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Remer was anything but a "conservative thinker". Being in command of the Berlin garrison when the attempt on Hitler`s life took place on July 20th 1944, Remer was responsible for the mass killings of conservative German officers. It was Remer and his soldiers who court-martialled and shot Stauffenberg and his companions. Remer might have been a gallant and dashing soldier, but apart from that, he was a Nazi scoundrel who took pride in quelling Stauffenberg`s coup d`etat for the rest of his life.

Relations With Willis Carto

I read in Laird Wilcox's 1996 book American Extremists that Willis Carto was opposed to many of the more liberal views espoused by Yokey (apparently, Carto attempted to ignore this and promote choice pro-Nazi and anti-semitic tidbits in The Spotlight). Permission to add this info? 69.248.43.27 02:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On calling Yockey a "philosopher"

Philosophy is defined on Wikipedia as "Philosophy is the study of general problems concerning matters such as existence, knowledge, truth, beauty, justice, validity, mind, and language." Therefore, it is entirely accurate to say that he was a philosopher. I did modify the term to "political philosopher" since that is the area with which he dealt the most, however. --Jbmorgan4 (talk) 18:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think he's mostly concerned with politics and political doctrines, instead of "philosophy" in conventional sense (i.e. ontology, epistemology, ethics). Even Ayn Rand, whose status as philosopher became an edit war on Wikipedia, pondered and wrote on those fundamental philosophical issues, while Yockey has concerned himself exclusively in politics. George W. Bush has formulated his political doctrine (Bush Doctrine), but he is not a philosopher, not even a political philosopher. Wandering Courier (talk) 18:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's not true. There is political content to Yockey's writing, but he also engaged with various metaphysical topics as well such as the nature of history. To compare Yockey's Imperium to the Bush Doctrine is absurd. Oswald Spengler, upon whose work Yockey modeled his own writing, is called a philosopher on Wikipedia. If Spengler is a philosopher, then Yockey should qualify as well (or else there needs to be a serious debate about what constitutes philosophy on Wikipedia, and many other entries will need revision as well).--Jbmorgan4 (talk) 19:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

His work after all is named Imperium: The Philosophy of History and Politics. Derpian (talk) 03:47, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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"Imperium" is not dedicated to Hitler?

Hitler is not mentioned anywhere in the book (although Mussolini is acknowledged) - so I am inclined to question whether the work really was dedicated to Hitler, as stated in this "Wikipedia" article's main page. In addition, it may be indicative that the word 'hero' in Yockey's dedication - is not capitalized. DLMcN (talk) 21:23, 20 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No challenge has been received to my above claim - nor even a reply - so presumably I can now go ahead and delete the piece concerned? DLMcN (talk) 10:11, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello there Redhanker ... You really need a specific citation in order to claim that Yockey 'revered Hitler'. I have read most [or all?] of Yockey's [important] writings, and have never seen any evidence to support what you say. By way of contrast, Yockey does praise Mussolini, but Hitler is never mentioned at all in "Imperium", nor in any of Yockey's "Four Essays", etc. Regards, --DLMcN (talk) 05:30, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This section of code was taken directly from another article in Wikipedia which has been there quite a long time. I don't think there are any credible sources to support the claim he did not revere hitler, rather most sources indicate he was a seminal neo-Nazi if not an actual Nazi agent according to some reports. That he continues to influence people still active in politics such as David Duke and Willis Carto makes Yockey and his views, particularly towards National Socialism, of considerable importance today. Redhanker (talk) 13:33, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for replying > [I do not deny your very last sentence^]. What "other article" in Wikipedia are you referring to? ... I would be interested to see what sources it uses. Wikipedia procedures require that we quote 'reliable citations' in order to make a point - rather than the other way around - (i.e., we are not justified in assuming something purely on the grounds that nobody has asserted the contrary). However - surely the fact that Yockey never ever mentions Hitler - anywhere in his writings - is evidence that (like Spengler) Yockey had reservations about him?
So I am going to remove those claims from the main article: (Indeed, as you will see above, I did something similar in November 2010). I hope this does not lead to an edit-war with you ... rather, let us see what other editors say. Regards --DLMcN (talk) 16:20, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am currently reading Imperium (for educational purposes) and i would have to agree with DLMcN as of now, but I am not finished and will hopefully be able to 100% confirm it (in maybe a month or two).@DLMcN:RedLionSit (talk) 06:43, 6 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

