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No means No (Film) Discussion

Comment: @davidwr, @Drmies, @Donaldd23, @User:El cid, el campeador

1. Sir, I am shocked and disappointed to see that the Film/Movie of such a magnitude & high budget, was first put up for deletion and now shifted to draft, wherein there are innumerable independent articles in the Indian as well as International publications/media houses who are on the Wikipedia’s list of reliable sources, such as the article carried in “The Hindu” which is independent & in-depth article and is self explanatory & also covered in other international Media, whereas, the wikipedia page such as for the film “Madam Chief Minister” are still alive, inspite of having sources only from The Hindustan Times, Bollywood Hungama, The Times of India, which according my learned colleague @davidwr “The Times of India” are not under the list of reliable sources and otherwise all these three sources are not on the Wikipedia’s List of reliable sources, then how come the page of “Madam Chief Minister”’s page is still alive? Whereas these sources are there multiple times on the wikipedia page of “No means No”. This is my concern. Personally with all due respect, I have nothing against the article of the film “Madam Chief Minister”, but just referring it for comparison and knowledge, and one more question arises as to why the page of “No means No” is targeted?
2. Through the research and study of available & reliable sources in Wikipedia and others, the cast & crew such as
   1. Gulshan Grover, who is world renowned actor who has worked in more than 400 movies in Hollywood & Bollywood.
   2. Hariharan is a legendary Music Maestro and is conferred with the highest award and the title of “Padma Shri” by Government of India,
   3. Neetu Chandra is the winner of 2 national awards and is an actor working in both Hollywood & Bollywood,
   4. Shreya Ghoshal is a world renowned singer who has to her credit of 851 songs in Hindi Language itself and also has her statue at the London Museum of Madam Tussad’s and in America, one day is dedicated to her by the governor of California, United States,
   5. Shiamak Davar is a world famous choreographer who is known for his works for the film “Mission Impossible” & “Ghost Busters” and winner of various Filmfare Awards,
   6. Sharad Kapoor who is also a nominee for Filmfare Award for his acting work.
   7. The Director Mr. Vikash Verma, who is also a world renowned security expert has been awarded by the Government of Bihar, India for his contribution to the Bollywood film Industry and the film “No means No”; Source: The telegraph, Hindustan Times, Movie Talkies, Mid-day.
3. The Film which is on women empowerment story, to strengthen the relationship of the two countries, is backed & supported by the Prime Minister of India Shri Narendra Modi & Prof. Piotr Glinski - Dy. Prime Minister of Poland, Indian Ambassador to Poland, Polish Member of Parliament Ms. Ms. Malgorzata Pepek, the President of Bielsko-biala, and also the tweet by the government of Poland. I'snt the tweet from the government of Poland reliable and credible? Source “The Hindu”
4. Recently G7 Films. Poland which is the production house, have been awarded with “The Best Trailer Award” by the Mid-day & Jagran Group, which is one of the oldest news publishing house according to Wikipedia. The production house have been backed by more than 250 articles starting from the year 2017, published on various Multi-lingual Indian as well as International News Media which are on the Wikipedia pages. The research also confirms that none of these articles are the press releases.
5. I come across new article everyday from the publications which have their own wikipedia pages, which I had been putting up on the discussion page on regular basis. And as you can see that what I am writing now is already been updated on the discussion pages with the supporting links attached, which had been ignored for the reasons best know to my colleague authors and as a beginner I would like to know and understand on the different approaches to two pages of same category. Even all these information is been updated on the page of “No means No".
6. According to my learned colleague @davidwr, the page can remain live if more articles on the news media are published and mentioned on the page, which I could find a in-depth and detailed article on “The Hindu”, which also satisfies the condition of being on the Wikipedia list of reliable sources. Plus also Lokmat & Bollywood Hungama, Box Office India, & Cineblitz articles had come in and updated on the “No means No” page.
7. As my learned colleague @Drmies had analysed the discussion page and reached a conclusion that the article is to be sent to draft, whereas when I go through the discussion page, the visible consensus that can be seen is of keeping the page alive. One more point, when at first the page was put up for deletion and after the necessary discussion and changes, the page was allowed to keep alive. It’s difficult to understand that once the discussion was closed and then the article was kept alive, why is the page again brought up for deletion and then moved to draft, even though there were no changes made to the article.
8. I will update the below list of published articles on daily basis
   1. 5th February, 2021
      1. News Article on ANI News
      2. News Article on The Times of India
      3. News Article onThe Hindustan Times
      4. Tweet from the Government of Poland
   2. 8th February, 2021
      1. Listing on The Tribute
   3. 9th February, 2021
      1. No Mean No on Rotten Tomatoes Listing
9. Aren't the in-depth independent article published in the reliable sources not worthy of having this page live?

I was feeling proud by editing this page of such a great film, My whole effort has gone in vain and today, I feel emotionally hurt & disappointed having to face this situation and such humiliation, even after following all the guidelines and rules of Wikipedia. And fail to understand why there are two different measure sticks taken?

My humble request to you all of my colleagues, please reply so that I can get educated and guide me if I am wrong in of the inferences as derived in my above writeup. I am feeling discouraged to be actively participating in Wikipedia.

