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Picture of the Estates General removed.

The picture of the Estates General was removed with the comment "there is nothing specifically left-wing about that picture, which is not included in the article for right-wing politics either)". The name "left wing originated in the Estates General and it is mentioned in the first paragraph of the article. I have no problem with the picture also appearing in the article on right-wing politics. Why the picture needs to be removed is not clear to me. Rick Norwood (talk) 10:41, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That image does not belong here, nor is it specifically representative of right-wing politics. But I incorporated it into the article on the political spectrum, where it is relevant. Trakking (talk) 10:53, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We have reached a compromise: I incorporated the image into the "History" section of the article in question. There it belongs perfectly. Trakking (talk) 10:58, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think that is a good choice. The deputies of the estates general arranged themselves from left to right by ideology, and this has been copied in European legislatures to this day. But the term left-wing only came into usage in the early 1900s, by which time the successors to the original left were considered centrist or right-wing. Today's left, even if one includes social liberalism, did not exist in 1789. TFD (talk) 01:23, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

""claim that human development flourishes when individuals engage in cooperative, mutually respectful relations that can thrive only when excessive differences in status, power, and wealth are eliminated."

Pretty crazy that this is not a leftist statement. The idea that human flourshing is measured in "development" is the issue: "development" is itself a capitalistic idea, and not leftist.

Describing leftism by the language of not-leftists is no good. Imagine describing why it's good to eat sugar from the perspetive of someone who hates sugar - that's just silly yeah? CrickedBack (talk) 14:45, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please see our page at WP:NOTFORUM. You are stating personal views that are not supported by most credible published discussions of this issue. Please provide links to published mainstream sources that support your concern. SPECIFICO talk 14:56, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]