RfC

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Yockey and Spengler

I am inclined to put back the piece: "Although he [= Yockey] was a devotee of Oswald Spengler (who was critical of the Nazis)," - which was removed by Treybien on 25th June. That^ statement is correct, and it is important. Spengler criticised the anti-Semitic policies of the Nazis - despite the fact that in the mid-1930s they were still 'mild' compared with the appalling horrors which would unfold in the 1940s --DLMcN (talk) 16:43, 9 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Pertaining to recent edit conflicts

Yockey was an antisemite, a Nazi sympathizer, a fascist, and a white nationalist. The sky is blue. Any disagreement? Mewnst (talk) 18:52, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Putting all of those designations in the lede in that form fail to properly show complexity of his views since his relation to all those worldviews require more detailed elaborations. For example, he did support National Socialism, but he also disagreed with it on some topics, namely about race, as illustrated by his book Imperium. Also, a "pan-European nationalist" and "Spenglerian" would be good characterizations of his views as well. ArsenalAtletico2017 (talk) 20:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Are you arguing that Yockey wasn't those things, or are you arguing that he was those things but that you prefer to use different terms? Mewnst (talk) 21:47, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yockey was all of those things but he was more than that, for instance he was also a spy of sorts, the point is that making this the emphasis for people who want know about his political contacts for example and the implications that had in the broader cold war. StrongALPHA (talk) 18:27, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In a sense he was also a philosopher and a "Spenglerite", etc (all the things that ArsenalAtletico2017) mentioned above, because those things were a major influence on the writting he put out. I mean we could all start putting White Supremacist into the first sentence about Hegel or Kant because of their obviously racist attitudes. StrongALPHA (talk) 18:33, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ArsenalAtletico2017, your edits removed some references to Yockey's and Imperium's Nazism from the top. Do you want to discuss the rationale and sources? Llll5032 (talk) 22:47, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect from The Enemy of Europe

I have redirected to this article from The Enemy of Europe after that article was deemed to be not notable by a rough talk page consensus (with one editor dissenting). If anyone would like to argue for recreating that article, feel free to do so here. Generalrelative (talk) 03:49, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lee citations

Hi Llll5032. It looks like you added some sfn citations to Lee 2013. Are these references to The Beast Awakens? And if so, do the page numbers come from the 1997, 2000, or some later version? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:39, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for checking. I just switched the refs to 2000. Llll5032 (talk) 15:10, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. One Lee 2013 left Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:13, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That ref should have been Goodrick-Clarke, fixed. Llll5032 (talk) 15:56, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Similar question but for Goodrick-Clarke 2003. Looks like the paperback came out that year, but our only full ref is to the 2002 version. Do you remember which you used? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:03, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
2003, thanks. Llll5032 (talk) 15:47, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Influence

I´m going to delete the claim that Schmitt had a copy of Imperium, unless someone else here has evidence of the specific. I want to get to the bottom of who placed this article under need of better verification. StrongALPHA (talk) 15:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to add a section on Alexander Scharf

I understand that it comes from the Coogan, but let me look at it again I think the book itself includes alternate sources for the claims it makes. StrongALPHA (talk) 17:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Philosophy and Occult

I understand some of it like mentioning H.G. Wells may sound a bit generic, but there is a point to this, that this was a subject that highly interested Yockey. In the case of Wells, I only mention it because it was found in his suitcase alongside the occult material that the FBI took at the time of his suicide. StrongALPHA (talk) 18:51, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yockey a Young Earth Creationist?

in his work Imperium he states there have been 5 Millenium of history. Implying belief in a 5,000 or so year old Earth. 2600:1702:CC7:1A20:7DB7:6AFE:EBD0:A75F (talk) 03:04, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If a reliable source notices this and mentions it, we can use it. If not, we cannot. We do not scan the person's writings for stupid ideas, we let secondary sources do that. See WP:OR. --Hob Gadling (talk) 06:28, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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