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Archiedesai (talk) 07:36, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

You aren't the first editor to be frustrated by Wikipedia's rules

I had multiple pages that I created deleted in my first year, both under this account and under another long-abandoned account. It was very frustrating. More than a decade later though, I appreciate why my work was deleted: I was either writing about non-notable topics or my writing was so "not the Wikipedia way of writing" that it was better to start over from scratch.

Your draft is actually in a much better position than my early, deleted works: It is about a topic that is almost certain to qualify for an article by early April. It might already qualify but it's in that "subjective grey area" where rejection is more likely than acceptance at this time. Since a discussion just ended, it would be "in bad form" and likely "backfire" on you if you attempted to have the results of that discussion overturned either through deletion review or by immediately re-submitting the draft without waiting for the film's notability to increase to the point that its notability will not be questioned.

Be patient and you will very likely be able to celebrate the page's move to the main encyclopedia in a couple of months. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 15:24, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

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Blocked for sockpuppetry

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for abusing multiple accounts per the evidence presented at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Archiedesai. Note that multiple accounts are allowed, but not for illegitimate reasons, and any contributions made while evading blocks or bans may be reverted or deleted.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  GeneralNotability (talk) 02:23, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

This user is asking that his block be reviewed:

Archiedesai (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

REVISED APPEAL - I am hereby appealing for getting my ID unblocked, as after being an user on Wikipedia since last 11 years with clean track record. And I am thoroughly aware of the discipline and practices to be followed on making Wikipedia a a global phenomenon as I am a qualified engineer and Wikipedia is not only my hobby but passion to have it to its best. I have been on Wikipedia since such a long period and have never tried or have made any monetary gain out of it. As you see on the records, have never involved in making a bio-page for anybody where there is a maximum possibility of having monetary gain.

1. As per the allegation of sock-puppetry, the users User:SmartSameer Patil, User:01lt, User:Ashitamlk, are never in my control domain, and they would be individuals with whom I have no connection whatsoever. And me being on Wikipedia for such a long time, I am aware of the fact that if I need to recommend a page to stay, I need to explain with citation for the reason for which the page need to stay. As being the case of User:SmartSameer Patil's comment for keep, there is nothing of that sort and if he were my sock puppet, I would have been mature enough to have guided him to do it properly with citations, which is not the case. So if in case there is anything that shows up as possible sock puppetry. Its mere coincidence and not an intent for sure. As also was mentioned by the USER:DEB that there is no sockpuppetery in my case.
2. I don’t know Mr. Vikash Verma personally and hence there is no conflict of interest, but as he is found everywhere in news in India and have been following him since last 20 years. He had been doing a good diplomatic work in bringing the two countries together. But that doesn’t mean that I am his promoter. And unbiased honest feeling that he is worth a place on Wikipedia, as he has worked for the President of the United States of India’s security cover, and making movies such as No means No & The Good Maharaja, to strength bilateral relations between the two countries.

Moreover, There are people in my country, state and also within the organisation who can be enemies, which is also a possibility for such a situation and jeopardise the whole purpose of Wikipedia. If there is suspicion about me being connected to Vikash Verma, I will completely refrain myself from editing or adding any information on his page, and I indemnify for that.

I have more of an interest in science & technology, Entertainment World and current affairs(India as well as worldwide) and will stick to editing or adding information in these areas. I do understand that I had been blocked for a reason, which was not done by me but yet I promise that I will take this situation very seriously.

However, I assure and confirm that I will be more cautious and alert so that such type of situation doesn’t arise. I promise to abide by all the rules and discipline defined by the Wikipedia community. Request the moderators and administrators to consider my case and unblock my USERID. Warm Regards.. Archiedesai (talk) 07:05, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

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Advice

Archiedesai Although I'm prepared to believe you may be the victim of circumstances rather than having an ulterior motive, you should understand that an appeal which singles out other editors for criticism is not likely to be looked on favourably. Although you have had an ID for a long time, you have made very few edits, and that in itself does not look good. If you want the appeal to be successful, you need to show that you understand where you went wrong, and I think you would also need to guarantee not to edit any articles relating to Vikash Verma in the future. I can't promise that you would then be unblocked, but I am quite certain that you won't be unblocked if you word your appeal in this aggressive way. Deb (talk) 13:34, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your advice, and I will definitely review my appeal if its sounding aggressive, but definitely and honestly, its not meant to aggressive. I will surely refrain from editing or commenting on the page Vikash Verma, as adviced.. Archiedesai (talk) 14:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I have revised the appeal after taking your advice into consideration and just stayed focussed on the problem and correcting myself. Archiedesai (talk) 07:07, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I received your message. I would suggest you just add to your appeal an explanation of what articles/what kind of articles you plan to edit in future if unblocked, and also which articles you will avoid editing. It's important that you show that you understand why you were blocked. I won't review this myself but, if you make some improvements, I will ask an uninvolved admin to look at it again. Deb (talk) 07:27, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your kind support and advice and I have edited my appeal accordingly.. Warm regards. ~~~ Archiedesai (talk) 08:57, 16 June 2021 (UTC)