Talk:Squatting/Archive 1

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BSDM?

the article says that "some" Social Centers are hosting BSDM rooms. i visited most squats defined social centers all around Europe in the past 10 years and i never saw nor heard of something like that.

I have heard of groups such as Queeruption doing parties with darkrooms etc in squats such as Africa (Amsterdam) and KOPI (Berlin), but I agree that there are probably not permanent BDSM rooms Mujinga 21:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

wowow! how sexy! however i know some loony left wing squat centres like rampart (east london) or the old theatre near holloway road where the hippies would think they had become nazis for not already having a BDSM room "hey guys! we nazis we dont accept bondage! we are repressing others! no way man thats heavy!" like neil from the young ones TV show. (mira)

Farmers

Squatters The early squatters were brave farmers who moved out to newly discovered lands in the hope of finding a place they could settle for themselves.

Yeah, brave murderous farmers who stole land from its rightful owners--Native Americans. How is the land "newly discovered" if people have been living their for thousands of years? I'm all for modern squatting of unused buildings and land, but amercian 'pioneers' were just a bunch of greedy losers.

First of all, most Native Americans didn't believe in land ownership, so your first point is moot. And a pluarity of those greedy losers were the "huddled masses yearning to breathe free" that the empires of Europe didn't want anymore, the rest being refugees of the War of Northern Agression. As for murderous, the native tribes had been relegated to reservations by the Yankee government long before the pioneers ever arrived out west. Righteous indignation is all well and good, but it really does behoove one to do a little independent research before spouting what some agenda-driven professor told you.170.215.105.201 06:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Not to mention the Native Americans were savages and not the noble aborigines you'd like to think. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.163.0.41 (talk) 15:44, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Two meanings

I would suggest that a distinction be made between squatting (1) as the act of initially settling on Crown land without permission, as in the Australian pastoral expansion or the westward movement in the USA in the nineteenth century, and (2) the more modern, principally urban act, of occupying a building without any right or title. It seems to me that the motivation and methods of these two processes are fundamentally different, and the use of the same term muddies this distinction. So, could we disambiguate between, say, "Squatting (pastoral)" and "Squatting (urban)". I'm not fussed whether the heading refers to the act (squatting) or the person (squatter). Dick 21:16, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think you will find that the "more modern, principally urban act" of occping private property without the owners permission is actually the older usage, adn goes back in english law before the settlement of either Austrialia or the Americas, and applies to both buildings and undeveloped land. Thjis I think that your distinction is incorrect and should not be made. There may be a distinction to be made between squatting on public and private property. Note that "homesteading" in the US westward expansion was not considered squattign -- it was a procedure created by statute where a person family could occupy unclaimed public land of a certian size, and if they lived on it and developed it to a specified standard within a specified time would be granted title, and in the mean time had legal rights to occupy the land. DES 07:42, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

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I think this page is not exactly NPOV. It needs a section on how to get rid of squatters too.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.203.116.246 (talk • contribs) 06:45, 13 August 2005 (UTC+11 hours) (in London the best way is to find a dog that likes the taste of Poland!)

No it doesnt need that info. this isnt a self help guide! it does say how to find an empty property, steal gas/electric and change a lock. (mira)

Split to Squatting (pastoral)

Dick's suggestion that a distinction should be made between the two types of squatting that he outlines is quite correct, and he is also correct in stating the placement of both types within the same article "muddies the distinction". The attempt by DES to counter this is way off the mark. The question of which type of squatting is older than the other is totally irrelevant and misses the point. Talking of "homesteading" in the USA is another red herring; this is an Australian term. In Australia for much of the 19th century squatters were in the upper echelons of society. Their activities were illegal for only a short period, but the term stuck. It started off as derogatory, but very rapidly became a badge of honour. At their height these guys (& the occasional woman) were the feudal landlords of vast domains, and held great sway - economically, socially & politically - in Australia. They are as different as chalk & cheese to the essentially urban & underclass squatters to which most of this article refers. By the way the term "squatter" to describe a large land-owner is still in use in Australia in rural areas. In cities the term would more likely apply to the 2nd category (as outlined by Dick). Hopefully common sense will prevail & this article is split into the two categories. Ikeshut 23:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I would support a split to Squatting (pastoral) leaving a reference to that main article in this article. I suspect that otherwise this article covers urban and other squatting.--Golden Wattle ^talk 23:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

sorry but i really don't understand what you mean with this pastoral squatting? indeed the use of the word in australia sounds very confusing, anyway the concept of squatting deals with land owners that have more space than they can occupy themselves; so i'm not surprised is just used for its counterpart, it happens in languages. jaromil 01:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I've created the new article Squatting (pastoral), leaving a link in the "squatting" article & added a link to the squat disambiguation page. Ikeshut 05:07, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Squatting in LDCs

