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In order to remain listed at Wikipedia:Requests for comment, at least two people need to show that they tried to resolve a dispute with this user and have failed. This must involve the same dispute, not different disputes. The persons complaining must provide evidence of their efforts, and each of them must certify it by signing this page with ~~~~. If this does not happen within 48 hours of the creation of this dispute page (which was: {insert UTC timestamp with ~~~~~}), the page will be deleted. The current date and time is: 07:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC). This page was reverted by User:Mark, without adequate explanation upon request of User:Kc9cqj who was working on the RfC but requested reversion. I have now reverted it at: --SqueakBox 16:37, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC), and suggest the 48 hours start from now

Statement of the dispute

The dispute arises due to the fact that Cumbey is an Internet (and published) author with an established interest in Javier Solana and proving him to be "The Antichrist". Cumbey had edited the Solana article to the point where it has lost its encyclopedic value - when non-essential information and vandalism were removed by other editors, the information was added again in a short amount of time by Cumbey and a slew of non-recognized IP addresses. After a month of vandalism and bad edits questioned by the Solana article's editors, Cumbey turned to an off-site blog to continue her quest.

Description

Cumbey is engaging in personal attacks on and off of the Wikipedia site, has been known to blank user and talk pages where discussion is taking place on fixing articles, within the Javier Solana article and related threads.

Several IP addresses are rumored to be attached to or involved in this dispute:

  1. Special:contributions/68.31.252.69 - A single user which added content to Solana's Talk channel. Located in Reston, Virginia where Cumbey occasionally goes. She has signed from IP's located in this town.
  2. Special:contributions/69.209.175.201 - Three edits on the Solana article, mostly background bio on mother. Is from Allen Park, Michigan, within the area where Cumbey lives and works.
  3. Special:contributions/66.0.239.178 - Addition of some red text about '666' and biographical information on Solana's family. Comes from Alabama, and is not Cumbey.
  4. Special:contributions/68.31.251.196 - Cleaned up some punctuation in Cumbey's comments. Is from Reston, Virginia.
  5. Special:contributions/69.209.166.174 - Signed a comment as 'CEC'. Is from Allen Park, Michigan.
  6. Special:contributions/68.61.150.80 - This IP address has prior been attributed to Cumbey. Is from nearby Rochester, Michigan.
  7. Special:contributions/68.159.142.14 - Comment or talk comment signed as CEC. Is from Michigan state.
  8. Special:contributions/65.148.140.210 - Single user comment, possibly Cumbey.Is from Victorville, California, and therefore is unlikely to be Cumbey.
  9. Special:contributions/69.209.129.193 - Cumbey Statements to Solana Talk page. Is from Allen Park.

Evidence of disputed behavior

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  1. [1]Shows Cumbey's off-site blog where SqueakBox and One Salient Oversight are named by username. Identical to her user page accusing SB and OSO of vandalism.
  2. [2]Blanked this RfC entirely as shown as user 68.61.150.80.
  3. [3]Deleted comment on Chris 73's userpage written by SqueakBox.
  4. [4]Cumbey accuses SqueakBox and One Salient Oversight of vandalism .
  5. [5]Cumbey An unknown user vandalizes SqueakBox's page to insult him by stating that Sqeakbox had "inpregnated" (sic) his dog. This diff is being maintained for a separate action not involving Cumbey but related to the Solana article. KC9CQJ 12:13, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  6. [6]Insertion of a link to SqueakBox's user page under a trivia heading .
  7. [7]Blanking the Solana talk page .
  8. [8] Blanks SqueakBox's comments off of her own talk page. The comment in question establishes Cumbey as anonymous IP user 68.61.150.80.
  9. [9] Cumbey is warned of a 3rr violation by Chris 73.
  10. [10] Cumbey inserts SqueakBox's real name into her talk page and SqueakBox removes it.
  11. [11] - Cumbey copies and crossposts text between articles.
  12. [12] - On April 12, 2005, Cumbey copies 'her' version of the Wikipedia article to her personal blog and fails to mention the GFDL or provide a link back to the current or working copy of the Solana article.
  13. [13] Cumbey reverts a SqueakBox edit and states "Sorry! I got tired of reading SqueakBox's dumbed down version!"
  14. [14] Reversion from One Salient Oversight's version back to her version.
  15. [15] and [16] show Cumbey's move of the NPOV template 'in order to drive Google results higher' as stated in one of the comments.

