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== Thanks for the heads up ==

Yes, I could defend my work on The Castle, but why? I think it is good, others think it is a High School paper. I learned a huge amount while doing far more than in the article, not to mention the same thing for The Trial (never posted). But I drove into Wikipedia to try to contribute what I was learning and share it with others. What I think I found was that there was a group of people (probably small) that "have a better way", or finally have some power, and you have to defend yourself to them. Not my interest in this in the slightest. Many of my articles have been cut to bits or looked down upon. At the same time I can use the work for my own and benefit from that directly.

Thanks for your help. The Wikipedia experience was very interesting but shows too much of the underbelly of human nature I despise.

[[User:Toddwill|Todd]] 03:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

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Did you give reasons for your rating, or discuss way of improving anywhere? If not, they would be very helpful. The Ginny Weasley peer review was edging toward Featured Article status. Why did you think differently? Please post on the comments page. Thanks, John Reaves 09:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks. John Reaves 10:13, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I noticed you left a note on John Reaves page saying you had left comments re GA review for Draco Malfoy and Ginny Weasley on those pages. But for the life of me, I can't find them. Can you show me where they are? Sandpiper 23:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You supported Waverley (novel), which has been selected as the Novels WikiProject's new Collaboration of the Month. Please help improve this article towards featured article standard. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 11:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whew!?! aka 25000+

Congratulations on the quarter 100,000 edit milestone. feydey 17:30, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Thanks

Thanks for all your efforts completing various aspects of Novel articles, your help is noticed and much appreciated. Just one detail the normal plural abbreviation for "pages" is "pp", some editors tend to put "p." which I notice you have correctly changed but the convention is "pp". Again thanks for getting stuck in an I hope you are enjoying working here. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 11:58, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate the thanks, still learning some of the ropes but getting more comfortable editing other peoples work and information. I'll take note on the "pp" and quit changing it to "pg". I was begining to wonder about that it was popping up to much to be a typo. I also wanted to say thanx for fixing that coding mistake the other day. And last but not least a great big CONGRATS on your milestone. It had to have taken forever to do! Jask99 01:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

has been orphaned and replaced in the article The Posthumous Memoirs of Bras Cubas by this public domain image. Lupo 08:13, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks... Let me do it tommorrow.

sorry... got busy with other things... I still can't believe that the admins let CAT:CSD run up to 300 articles. Anyway, give me till tomorrow. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 09:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I did not get to it tonight... I have the tool running now though. If I get a good set of results I will give to you. —— Eagle (ask me for help) 01:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Novels newsletter?

Hi, I'm not sure why, but I did not receive this month's newsletter or collaboration of the month. Is there any way I could become re-subscribed to it? Thanks for taking the time to write them every month! Hurrah 01:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request for opinion

Hi,

I saw you were active on the Novels project page and so I wanted to get your opinion on the way the Against the Day page looks. As you know, it's about Thomas Pynchon's latest novel, which is full of abstruse words, abstruse ideas, abstruse historical events and just about everything else, as long as it's abstruse. I started playing around with it and experimenting, throwing in various sections I thought would be useful to a reader perplexed by the novel (actually it appears that all readers are perplexed by all Pynchon novels). This means the article is rather long and has elements that aren't in most (Ok, aren't in any) other Wikipedia articles about novels. I think this is OK, but I like to occasionally bend rules, do things differently, experiment and even invent new ways of helping the reader. Other editors disagree with some of these additions to the page, and there's an intense discussion on the talk page right now. If you have the time and the interest, I'd be interested in what you think, whether you agree or disagree with my proposals, and whether or not you want to put your comments on the discussion page or my talk page. Thanks for reading this far. Noroton 19:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter: Issue VII - December 2006

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter
Issue VII - December 2006
Project news
  • The project Scope has been slightly expanded to include the shorter narrative prose fiction of Novelettes and Short stories.
  • Due to the diligance of many editors we now have more than 5000 articles tagged as part of the project.
  • Keeping the Novels announcements page up to date and fresh is in need of a volunteer who can keep an eye on it and keep it's content fresh and lively. Please let us know if you are able to help with this. It doesn't involve much, but it needs to be looked at regularly.
Member news
  • The project has currently 178 members, 9 joined & 1 leavers since the last newsletter at the start of November 2006.
Other news
From the Members

Welcome to the seventh issue of the Novels WikiProject's newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do.

We would encourage all members to get more envolved and if you are wondering what with, please ask.

Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk), Initiating Editor

Auto list news
  • Plenty of work has been done on articles included in the "auto lists" in the last couple of months. Particluarly so for the NovelsInCompleteInfobox list, which is constantly being worked on by a number of editors and most of those missing "genre" entries and quite a number with missing "ISBN" entires have been dealt with. A re-run of this list is due soon, courtesy of user Eagle.
Collaboration of the Month
Current debates
  • A new policy proposal has been started and the various points are to be seen at Wikipedia:Speedy deletion criterion for unsourced articles, please take a look at these and comment. This is a vital subject and all editors should consider the implications. These are NOT active yet, but could have wide reaching consequences. Please contribute your views.
  • We have a project structure that allows for the formation of special interest task forces (al la "WP:MILHIST".) This was mentioned last month and a few have indicated interest. This is useful for identifying groups of Novels editors who have a common interest. (i.e. Science fiction novels, Crime Novels, Children's novels, Classic literature, Russian novels etc.) Would there be interest out there in setting one or more of these up. Comments please to the General Forum. Currently I am considering starting with "Crime Novels" and "Russian Novels" to see what can be achieved.
Newsletter challenge

Last months Lawrence Durrell's novel Clea challenge was met by Hurrah (talk · contribs), who was "very" quick off the mark. As with the previous months it is now a very small stub in need of "loving care".

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Ideas for the January newsletter

  1. I noticed that WP:TROP is calling their Newsletter - The Hurricane Herald; so maybe a friendly competition/debate or similar in the next newsletter or on the project page to name he novels newsletter? Or if You have a good one already...
  2. The newsletter is getting big, so maybe use the other column (if the next newsletter also balloons). Maybe move Collaboration of the Month and Challenge to the right column?

Cheers, feydey 03:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

scope of the Novels project

Hi Kevin, just wanted to ask you about the scope of the Novels project. Are articles about genres (like paranoid fiction) also in scope? I do not believe they currently are in scope, but the newsletter did ask for that article to be created. Anyway, lots of confusion here. Errabee 03:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I had just tought it went without saying that articles about novels would be in scope (i.e. the field as well as examples. So if you disagree or need to enhance the scope statement please say or just alter it. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:44, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your answer. It's fine by me, although I wonder why the most important article in this category (which would be novel) is not labeled as in scope yet. I'll fix that immediately. Errabee 09:11, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'll think about a rewording; I'll let you know in a day or two. Errabee 09:27, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think much work needs to be done. The first sentence of the Scope section can be clarified by adding and literary genres associated with fictional narrative to the end. An extry entry is needed in the Hierarchy Definition about the literary genres. I think that should cover it all. Errabee 12:16, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've changed it. Please review. Errabee 17:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

References versus footnotes

Please don't change the "References" heading to "Footnotes", as you did at The Immaculate Conception. This is largely a matter of personal preference; it is not an "error" that needs correcting. As the initial editor of the article, I prefer to use "References" for citations and "Footnotes" for additional explanatory text; I make a distinction where others may not. That doesn't make any of us wrong or in need of correction. Thanks.Chidom talk  19:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

wikifying Facts of Life

Hi. You added a 'please wikify' tag to the above. I'm not really clear what you think needs doing: the article's a stub, sure, but it's in WP format so far as I can see. Could you clarify? Cheers, Sam Clark 20:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

About references/footnotes in Something Wicked This Way Comes

I noticed that you assessed the Something Wicked This Way Comes and also revised some parts of it. Most of these changes are welcome, and I thank you, but I do have one question: is there a difference between references and footnotes? I thought that references were mainly to list sources in an article, and footnotes for just notes (not sources); am I mistaken? I reread Wikipedia:Citing sources, but I am still not sure what exactly is the difference between references and footnotes. Can you please clear this up for me? Breed Zona 23:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That explanation did clear things up for me; thanks a lot for that. I wonder if Internet sources go under References or Footnotes, though? I'm assuming References. Breed Zona 00:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, i was wondering if there is any chance that i can keep a novel that i'm editing from being seen by the public until im finished. So if you could just message me on my discussion page. Thanks.


voshvoshka

Yes it helps, thanks for the tips.


voshvoshka

You put a clean-up tag on This Side of Paradise and did something else, ignoring vandalism. I'm not sure what you did, and don't have time to re-add clean-up tag, and I incorrectly tagged it RV to your last version, when it was to your 3rd to last version. Sorry for the hassle, but I'm not sure what the AWB or whatever is, so you may need to do it again. KP Botany 15:46, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

re: Momo (novel) assessment

Thanks, I've started a significance/criticism section but I think your assessment of start-class/mid-importance is about right. 67.117.130.181 05:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Night