I think this article completely misses the larger portion of squatters in the world: squatters in lesser-developed countries (LDCs). As Robert Neuwirth writes in Shadow Cities, there are 1 billion squatters in the world, and the number is not projected to fall anytime soon. Most of these people are not squatting to make a statement, because they're anarchists, or any other typical university student-type idea. They're doing it because they lack the option to live legally. The introduction to the article does mention the favelas of Brazil, but it could go much further in that direction. It especially should discuss squatters' rights in the developing areas of the world.

Um, maybe I'll get to that when I have time. This is wikipedia, after all.

its been mentioned in the papers that in due to the instability in Iraqi many people have begun squatting there. it mentioned some of this was actions of political bullies, others from having no other choice.

mira.

St. Agnes Place

...is defunct, or so says the article elsewhere on wikipedia. I know nothing about this, but... Something Should Be Done. 14:38, —preceding unsigned comment by 24.91.23.134 (talk • contribs) 5 December 2005 (UTC+11 hours )

yes the place got shut down last summer it was in ever major UK newspaper lat summer, me and my mates were laughing at the tabloid headlines, infact a image of one of the newspaper pages would make a great example of common views towards squaters.

mira.

Socially interesting?

I read "squats are often socially interesting places". What do you mean with "socially interesting"? I live in a town that is full of squats, and sincerely I could objects on this point: there are some interesting places, and some other (the majority, according to me) that are far from being interesting. Guys, gimme some clue! --Angelo 23:02, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree a POV unverified statement. Hence I will remove. The statement may apply to some of the very famous suats, but the they have their own mentions anyway.--A Y Arktos 04:08, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

My own POV/first-hand experience is that they are interesting because:

The occupants know that the property is not theirs, so the usual "My pink side of the drainpipe" does not apply; meaning squabbles about property ownership. It´s an interesting study on the idea of "All for one, and one for all" theory.

There are lots of reasons why they are not good: because of easy access to drugs/a place where dealers can make a living. Their neighbours are also put under pressure because of the their frequent complaints about parties, and general noise. And why do a lot of people that live in squats have ´raggedy´ mongrel dogs?

andreasegde 16:23, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

'Socially interesting places' is pretty vague and POV without references or justification, but I would interpret the statement as alluding to the idea that living rent free is an attractive option for artists and musicians who therefore have time to spend on their vocation rather than being trapped in the cycle of working all day to pay the bills for living (rent, electricity etc). Squats therefore tend to have more 'going on' than normal rented apartments both in terms of the range activities being organised from them and more superficially, in terms of the way they appear (painted bright or with lots of agitprop stuck to the walls). Squats can often (in my experience) be interesting both because of the different types of people living there and becuase of the principles they are run on - many radical social centres are found in squats. A squat can be said to be a concrete example of resistance to a capitalistic system which prizes property over people. I could go on, but you probably get my drift. Mujinga 15:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Expansion of section on South Africa

The section on squatting in South Africa could mention the "Red Ants", the procedure for evicting squatters and the legal status of squatter camps. Park3r 13:49, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Use of fotos

I reverted to a previous edit to remove the two photographs added today by User:Rafti_Institute. I did this because they are not acceptable under the guidelines of:

• 1 no Original research,
• 2 keeping a neutral point of view,
• 3 being verifiable.

To explain my decision, i will take each photo in turn:

Image: Squat_home.jpg came with the text: Very often squatters block off windows to hide the fact that the building is occupied, they are also likely to not take their own garbage out, which tends to encourage insect and rodent infestations.

