wikipedia. rememebr it is our ignorance which is enabling such kannambadis to ruin our articles. 59.95.39.200 07:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC) PS-Neither i am mahwiki or sarvabhaum. i dont know why u ppl slap me with these allegations? 59.95.39.200 07:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

thanks

Thank you for your continued effort on this page to preserve its quality.thanks.Dineshkannambadi 14:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Is their any policy that one network should have only one user editing wikipedia. I was not aware of sarvabhaum (its not his real name) is editing too. What will i do if my other ids were blocked unnecessarily?

If u see the immigrants of karnataka,the section is still big and it has only one book as source.Why is Kannada literature section before Marathi? It should be made short(the immigrant stuff),in my opinion. How does it justify kannada script? Ok if that is included why is Rashtrakutas, Chalukyas Kadambas Gangas not containing C.V.Vaidya, Rajwade and Bhandarkar's opinion of rashtrakutas being Maratha Kshatriyas, Ratta (maratha) dynasty respectively? Why is not Maharashtri Prakrit/Marathi script at least on Rashtrakutas page? Why is that info deleted every time I add?U seem to have missed other additions of mine like 'peculiarities of Marathi culture was developed during the times of Yadavas'

regarding Marathi being the only language, see my dozens of citations do u find mention of kannada there? They speak of THE court language and not a court language.If you are not aware, Yadavas of Devagiri (Yadavas having capital at Devagiri (daulatabad) in Auranganad)- Ramchandra and Mahadev had Marathi as exclusive court language. I have been to that place and I know about it. Their early ancestors (read Seunachandra) might have had kannada as a official language,not the whole dynasty had it. Hence its mention is exaggerated.

The link about kannada inscriptions- all of them are in Karnataka. Obviously the earlier yadavas might be Kannada or their feudatory there must have has erected them. Ok it proves that this mention should be there in the article but why Kannada script? How does it prove that Yadavas of devagiri had Kannada as official language? I suggest deleting kannada script, trimming so-called karnataka immigrant thing, deleting Marathi script from rashtrakutas,chalukyas,kadambas,gangas but adding about C.V.Vaidya/rajawade/Altekar/Bhandarkar's theories about origin in those articles too.

P.S I condemn those who blocked me without giving me fair trial. Plz answer me,if u want at vishu123 page.

59.95.3.62 19:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Earlier Yadavs might had kannada as court language, i bet Yadavas of devagiri have not. Can we form a new article for Yadavas of devagiri?

Incidently u seem to add all other citations of Kannada but didnt revert my Marathi additions. If u think Kannada script should be there,so be it. I have enough citations for Rashtrakutas, Kadambas, Chalukyas being of Maratha Kashatriya origin. I have presented them as well. Please add those details and Marathi script there.

I am extremely disappointed that u missed a Google books citations which explicitly said 'overthrew' the rule of Kannada. Why so,any explaination? Plz include it as well.

Once again tell me how/where do i ask justice for Mr.Kannambadi's dubious reginalistic partisan books. I read NPOV section which clearly say that citations should be NPOV. I request u to tell the details, i will go to the final authority of wikipedia. And plz unblock either of my id.59.95.15.185 06:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)