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Question of correct naming and spelling in English, translating Polish

Greetings to all! I copy discussion from talk page of --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here}and also from article Heraldic family. I invite You to discuss this matter to reach consensus.

Transfer public domain images to Commons

A lot of coat of arms of places in Massachusetts are on Wikipedia under fair use. However, since in Massachusetts these images are public domain, they should be uploaded to Commons with the license tag {{PD-MAGov}}. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 15:33, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New user possibly uploading fake/fictional flags

I believe that User:2022 jansin (started editing August 11, 2023) on commons may be uploading fictional flags to the site (their upload log). I cross-referenced some of their uploads and found zero evidence online that they exist. In some cases, they actually uploaded these to places which have official flags (their representation of the Flag of Edmond, Oklahoma). The flags they are uploading sometimes don't match the regional styles (ex. tricolors for US flags). As well as that, they have uploaded duplicates of flags even when the original is available on commons (ex. Flag of Prague, Oklahoma). For now, they are only adding these flags to gallery pages on commons but they have managed to upload almost 100 images in three days, which is concerning if they are indeed fictional. I apologize for posting this here but I couldn't find a suitable place on commons to post this comment. Thank you for your time and attention; have a great day! DiscoA340 (talk) 16:29, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good to report it here, since people care here. :-) I would think also that commons:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard is a good place to raise such concerns. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 07:33, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nearly all now deleted. —Tamfang (talk) 04:08, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Style questions

Should we normally be capitalizing the heraldic metal as "Or" to distinguish it from the everyday English conjunction "or"? I see this frequently but not universally in heraldic source materials. Our own articles vary widely on this, sometimes even in the same article.

Second, how should mottoes/slogans be presented? I most often see them, in running prose in sources, as title case: "Sola Nobilitas Virtus", but sometimes also as sentence case: "Sola nobilitas virtus". In a few articles here, I'm running into them in all-uppercase form as "SOLA NOBILITAS VIRTUS", mimicking fairly common display in heraldic art and Scottish crest badges, but this is clearly against MOS:ALLCAPS. My presumption without any input yet is title case, but I'm open to arguments to the contrary. E.g., if enough sources use sentence case, then the title-case treatment may not meet the MOS:CAPS threshold of "only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia". I don't personally have on hand a large library of modern heraldry works, so I'm not really in a position to do a statistical analysis of source usage on this.

If there are various other style considerations, it might make sense for the wikiproject to put up a {{WikiProject style advice}} WP:PROJPAGE essay on heraldry writing style.
— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 07:30, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The "or" of heraldry could be title-case italic gold serif Or and my brain would still misparse it as the common conjunction "or" a substantial proportion of the time, which I've just confirmed by reading the preview of this sentence. Folly Mox (talk) 16:37, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Anachronistic flags

It came to my attention that such as File:People's Armed Police Flag.svg and File:Rocket Force Flag of the People's Republic of China.svg had been used in time periods before their adaption (2018 and 2016), such as Sui Mingtai. Please advise if there is any guideline on this. Thanks! Mys_721tx (talk) 01:32, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-related, there's a conversation at Talk:Yuan dynasty#Concerning the flags about whether it's aligned with the idea of a national flag infobox parameter to add a flag image to Yuan dynasty – Mongol-led dynasty of China (1271–1368). Someone who knows things about flags may want to weigh in. Folly Mox (talk) 16:29, 4 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sigillographie de l'Orient latin

Hey, everyone. Does anyone have the book Sigillographie de l'Orient latin by Gustave Schlumberger? It contains a seal of Abbess Ioveta, the only depiction of her known to me, at or near page 122. It is in public domain so we could upload it to the Commons and use it in our article. Ping me if you have it or know where to access it, please. Surtsicna (talk) 07:37, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No delsort for this project?

I wanted to add Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Piast Dragon to a relevant del sort list but I could not find one? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:08, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Factually correct? Afghanistan 1980 flag

See Talk:Flag of Afghanistan#Eighteenth flag 1980. I am highly dubious of the factual accuracy of a flag shown in this article. Hnfus34 (talk) 17:48, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move at Talk:Royal standards of Canada#Requested move 21 November 2023

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Royal standards of Canada#Requested move 21 November 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 16:32, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is britishcountyflags.com a reliable source?

Hi, not sure if this is the right place to put this, but I was just wondering if https://britishcountyflags.com/ is considered a reliable source for editing flag-related pages, specifically those related to british county flags (obviously). I've looked for attribution for where they get their information and found none, and also could not find an e-mail address to get in contact with them and ask for primary sources. Laura Kinder (talk) 11:36, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

At the bottom of the main page are the words Blog at WordPress.com. Without additional attribution on the site, we have to presume that it is not a reliable source because it is user-generated content. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 15:52, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]