• no original research - altho the text for the photo could be said to refer to a point made in the article about squatters hiding out in so-called "back window squats" in the USA, it proceeds to propose its own theory about litter and vermin
• NPOV - very often, likely and tends are not neutral point of view
• verifiable - there is no mention of where the squat is/was, or even if it really was a squat

Image: Squat_bed.jpgcame with the text: This is a squatter’s bedroom. Many squatters have drug or alcohol problems and also may be suffering from mental illness, which in part explains living conditions like this

• no original research - again the photo proposes its own theory, rather than illustrating a point made in the article
• NPOV - the whole text is not NPOV!
• verifiable - where is the bedroom? proof of alcohol/drug problems? how do we know this is even a photo of a squat? saying it is "in america" is not enough

Moving forward, i can see that these images could be of use in this article, if illustrating a point made in it, if verified and if both the theory presented in the article and the labelling of the photo are NPOV. There are indeed squatters who leave a mess and have problems, just as there are renters and owners who leave a mess in their house and have mental health issues or drug problems. The article would certainly benefit from a well-researched addition on this theme. Mujinga 18:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

• Good job there! Boabbriggs 09:57, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Squatting in caves and abandoned mines?

Has anyone heard of people doing this? It was apparantly fairly common in areas of the Appalatchians during the Civil War and Great Depression, and rumour has it that small communities are living in some of the old mines to this very day. I could imagine people staying in them for short periods of time, but staying down there for very long seems to me like a good way to get yourself killed. 170.215.105.201 06:26, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

There are people squatting in the caves of the Alhambra in Spain and I have seen homeless people sleeping in caves in the parks in and around Prague, in the Czech Republic. The award-winning film Dark Days is a documentary about people living beside the metro tunnels in New York, in the USA. I imagine there are many other places worldwide where people squat unused underground structures either natural or man-made. It wouldn't necessarily be a dangerous thing to do. Mujinga 14:53, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I imagine subways and and caves are much more sturdy than abandoned mines (some of which are over a hundred years old). I also imagine that odds of running into wild dogs, coyotes, or rattlesnakes is also lower in the urban areas of New York or Europe.

74.36.192.6 02:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

removed links

im removing external links from the page as there are too many, but i thought i would leave them here in case they are still interesting for someone:

• Selfmanaged Social Centers

- its already on the social centre page

• http://boligaksjonen.copyleft.no/ - doesn't work#
• PI CA SSO - SSO CA PI - Ssocapi Squat - Paris, 1998
• Pop-Temple Hamburg - not even sure if this one is a squat

Mujinga 03:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

i trimmed the notable squats list ... but i also archived the old version here Mujinga 03:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

developing this page

i would like to add more information to this page, particularly about squatting in poorer countries. i would also like to break up the list of notable squats becuase the redlinks are quite ugly. if anyone wants to help fill in the gaps in my knowledge, you are welcome! Mujinga 00:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

i think it is good to break the sections up by continent, with a paragraph describing the local situation and then a subsection to discuss countries individually, if necessary. the notable squats could then be incorporated by country. i will be adding more stuff over the next few days, it will take a while because i want to make it all well-referenced.Mujinga 16:49, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Squatts, shanty towns & South America

I removed the section on shanty towns in South America (favelas, villas miseria, etc.) These are not squatt: they are not illegal occupation of land or building, but informal buildings (i.e. shanty towns). This is not the same thing. They are squatts in South America (see fabricas recuperadas in Argentina), but shanty towns are another thing alltogether. Tazmaniacs

Not so. As the introduction states - "Squatting is the act of occupying an abandoned or unoccupied space or building that the squatter does not own, rent or otherwise have permission to use". Under this criteria, shanty towns are clearly squatted terrains. I havce reverted your edit. If you do not agree, please let's discuss it here. Cheers! Mujinga 19:14, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

But one may perfectly own his house in a shanty town. This is probably a limit case, and I agree that my distinction may be a bit too strict. However, I am used to a definition of shanty town rather in the sense that it is a space deprived of public services. For instance, this article cited the favela da Rocinha, one of the largest, and best known, favela of Rio. It is perfectly legal! And its inhabitants owned their houses, as far as I know. Morros, where the favelas are located, were occupied in the beginning of the century (at least), and where not, at that time, formally owned. But then, what was "formally owned" then? Rules weren't so strict (although this certainly does not mean they're weren't any). In any cases, in Brasil as in lots of other Latin American countries, many of these shanty towns have been legalized in all points. The only thing which continues to make them such sites is their poor, if not inexistent, access to public services (electricity, water, school, police, etc.). This should at least be said in the article, if this part is to remain, don't you think? Tazmaniacs

Squatting in the Philippines

You should add it. Squatters are prolific and are unregulated. And they multiply exponentially. -122.52.22.204 14:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Can you provide a source? Murderbike 19:08, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Okupas?

