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Jacob Marley

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Marley's Ghost by John Leech, 1843

• ... that the ghost of Jacob Marley was the first of four Spirits to visit Ebenezer Scrooge in a single evening in A Christmas Carol? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

• ALT1 ... that the ghost of Jacob Marley was one of four Spirits to visit Ebenezer Scrooge in Dickens's 1843 novella A Christmas Carol?
• ALT2 ... that according to Dickens's 1843 novella A Christmas Carol, Jacob Marley was as "dead as a door-nail", an expression that was first recorded as "ded as a dore-nayl" in 1362?

Created/expanded by Jack1956 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:43, 13 December 2020 (UTC).

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sara Leland

• Perhaps hold the article for 25 December?  :*

• This is a drive-by comment, but as the hook is about a fictional plot point and DYK rules require that hooks about fiction involve the real world in some way, a new hook will need to be proposed. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:08, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

I have written another hook (ALT1) that includes the author's name and year of publication which I hope is acceptable in rooting it in the real world. Jack1956 (talk) 20:12, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

I've suggested an ALT2 hook. MichaelMaggs (talk) 22:05, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

I am perfectly happy with ALT2 as a hook. Jack1956 (talk) 22:17, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

I like ALT2. I should mention, however, that I was Jacob Marley in a play when I was a child, so I may perhaps have a conflict of interest. 2604:2000:E010:1100:7462:CB4D:B27A:20DE (talk) 09:21, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

MichaelMaggs (talk) 09:33, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

• I added a tight crop of the image. But I don't think ALT2 is the best lead hook for a Christmas appearance. I looked at the article to try to find a better hook, but there isn't a lot of description about the development of the character. All the possible inspirations are just speculation. Yoninah (talk) 12:33, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

As I wrote it for the front page for Christmas Day I guess we must revert to ALT1 for the hook? Jack1956 (talk) 20:39, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Given that ALT1 is, in the end, still plot-related, it doesn't sound suitable. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:59, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. Admittedly the 'real world' part of ALT2 is not in itself Christmassy, but there isn't anything in the article that would support such a hook. This still works as a Christmas DYK, though (either for Christmas Eve or Christmas Day) simply because of the book's title. MichaelMaggs (talk) 12:25, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't know where else to go with this DYK nomination and guess I will have to withdraw it. Jack1956 (talk) 20:06, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

• ALT3 ... that after a visit to a ragged school Charles Dickens wrote A Christmas Carol (1843) in which he uses the ghost of Jacob Marley as a mouthpiece for his own views on social responsibilty? Jack1956 (talk) 20:13, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

• Thank you, Jack1956, that's much better. But you have a whole Notable portrayals section that is unsourced. Yoninah (talk) 20:17, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Sources added to notable portrayal list. Jack1956 (talk) 22:36, 16 December 2020 (UTC)