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Cheras Did Not Speak Tamil, But an early form of Malayalam called Tamizh

The language spoken in Chera empire was an ancient form of Malayalam, called Tamizh. It is not Tamil language spoken in Pandia and Chola regions. Malayalam is classical.

If there is any proof that one of the earliest documents in Malayalam language is from 1200 years ago, it should have been produced in the court. Madras High Court has rejected such baseless claims.

Edit wars with ideologically motivated people are not fruitful. I am too young to do that. Can somebody please help clean up the article. Judgements from Indian judiciary and decisions by the Indian Union Cabinet should be given more weightage than random articles by someone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.248.141.21 (talk) 20:25, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

References

Scholarly books, not "judgements from Indian judiciary and decisions by the Indian Union Cabinet", are reliable sources by Wikipedia standards. Not to mention that the Madras High Court judgment cited by you doesn't even mention the Cheras. utcursch | talk 21:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Probably OP was just mentioning that Malayalam (hopefully I spelled it right) is old enough that the first documents where much older than 1200 years old.

I think that the argument by the OP is valid. Judgments from courts are to be considered valid. The judgments are done with all these arguments and evidences being taken into consideration. Wikipedia does not have any official policy stating that Indian judicial declarations are not scholarly. As a person who likes Indology, currently in USA, I can vouch for the fact that in my field (Sinology) considers court judgments valid.

谷歌翻译 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.226.235.112 (talk) 19:42, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Inscription by Manikantha Ramavarman the alleged writer of first book Ramacharitham the first book in Malayalam Travancore.

Archaeological Series Vol IV by K.V SUBRAHMANYA AIYAR, Superindent of Archaeoligy, Printed by Superindent at Govt Press,1923 Page 65

KANYAKUMARI INSCRIPTION REIGN OF MANIKANTHA RAMAVARMAN 1201 AD KOLLAM 376

Script : Tamil

Language: Western Tamil

1. സ്വസ്തി ஶ்ரீ கொல்லம் ௩௱௭௰௬(376)-வது மெடநாயிற்று ௨௰௧(201) சென்ற சனியாண்ட மகத்தி

2. நாள் ஶ்ரீபாண்டி நாட்டுப்புறத்தாய நாடான தென்வாரணவாசி நன்னாட்டு குமரிக்கன்னியாபகவதியார் கொ

3. யிலில் உள்ளாலை ഗര്ഭഗ്രஹத்துக்கு ചന്ദ്രാദിത്യவற் திருநந்தாவிளக்கு செலுத்துவிதாக குரக்கேணிக்கொல்லத்

4. து வியாபாரி மணியன் கொவிந்தன் பக்கல் பொருள் கைய்க்கொண்டு குமரிக் கன்னியாபகவதியார் ஶ்ரீகொயிலி[ல் உ

5. ண் ணாழிகையொம் நியதம் முட்டாமல் நாராயநாழிக்கிட உழக்குநெய் செலுத்துவது  நெய் வார்த்து எரிய இடதராவி

6. ல் மயில் விளக்கு எடை ..........பலம்   இவைய் தெவர் முதற்க ணக்குந் திருவரங்கநல்லூருடையான் எ

7. ழுத்தினால் இவ்வெழுத்து .......இவ்வூர்த் தட்டான் அப்பன் சுந்தரனான முப்பத்திருவத்தட்டான் எழுத்து 17:31, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Tajuddin

User:StephenPaa, we can discuss here.--79.75.58.80 (talk) 11:56, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Okay. StephenPaa (talk) 11:59, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

StephenPaa, why only Mohanlal, and not Mammoty? lool--79.75.58.80 (talk) 12:03, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

StephenPaa why are you calling them vandalism? So obsessed with this word?--79.75.49.15 (talk) 15:49, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Dubious and insufficient sources (such as Indian newspaper/magazine reports) cannot be used as a reference. Please show your points in a recent and well-respected primary scholarly material. Please quote from the primary source material, preferably written by a well-respected scholar, also.

StephenPaa (talk) 17:21, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

You've mentioned the same thing several times. Many of the sources are reliable, and we don't even need to add that much references on the lede. I think a 3rd person should be involved here.--79.75.49.15 (talk) 18:55, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Dubious and insufficient sources (such as Indian newspaper/magazine reports) cannot be used as a reference. Please show your points in a recent and well-respected primary scholarly material.

Please quote from the primary source material, preferably written by a well-respected scholar in this particular field, also.

StephenPaa (talk) 09:16, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

The Later Chera dynasty (800 AD to 1102 AD and Chera-Ay dynasty (1102 AD to 1314 AD) were Tamils. The Matriarchal dynasties which ruled between 1314 to 1947 were niot Tamils. They were Bana-Samantha from coastal Karnataka , Nairs and Nambuthiris who were migrants from Ahichatra ,ancient Nepal to Tulunad and of TuluNepalese ancestry

Tulu invader Banapperumal

In 1120 AD a Tulu invader called Banapperumal attacked Kerala with a 350000 strong Nair Army with Padamala Nair as commander. Banapperumal was the brother of Kavi rajasinghan (Kavi Alupendra 1110 AD to 1160 AD) of Alupa dynasty of Tulunad. Banapperumal established Valarpattinam near Kannur as his capital. Banapperumals son Udayavarman Kolathiri was crowned as the first Kolathiri ruler with the title Cheraman Vadakkum Perumal around 1156 AD. Kolathiri Kingdom was the first Matriarchal kingdom. Different Matruarchak Tulu clans such as Nayara, Menava, Kuruba, Samantha subgroups of Tulu Bunt community supported the Kolathiri kingdom. Nairs and Nambudiris, the Tuluva Brahmins brought from Ahichchhatra, capital of Ancient Nepal by Kadamba king Mayurasharma occupied northern Kerala in the 12th century. Vilmeenkodi (talk) 17:54, 14 April 2021 (UTC)