There is no K in the Spanish language so how can the word 'okupas' possibly be the Spanish word used for squatters? True, ocupar is the verb 'to occupy' but I think some more research or at least a citation is needed to verify this word which I've certainly never come across148.197.5.20 15:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem. The K is used as a deliberate act of protest, as per this from Cambridge University Press

The word <OKUPACIóN> (<Ocupación> in standard Spanish orthography) here means that the building has been subject to ‘occupation’, that is squatted. Again, a <k> functions as a symbol of ‘otherness’, of resistance to convention; but in this case, arguably, not just to orthographic conventions, but to social conventions more generally. According to Castilla (1997), a journalist writing in the newspaper El País, ‘in the last decade [<k>] has turned itself into the favourite letter of okupas [‘occupations’], war resisters, bakalaeros [adherents of a type of techno music..]

The Okupas article I've been meaning to write (...) is the proper place for this kind of citation, though; not sure it's needed here. Hope this clears up the confusion, anyway. --mikaul^talk 19:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

New York suatting group in South Bronx

A squatting group (or atleast a group that began as one) was Banana Kelly, based in the South Bronx. See this page for info

Include in the article. Thanks.

KVDP (talk) 07:49, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

developing this page

Much of the material on 3rd world squatters settlements could go into the entry on Shanty Towns, which needs further development. Just leave some basic information in this entry and reference the other. That would leave most of this one one central-city squatting in older cities. Michael E. Smith (talk) 22:15, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

A question.

Regarding Netherlands, first we have:

The only illegal aspect would be forcing an entry, if that was necessary.

Then:

The police check whether the place is indeed lived in by the squatter — in legal terms this means there must be a bed, a chair, a table and a working lock in the door which the squatter can open and close.

If a person wants to occupy a place legally, he has to change the lock on the door, so he can lock/unlock it. (If he has gotten a key from the owner, it wouldn't be squatting, now, would it...) Isn't it just possible to break the lock in the first place, while entering the place for the first time, and then replacing it, thus making an illegal entry legal?

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Anon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.94.122.38 (talk) 12:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I have had the same doubt when I have read it --PabloCastellano (talk) 16:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Then both of you are missing the difference between breaking a lock from the outside and changing the lock from the inside. Mujinga (talk) 19:27, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

computer centre in a squat?

So if squats rarely have infrastructure like electricity, running water, how can they also be said to house cafes, pirate radio stations or public computer centres? Does stealing electricity from a passing cable pose significant additional legal problems, say an excuse for the police to evict them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aryah (talk • contribs) 19:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Where do you get the idea that squats do not have utilities? Whenever I squatted a house in London several years ago I had water, gas and electricity connected within the first hour and had recorded meter readings to provide to the utility companies. Having recorded these readings was considered proof that no intention to defraud existed. I also worked in and helped run a squatted café that had full and legal utilities and (eventually) health dept. certification, and other local squats were used as shops, music venues and artists' studios.

Your presumption that squatters are more inclined to steal electricity is not proven. I could also point out that in my experience police were known to "manufacture" damage, such as breaking windows, in order to expedite claims of criminal damage against the squatters, but again that would be anecdotal and not worthy of inclusion here. Fanx (talk) 19:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Whoa, no I have no opinion or idea, was simply reading the article here, _it_ states: "In many of the world's poorer countries, there are extensive slums or shanty towns, typically built on the edges of major cities and consisting almost entirely of self-constructed housing built without the landowner's permission. While these settlements may, in time, grow to become both legalised and indistinguishable from normal residential neighbourhoods, they start off as squats with minimal basic infrastructure. Thus, there is no sewage system, drinking water must be bought from vendors or carried from a nearby tap, and if there is electricity, it is stolen from a passing cable." I guess by your comment this is only true for the shanty towns etc. I just misunderstood 'Thus' in the paragraph to imply that the fact they are squats is a reason such shanty towns have no utilities etc Aryah (talk) 03:41, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Squatting banned in The Netherlands

Please update this article to include the Squatting ban that was passed by the Dutch senate on jun 1st 2010. This new law makes squatting punishable for up to 2 years and 8 months. If you can read dutch, there are a great many sources available on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.31.232.166 (talk) 09:49, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

This article needs renaming.