Kevin, I moved Night (book) back to that title from Night (novel). The problem with the "novel" title is that part of the debate about the book is whether it's a novel or non-fiction, which is why it's called Night (book), and also why the first sentence calls it a "work" to get round having to decide one way or the other. As it's a featured article, we need to be especially careful. Let me know if you're okay with that. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 07:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"First edition preferred"

Hi. I was amused to see this added to the infobox on The Small Rain, published in 1945. Having collected L'Engle novels for over 30 years, I've still never even SEEN the original cover of this book - and if I did, I'd have to think long and hard before spending several hundred dollars to buy it and scan it for Wikipedia. Rest assured that I will always post first edition covers if I have them, but it's not always possible. For example, my hardback of The Young Unicorns is an ex-library rebinding. I've searched online for the cover of the first edition, and nobody has one posted. All I see is lots and lots of copies of the current paperback cover art. No big deal at this end - I know you're just adding standardised info on what we want to post whenever possible. Still, I'll be very surprised if we ever get 100% compliance on L'Engle books of the 1940s to 1960s. Regards, and keep up the good work! Karen | Talk | contribs 18:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have re-opened the deletion review. Please have a look at it [1] and comment Refdoc 18:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added your comment to the second DRV's archive. The new DRV was speedily closed because the deletion had been endorsed in another DRV the day before. There is no agenda for anything, and the article is unsalted, so the article creator can just recreate the article with the sources he found. --Coredesat 12:35, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Paranoid fiction

Hi again. I know you classified the paranoid fiction article as a "stub," but I've just expanded the article beyond stub length with the help of two Internet sources listed at the bottom of the article. Could you please re-assess the article if you have the time? Much thanks, Breed Zona 03:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Martian Chronicles

Hi. What's your call regarding the categorizing of The Martian Chronicles? As the article says, it falls in the crack between being a collection of short stories and being a full novel. In fact it's categorized as a novel. Should I add it to the Short story task force? 23skidoo 03:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I wrote the article, and had a hard time with the details for the infobox. I'm curious how you got the publisher? Please let me know source. Thanks. --Pinay06|Talk|Email 05:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, this is really great! Thank you!!!--Pinay06 (Talk*Email) 09:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Book cover

This is to let you know that I've orphaned the fair use image Image:Poe TheNarrativeOfArthurGordonPymOfNantucket.jpg, and replaced it with Image:Poe TheNarrativeOfArthurGordonPymOfNantucket title.jpg, an image in the public domain. For more information, see the book cover replacement project. Thanks. Chick Bowen 00:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Kevin. Recently, you added back an invalid ISBN to this article, that had been removed as part of normal ISBN maintenance efforts. This is one of the famous published-invalid ISBNs listed at [2]. Although WP has no firm standard on what to do with published-invalid ISBNs, it seems reasonable to give our readers another standard book number, which *does* work and is valid. That is what the OCLC number was trying to do. If you click on the OCLC reference, it opens up a library catalog entry for the book. However you deleted this as part of your cleanup efforts. Also, the bad ISBN will keep on getting a warning template from SmackBot, each time it runs. Given these disadvantages, would you be willing to consider restoring the way we had it previously? EdJohnston 04:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kevin. I replied to your message on my talk page. EdJohnston 13:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorting out the universe

Hi Kevin, and thanks for your comments. As I noted to one user, better whip this into shape now before we get thousands more articles in those categories. And you're right about "once a cataloguer" - as you can tell, I gravitate toward sorting stubs and categorizing - it makes up for my Real Life which is not organized at all. Very satisfying! Her Pegship (tis herself) 14:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unspecified source for Image:DavidRohl promo.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:DavidRohl promo.jpg. I notice the file's description page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this file yourself, then there needs to be a justification explaining why we have the right to use it on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you did not create the file yourself, then you need to specify where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

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If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their source and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link. Unsourced and untagged images may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Ptr ru 15:57, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You supported The Scarlet Letter, which has been selected as the Novels WikiProject's new Collaboration of the Month. Please help improve this article towards featured article standard. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 10:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delany tagging

