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Ennodius

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This brief and awkward article (created by a now-banned user) is about a man who was serving as governor of the Roman province of Africa in AD 395. The content consists almost entirely of speculation on genealogy, and the sole author cited as a source does not seem to meet WP:RS standards. Prosopography of the Later Roman Empire (page 278: ennoivs proconsul Africae 395), a RS, gives nothing on this person aside from his existence being recorded in official documents. Fails WP:NOTABILITY and WP:NOTGENEALOGY. Avilich (talk) 00:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. ^{Engr. Smitty Werben} 02:53, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. ^{Engr. Smitty Werben} 02:53, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. ^{Engr. Smitty Werben} 02:54, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. ^{Engr. Smitty Werben} 02:54, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. WP:Notability does state that governors by virtue of their position are inherently notable. However, this seems to have WP:RS issues and should be deleted unless someone can come up with a more thorough and sourced article. ~RAM (talk) 05:41, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Delete WP:TNT Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:04, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Keep or merge into another suitable article. As governor of Africa, he clearly meets the criteria for notability, even if very little is known of him apart from his (possible) relationships to other notable persons. He might be merged into another article, perhaps about Roman governors of Africa, but only if most or all of the data here is suitable for inclusion there. The arguments about the sourcing given above are misdirected. Settipani is a source of uncertain value, because his work is difficult to obtain and review, and it has received relatively little peer review due to its density—but there is no direct evidence that his conclusions are unreliable, provided that they're accurately described when cited. And to dispute that, we'd need to see what Settipani says—we can't demand that the article's author prove that the source says what it's claimed to say, or else delete it. That's not what verifiability means, and verifiability is not determined by whether a source is available online, in English, or conveniently. But even if you delete Settipani, that wouldn't make the subject non-notable or the details unverifiable. Due diligence would require us to make a reasonable search for sources before concluding that there are none—and it seems very improbable that there aren't some reliable sources other than Settipani—whatever you think of his methodology and conclusions, he didn't just invent governors of Africa for whom there was no evidence. WP:TNT is not policy, and clearly does not describe this article; this short and relatively succinct article is obviously not "hopelessly irreparable" simply because it could use additional details or more accessible sources. P Aculeius (talk) 14:40, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
• Comment -- He would be notable if we knew anything about him. However all we have here is genealogfical links to Magnus Felix Ennodius, which names two people called Ennodius as proconsuls of Africa. I believe that in many cases, we do not know the full succession of provincial governors. Perhaps merge/redirect to Magnus Felix Ennodius. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:10, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:03, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

• Reiterate support for deletion. We know nothing about this Ennodius aside from his name being mentioned in law codes from after his death (see the reference provided in the original post). We know nothing about his life, what he did as governor... nothing – just that he existed. The article only contains speculative genealogical trivia which, even if relevant, belongs in the article of his supposed descendant. I have no idea what this article should be merged into, as has been suggested above. As of now, we have virtually nothing on the subject, so WP:TNT can by all means apply here: nothing of much value will be lost. Avilich (talk) 19:27, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:NOTABILITY and WP:NOTGENEALOGY. @Avilich: Please add the ref to Prosopography of the Later Roman Empire here. T8612 (talk) 19:07, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Done. Avilich (talk) 19:15, 18 December 2020 (UTC)