I am currently preparing an article on the squatting position (see User:Penbat/squatting position). If you look at any dictionary definition of squatting it starts by describing squatting as a crouching position. Only later will it mention squatting on land or property - presumably the word "squatting" in that sense has a metaphorical meaning. I think i am entitled to call my article "squatting" and this one needs renaming to something like "squatting (land)". There would of course be a link at the top of "squatting" to "squatting (land)" so readers would know where to go if they really wanted the land or property sense of the word.--Penbat (talk) 14:42, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

See WP:PRIMARYTOPIC; it's not clear that yours is. Skomorokh 14:51, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Seems self evident to me that the crouching position is the primary meaning and the occupation of land is the secondary meaning. I think it is up to you to make the case to the contrary. The ball is in your court.--Penbat (talk) 16:04, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I give up for practical reasons. There are over 1000 Wikilinks to here and I will probably not get 100 Wikilinks to mine. I would hate to be the person who had to rename over 1000 Wikilinks. --Penbat (talk) 20:35, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

What you are referring to may be the primary dictionary definition, but wikipedia is not a dictionary. I think it is beyond credible doubt that the property issue is the primary meaning for encyclopaedic purposes. And for that matter, the dictionary definition would be at squat, not squatting. Mowsbury (talk) 04:54, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

WHY were squatters given legal rights? Especially in the UK

To me, squatters are simply thieves. They should have no more rights than other thieves. Any they have now should be abolished immediately, and they should all be arrested. I believe this is a pretty mainstream opinion among English small-c conservatives, and I have lived among such people all my life. It is consistent with the respect for property rights that has been a characteristic of English society for hundreds of years. So how on earth did squatters acquire their "rights"!? What made some members of the English ruling class create "rights" that are apparently so at odds with the rest of English legal and social history? When did it happen? And why has no one reversed this outrage? [Though I'm pleased to see a few baby steps have been taken towards the eradication of this plague recently.] The article should answer these questions, but it doesn't. Mowsbury (talk) 05:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Archive 1

If you care to look at the top of this page, it says "This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject". Mujinga (talk) 00:56, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Unbalanced / Dutch ban

Point of view is disputed. // "Police initiated a horse charge after blocking a protest." Reason for blocking the protest is not given. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.249.145.206 (talk) 07:52, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

New WikiProject for squatting

I've just started WikiProject Squatting to address our coverage of squatting topics. Please do join if you're interested. — Hex (❝?!❞) 11:49, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Why is there no mention of squatters on Palestine's land?

The so-called "settlers" are living illegally on Palestinian land (what is labelled the "occupied territories") without having purchased the land or obtained it through legal means. It is the exact same thing done to farms in Zimbabwe, the violent eviction of legitimate land owners by squatters, and a corrupt government not just refusing to remove them, but encouraging more squatters to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.248.187.2 (talk) 18:18, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Because Wikipedia isn't the place for spewing anti-Israel hysteria? 87.34.21.187 (talk) 10:25, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Update

I'm going to update this page and remove some of the trash that's blown in. Please join in or make suggestions if you are passing. At the very least i aim to get rid of the weasel word template.Mujinga (talk) 14:54, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

adding things which need work to the to-do box above Mujinga (talk) 15:19, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

removing the "unbalanced" template from the Dutch section after tidying Mujinga (talk) 15:35, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

removing weasel templateMujinga (talk) 17:02, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

