Talk:The Last Time (Taylor Swift song)/GA1

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Reviewer: Sebbirrrr (talk · contribs) 21:16, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Picking this up for a review!

Infobox and lead

• Remove the short description, start date and duration templates as they're all redundant

• Per the guide at {{Infobox song}} using the {{start date}} template is desirable; I believe the template also creates consistent data on Wikidata and Wikipedia of other languages. But I do believe that {{Duration}} is redundant. Ippantekina (talk) 02:22, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Startdate is fine to use then. The short description one however is not needed as it is generated by the infobox. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

     Done Ippantekina (talk) 02:13, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

• Don't think "of Snow Patrol" is necessary

• It's the official credit printed on the CD's notes. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Alright. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

• "taken from Swift's" → "taken from the former's" to avoid repetition as the next sentence begins with Swift

•  Done

• "lattermost" → "latter"

• "latter" is used for two objects so "lattermost" is preferable imo. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Fine. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

• "Aiming to experiment with..." → this sentence is quite long, maybe try to split it?

•  Done

• For consistency, you should either have Nashville or Nashville, Tennessee here and in the body
• "the refrain" → "the chorus"

• May I ask why? Refrain is fine imo. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • I just think chorus is more commonly used than refrain but it's not a big deal. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

• "In the lyrics" → "Lyrically"

•  Done

• Link music critics to Music journalism instead

• I'm not sure; I adhered to WP:NOTBROKEN that we do not fix redirect links in certain cases. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Fair enough. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Background and release

• See above for Nashville

•  Done

• ""The Last Time" is track number 10..." → not sure if this is necessary as it seems quite irrelevant

•  Done

• Isn't November 11 the release date? Ref 10 just lists several singles while ref 11 gives an exact date

• If it was released on the 11th then it wouldn't make much sense that the single charted on the UK chart dated the 10th... either way, I reworded it a bit.
  • That's better, but shouldn't the release date in infobox be changed to November 2013 then as that's not an exact date? Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done Ippantekina (talk) 02:14, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

• Neither source states that Big Machine released it as a single

•  Done

• The ref doesn't state that they performed the song on The X-Factor

•  Done

• Are there more live performances of the song?

• No, to the best of my knowledge. Ippantekina (talk) 03:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Just wondering if they needed their own section with the music video, but that's fine. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Composition and lyrics

• "it is an alternative rock, following" → a word is missing here

•  Done

• "refrain" → "chorus"

• Ditto. Ippantekina (talk) 03:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • See above. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Critical reception

• Rename it to "Critical reception and commercial performance" and insert the commercial performance paragraph as it's quite short

• There are three paragraphs in the Critical reception section now, so I don't see it as a great idea. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Understandable. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

• There's a lot of repetition of "[reviewer] of [publication]" and "[reviewer] from [publication]" please fix it

•  Done
  • Better now, although there still is little repetition for how Stewart's and Clayton-Lea's reviews are introduced. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done Ippantekina (talk) 02:15, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

• "and vocals:" → "and vocals, stating:"

•  Done

• Link Taste of Country to Townsquare Media#Web publications and services

• Ditto per WP:NOTBROKEN. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • You still need to link Taste of Country though. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

     Done Ippantekina (talk) 02:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

• For Clayton-Lea's review, I think you should specify that both this song and "Everything Has Changed" were deemed "desperate attempts"

•  Done

Commercial performance

• See above
• "After Red was released" → "Upon Red's release"

•  Done

• "After its UK single release" → WP:OR as it's not explicitly given by the source

•  Done

• "for the week of November 10–16, 2013." → "for the week of November 10, 2013."

•  Done

• No need to mention the peak positions in Ireland and Scotland, saying they charted in the top 20 is good enough

•  Not done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done now, Ippantekina (talk) 02:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Personnel

• Tidal ref is dead, can it be replaced with the album's liner notes?

•  Done

 Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Charts

• "2012–13" → "2012–2013" per MOS:DATERANGE

•  Done

 Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

"The Last Time (Taylor's Version)"

• Remove duration and start date templates
• "under Republic Records imprint" → don't think "imprint" is necessary

•  Done

• "on November 11, 2012" → "on November 11, 2021"

•  Done

• Move the refs for the peak positions at the end of the sentence

•  Done

 Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Personnel

• The div col templates aren't needed as less than 20 people contributed to the song

•  Done

 Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Charts

• Isn't it possible to use Template:Singlechart for Canada?

• I added it manually to re-use the Canadian chart for the original version as well. If we use {{single chart}} then we will have two duplicate refs, which I don't favor. Ippantekina (talk) 02:19, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Got it! Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

References

• Copyvio at 27%, looks fine
• Source check: 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 23, 28, 32
• AllMusic should be tagged as the publisher for ref 4
• Ref 7 is missing access-date
• Ref 9 is dead
• Why are refs 14 and 15 tagged with url-access=limited?

• The LA Times is under a limited paywall (at least for US readers..)
  • Didn't appear for me but they can stay I guess. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

• Tag ref 23 with via=Newspapers.com
• Ref 26 is missing the date
• Link Billboard for ref 31
• Link Alexis Petridis for ref 32
• I'll AGF for the Perone source
• The ProQuest sources look kind of awkward with the id and via parameters, maybe keep one and remove the other?

•  Done

 Done Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Outcome

 On hold for seven days until all issues are fixed! Sebbirrrr (talk) 22:20, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I have responded to your comments above :) Ippantekina (talk) 03:18, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

@Ippantekina: Good job! I've left more comments to some of your replies. Sebbirrrr (talk) 10:01, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your patience. I believe all are addressed now, Ippantekina (talk) 02:17, 21 September 2022 (UTC)