I noticed that you've been very busy tagging and cleaning up various novel-related pages, including several new articles regarding the works of Samuel R. Delany. I'm sure you'll find these eventually, but I wanted to be sure that you are aware of the pages for the Return to Neveryon series. They are in need of tagging. Thanks, --Kdring 17:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the invitation to join the project. I will think about it -- I must admit that I'm fairly new to Wikipedia, even though I have done a fair amount of editing over the last few months. I should also say that I'd be pretty much restricting what I do to Delany's work. And furthermore, I'm not really sure just how much time I would have available. But as I said, I'll think about it. Thanks again, --Kdring 18:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Took your suggestion on the Return to Neveryon discussion page and added a references section to the article. --Kdring 23:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
While I'm asking . . . would you mind rating Empire Star as well? Thanks! --Kdring 06:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Further questions about the Return to Neveryon article (thanks, BTW, for your citation corrections). When I found it, the four individual volumes were included as separate sections of the main article. At the time, it seemed best to break them off into their own individual articles (the way the article was written certainly lent itself to that). Now I'm not so sure that was the best course. I think that it would be quite silly to repeat major sections of the main article on each page, but it seems that neither the main article nor the individual volume articles will seem complete without the other. What are your thoughts on re-integrating the volume articles into the main article? --Kdring 19:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Novels Wikiproject scope

Hi, I have a question about the scope of the project. Are Japanese light novels considered out of scope? If so, I apologize for tagging all those articles. I assumed they were within scope because the ones I'm familiar with (Boogiepop and Kino no Tabi) do read like young adult novels, if perhaps sometimes a little experimental (Boogiepop's nonlinear structure). Since Vampire Hunter D was tagged as part of the project, I thought other translated works like it were included as well. My apologies for the extra work. -- 9muses 18:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think what might be confusing is the fact light novels are known for having illustrations in an anime/manga style but those illustrations don't make up the bulk of the content. To be honest, there are usually no more than 10 or so illustrations per 200-page light novel, in my experience. I'm not entirely sure what criteria we're using to define "novel" but light novels in structure and narrative are definitely not like manga or graphic novels since they use only prose to tell the story, rather than an interaction of narration and artwork. If you've read the later Valdemar novels by Mercedes Lackey (the Storm trilogies), those are the types of illustrations I'm talking about, only they're in an anime/manga style rather than pseudo-realistic.
Content-wise, it could be argued that the action many light novels contain are more in line with the action you'd find in anime/manga, but that's a value judgement I'm not entirely comfortable making since it can be arbitrary and to be fair, the action is no more fantastic than what you'd find in many genre fantasy novels or recent Western YA novels like Sam Enthoven's Black Tattoo. -- 9muses 11:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter: Issue VII - December 2006

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter
Issue VIII - January 2007
Project news
  • Welcome to a new calendar year (for most of us!)
  • During this year we have seen huge a growth in the number of editors contributing to the project and a massive increase in the number of articles linked to the project. We have managed to raise the quality of significant numbers of articles. But with this ever changing beast that is wikipedia there is no room of complacency and there is a mountain of editing work still to do. The member project space has developed and the latest developments are more Outreach options for your use and the establishment of the first "Task Force" for special interest areas within the overall purview of the project.
  • There are now well over 7000 articles taged as part of the project!
Member news
  • The project has currently 192 members, 15 joined & 1 leavers since the last newsletter at the start of November 2006.
Other news
Auto list news
Current debates
From the Members

Welcome to the eighth issue of the Novels WikiProject's newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do.

We would encourage all members to get more envolved and if you are wondering what with, please ask.

Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk), Initiating Editor

Collaboration of the Month
Newsletter challenge

Last months paranoid fiction challenge was met by the surreal chess playing, manga reading user Breed Zona (talk · contribs) with an accurate stub.

  • The first person to start the article is mentioned in the next newsletter. This month's article is Fictional locations.

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Thanks for the heads up

Yes, I could defend my work on The Castle, but why? I think it is good, others think it is a High School paper. I learned a huge amount while doing far more than in the article, not to mention the same thing for The Trial (never posted). But I drove into Wikipedia to try to contribute what I was learning and share it with others. What I think I found was that there was a group of people (probably small) that "have a better way", or finally have some power, and you have to defend yourself to them. Not my interest in this in the slightest. Many of my articles have been cut to bits or looked down upon. At the same time I can use the work for my own and benefit from that directly.

Thanks for your help. The Wikipedia experience was very interesting but shows too much of the underbelly of human nature I despise.

Todd 03:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]