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{{Refexample|section|date=November 2018}} A squat in Viladecans (Barcelona) A squat in Zagreb The Chien Rouge in Lausanne, a squat held in the old hospital Krzyk, a squat in Gliwice A long-vacant property in Oxford, once occupied by squatters when owned by University College Country Notable Squats Austria Ernst-Kirchweger-Haus (EKH), Vienna Brazil Prestes Maia, São Paulo Canada Frances Street Squats, Vancouver North Star Hotel, Vancouver Colombia Centro Social Libertatia, Bogotá (in struggle) Croatia Karlo Rojc, Pula Czech Republic Squat Milada, Prague (evicted in 2009) Denmark Freetown Christiania, Copenhagen Ungdomshuset, Copenhagen Estonia Anna Haava, Tartu France 40-44, avenue Jean-Moulin, Paris (evicted the 20th of March 1981) 102, Grenoble 59 Rivoli, Paris Art-Cloche, Paris (evicted the 27th of June 1988) CAES, Ris-Orangis La Clinique, Montreuil (evicted the 8th of July 2009) Espace autogéré des Tanneries, Dijon Hôpital éphémère, Paris (evicted in 1995) Le Château Pirate, Paris (evicted the 1st of June 2011) Les Frigos, Paris La Miroiterie, Paris Le Point G, Paris La Pelle-Tueuse, Grenoble (evicted the 3rd of June 2010) Le Pigeonnier, Nice Le Théâtre de Verre, Paris Maison Commune Autogérée, Groix Germany Anatopia, Papenburg Au, Frankfurt Brunnenstraße183, Berlin (evicted the 24th of November 2009) Rigaer94, Berlin Hafenstraße, Hamburg Rote Flora, Hamburg Topf and Sons factory, Erfurt Kunsthaus Tacheles, Berlin Greece Fabrika Yfanet, Thessaloniki Villa Amalia, Athens Matsagou, Volos Rosa Nera, Chania Antiviosi, Ioannina Villa Zografou (Zografou, Athens) Mundo Nuevo (Thessaloniki) Orfanotrofeio (Ano Toumpa, Thessaloniki) 111 (Thessaloniki) Steki stin Iatriki(Thessaloniki) Αυτοδιαχειριζόμενο Κυλικείο Ιατρικής -Α.Κ.Ι (Thessaloniki) Terra incognita (Thessaloniki) Steki sto viologiko (Thessaloniki) Italy Lsoa Buridda, Genova Csoa Terra di Nessuno, Genova CS Leoncavallo, Milan Officina 99, Naples Bussana Vecchia, Liguria Social centers category on Italian Wikipedia Lithuania Užupis, Vilnius Moldova Centro 73, Chişinău (evicted in December 2010) Mozambique Grande Hotel Beira, Beira Netherlands ASCII, Amsterdam OCCII, Amsterdam OT301, Amsterdam Vrankrijk, Amsterdam Ruigoord, Amsterdam Huize Spoorloos, Emmen HCZ, Eindhoven De Blauwe Aanslag, The Hague Doornroosje, Nijmegen Extrapool, Nijmegen Fort Pannerden, Pannerden Poortgebouw, Rotterdam Het Slaakhuis, Rotterdam ACU, Utrecht Norway Blitz, Oslo Hausmania, Oslo 40, Oslo Philippines Smokey Mountain, Manila Poland Rozbrat, Poznań Warsztat, Poznań Krzyk, Gliwice Elektromadonna, Częstochowa Centrum Reanimacji Kultury, Wrocław Wagenburg Breslau, Wrocław Era Kromera, Wrocław DeCentrum, Białystok Przychodnia, Warszawa Elba, Warszawa Berza, Ruda Śląska Romania Carol 53, Bucharest Russia Pushkinskaya 10, St. Petersburg Nevsky 25, St. Petersburg Club НЧ/ВЧ, St. Petersburg Slovenia Sokolski dom, Novo Mesto (former cultural centre) Metelkova, Ljubljana (claimed free state in former army garrison) Tovarna Rog, Ljubljana (abandoned bike factory) Slovakia Palac Sofia, Zilina South Africa Kennedy Road, Durban Joe Slovo Informal Settlement, Cape Town Symphony Way Pavement Dwellers, Cape Town Spain Can Masdeu, Barcelona Can Vies, Barcelona Eskalera Karakola, Madrid Patio Maravillas, Madrid La Casika, Móstoles, Madrid Gasteizko Gaztetxea, Vitoria-Gasteiz Switzerland Binz occupation, Zurich RHINO, Geneva Kulturzentrum Reithalle, Bern CSOA il Molino, Lugano United Kingdom 491 Gallery (opened 2001), London. Argyle Street, Norwich Bank of Ideas, London. Bonnington Square, London. Centro Iberico, London. Eel Pie Island Commune (opened 1969, burned down 1971), London. Frestonia, London. Invisible Circus, Bristol Kew Bridge Ecovillage (opened 2009, evicted 2010), London. Medina House, Brighton. M11 link road protest, London. Newbury Bypass Occupy London RampART Social Centre (opened 2004, evicted 2009), London. Spike Surplus Scheme (opened 1998, evicted 2009), London. St Agnes Place (opened 1969, evicted 2005), London. Titnore Wood near Worthing. United States 92 Bird Avenue, Buffalo, NY ABC No Rio, New York City C-Squat, New York City Dos Blockos, New York City Hotmess/RCA, Oakland, California People's Park, Berkeley Slab City, Niland, CA Zzyzx Mineral Springs and Health Spa Venezuela Centro Financiero Confinanzas (a squatted skyscraper)

Removing this list per its maintenance tag. Even with the majority of the entries removed (redlinks or not notable), category:squats better organizes this group than this list can. It might make sense to describe some of these squats in the prose, where appropriate, but that would require sourcing that explains the significance of each squat, not just verification of its existence. (not watching, please {{ping}}) czar 16:31, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Is there anywhere on Wikipedia where political squatting is further explored

I've been finding a lot of great sources on pre-figuring squats, refugee/migrant solidarity, theoretical analyses of squatting as a political act, and more and can't seem to find a clear home for this information. I am considering building out Refugee crisis#Political Responses but it really seems like that information belongs somewhere attached to squatting. Thoughts? A symmetrics (talk) 06:48, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

sounds interesting but also quite vague, maybe give some specific examples? maybe it's good to add info to particular projects? cheers! Mujinga (talk) 18:56, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Well-known squatters

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{{Refexample|section|date=November 2018}} Nicholas Albery was a minister in the squatted free state of Frestonia. Tony Allen (comedian) Bommi Baumann squatted in Berlin Richard Branson English entrepreneur Chumbawamba the band was squatting in Leeds Crass anarcho-punks Alice Glass, former frontwoman of the electronic band Crystal Castles, lived in a squat community as a runaway teen. Bad Brains members including drummer Earl Hudson and guitarist Dr. Know lived in New York City squats in the 1980s. Steve Bassam, now Lord Bassam of Brighton, squatted in Brighton in his youth in the 1970s. Jimmy Cauty of The KLF Boy George lived in various squats around Warren Street in Central London. Comedians Harry Enfield, Charlie Higson and Paul Whitehouse all squatted in Hackney in east London in the 1980s. Piers Corbyn, weather forecaster, was active in the squatters movement in the 1970s in London. He and all the other squatters of Elgin Avenue were rehoused by the Greater London Council. Cro-Mags members including frontman John Joseph and Harley Flanagan lived in squats in New York City. Rosario Dawson, actress, was raised in an abandoned tenement in Manhattan's Lower East Side renovated by her mother and stepfather. Jack Dromey - in 1973 he took a leading role in planning the occupation of Centre Point Black Donnellys, James Donnelly squatted on a portion the Roman Line in Middlesex County, Ontario. Harry Hallowes hermit Clifford Harper, illustrator, lived in squats across London, including Eel Pie Island in the 1970s. Robert Harrill, known as "The Fort Fisher Hermit", set up a simple home in an abandoned World War II era bunker near the Cape Fear River, NC, along a salt marsh. Wally Hope, visionary and free thinker. Joep van Lieshout, Dutch artist Angela Merkel, German politician Amedeo Modigliani squatted at the Le Bateau-Lavoir Olive Morris squatter, feminist, black nationalist. William Orbit squatted in Norwich and across Europe, before living for a time at Centro Iberico. Grayson Perry contemporary artist Pablo Picasso squatted at the Le Bateau-Lavoir Genesis P-Orridge, artist and musician, lived in squats in Hackney and performed in squats such as Centro Iberico with Throbbing Gristle. Jim Radford, folk singer, peace campaigner and Direct Action organiser was a leading figure, along with Ron Bailey, in the formation of several Family Squatting Associations in London in the 1960s and early 1970s. David Rappaport, actor, was Foreign Minister of the squatted free state of Frestonia. Randy Quaid, arrested in 2010 for squatting in a home he had previously owned Sade squatted in Wood Green, North London, in the 1980s. Spiral Tribe sound system Curtis Howe Springer, found guilty of the charge of squatting on federal land Richard Stallman, American software freedom activist, hacker, and software developer, called himself a squatter on campus. Robert Louis Stevenson, Scottish novelist, poet, essayist and travel writer Joe Strummer, the co-founder, lyricist, rhythm guitarist and lead singer of the English punk rock band The Clash Monckton Synnot, prominent squatter in Victoria, Australia Stza, fronted several skacore bands in the New York City area, the best known being Choking Victim and Leftöver Crack Sid Vicious, English musician best known as the former bassist of the influential punk rock group Sex Pistols Heathcote Williams, poet and playwright, was ambassador to Great Britain for the squatted free state of Frestonia. Gerrard Winstanley, English Protestant religious reformer and political activist during the Protectorate of Oliver Cromwell Christian Wolmar - journalist and railway historian S'bu Zikode, elected head of the South African shackdwellers' movement Abahlali baseMjondolo References

Removing this section, as tagged, since it reads as trivia. If individual squatters are noteworthy for their squatting, we should be mention them in context in the article, or just simply categorize them under Category:Squatters. (not watching, please {{ping}}) czar 16:12, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

well i don't disagree with the action but you could have bothered to add the squatters with their own wikipedia pages to the new category otherwise other people's work gets trashed Mujinga (talk) 02:48, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm about halfway through adding the squatters category to pages where squatter are mentoned, a time consuming process which was only necessitated by the rmoval of this section after a template was added THREE days before the deletion by an unregistered user. So actually I do disagree with the way the action was carried out. Nevertheless i can see the use of a category instead of a list, but the way this was done stinks.Particularly since i was adding referenced people just one month before.Mujinga (talk) 11:22, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

WP:SQUAT

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Squatting is a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to squatting. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. Everyone is welcome, from beginner to experienced editor. Feel free to pass by with suggestions. Let's get it going again! Mujinga (talk) 18:30, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Israeli settlements

An IP has been trying to remove these settlements from the article, saying this is a political and not a civil matter. I am leaning towards accepting this viewpoint, the settlements do not appear to match the description in the lede of the article. I would like to see a sourced reference that labels Israeli settlers as "squatters" - something other than from an opinion piece. Has any newspaper called them such? Ifnord (talk) 15:59, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi thanks for opening the disucssion. So let's take the definition of squatting as mentioned currently in the lead of the article: Squatting is the action of occupying an abandoned or unoccupied area of land or a building, usually residential, that the squatter does not own, rent or otherwise have lawful permission to use. The section under debate has four references: The first one has a useful quote given, saying "The international community has taken a critical view of both deportations and settlements as being contrary to international law" (Roberts, Adam (1990). "Prolonged Military Occupation: The Israeli-Occupied Territories Since 1967". The American Journal of International Law. American Society of International Law. 84 (1): 85–86. doi:10.2307/2203016); The second has a quote saying "the establishment of the Israeli settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territory has been considered illegal by the international community and by the majority of legal scholars" (Pertile, Marco (2005). "'Legal Consequences of the Construction of a Wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory': A Missed Opportunity for International Humanitarian Law?". In Conforti, Benedetto; Bravo, Luigi (eds.). The Italian Yearbook of International Law. 14. Martinus Nijhoff Publishers. p. 141. ISBN 978-90-04-15027-0). The third reference is entitled "Settlers evacuate disputed Hebron building after squatting for 8 months" and the fourth is "Hague prosecutor issues war crime warning on Bedouin village demolition". To me it's clear that the references back the inclusion of this section in the article about squatting, because they are discussing occupation of land and buildings regarded by the international community generally as illegal. Further, in the specific matter of the Hebron building it is explicitly named squatting in the Times of Israel). Happy to discuss further. Mujinga (talk) 16:11, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

The Times of Israel is the exact, sourced reference that I was looking for. Thank-you for pointing it out. It appears obvious now that these qualify as squats, at least in some areas/situations. Ifnord (talk) 16:44, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Historical Squatting

The current focus of this article is on modern day squatting (ie, modern day occupation of abandoned buildings etc. Squatting, however, has a longer history than that, and in that context usually refers to taking up residence on unoccupied and un-owned land on the American frontier. As an example, the Big_Bottom_massacre article refers to "A group of about thirty-six [Ohio] Company settlers had gone upriver from Marietta, squatting east of the Muskingum on land where the Company did not hold title."

It would be helpful if the present article were expanded to cover this type of historical squatting. TwelveGreat (talk) 14:17, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi yes I agree "historical squatting" should also be covered in more detail for sure. However, this page is already 100k and needs to be the overview of the global phenomenon which then links to other pages. For example regarding Australia, it links to Squatting in Australia which covers modern day squatting and to Squatting (Australian history) which covers settler colonialism. As regards the US, there already is Squatting in the United States which currently covers historical and modern squatting. So mention of Big Bottom massacre would prob fit best there. Cheers, Mujinga (talk) 20:42, 12 June 2020 (UTC)