Applicable policies

{list the policies that apply to the disputed conduct}

  1. Repeated violation of the No personal attacks policy.
  2. Repeated violation of the Neutral Point of View policy.
  3. Possible copyright violations.
  4. Defnite violation of the No legal threats policy - see below.
  5. Attempted blanking of this RfC which is vandalism.
  6. Violation of the GFDL on her own personal blog, using the disputed Solana content from Wikipedia.

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

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  1. One Salient Oversight has attempted to resolve the dispute by a post to Cumbey's blog here. After his/her comment to Cumbey's original comment regarding Wikipedia, OSO and SqueakBox were both mentioned in Cumbey's next blog comment.
  2. In addition, One Salient Oversight attempted to solve the dispute here by attempting to reason with Cumbey.
  3. SqueakBox requests mediation, a request that Cumbey has not replied to as of yet.
  4. One Salient Oversight creates Javier Solana Antichrist allegations after discussing the issue with others at Talk:Javier Solana. This was done because he was convinced that an article about the issue was needed on Wikipedia. The fact that this article could result in a de-escalation of the edit war was incidental.


Users certifying the basis for this dispute

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  1. SqueakBox 17:44, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
  2. One Salient Oversight 11:15, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Other users who endorse this summary

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  1. KC9CQJ 09:15, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  2. Guettarda 13:18, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  3. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 19:08, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  4. Alai 05:12, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Response

BY CONSTANCE CUMBEY - The real statement of facts

I am indeed an internet and published author. I admit an interest in Javier Solana. I have researched him since November 22, 1995, the night I inadvertently discovered him while checking my email and reading AOL log on headlines after an attack of insomnia making the balance of the night worthless for desired sleep. I have been strictly factual in my reporting on Solana. There were people who did jump to the article and interjected biblical quotes. If you will check the history, you will see that it was me who went in and tried to restore the article to mainstream credibility and encyclopedic use. SqueakBox's approach has been to delete facts that some might find as prophetic fulfillment -- e.g., the initial Reuters report I read on Javier Solana, the night of November 22, 1995 pointed out both as to the signing of a Treaty of Association with Israel and the forthcoming Barcelona Conference to be held in that Spanish city on November 27-28, 2005, that Solana held powers of attorney from THE EUROPEAN UNION and "THE TEN NATION WESTERN EUROPEAN UNION, A MILITARY FEDERATION". SqueakBox who through his Rastafarian filters believes this may be a "ten horn" tip off as contained in Daniel and Revelation prophecies in all the Jewish and Christian Bibles of the world (as to Daniel ones) and all the Christian Bibles as to Revelation/Apocalypse ones, chose to initially delete both the Barcelona Conference and the Western European Union references.

He then chose to attribute all his flak from many varied internet sources to me. Incredibly he posted a long list of IP addresses (I think I have a total of 3 only: My home, my office, and my Sprint wireless card), attributing to me criticism coming to him from such places as Allen Park, Michigan (I think I may have been to this remote Detroit suburb maybe three times since moving here many years ago); Toronto, Ontario; Reston, Virginia, and so on and so forth.

Even more outrageously, he made links to legitimate research as "trivia." He did not like it one little bit when I turned the tables on him, labelling the same about his openly professed belief on his own web page that Haile Selassie is God Almighty himself! That is far more incredible than any thesis that Javier Solana could be a potential educated guess for the anti-Christ.

SqueakBox is, like all cowards, hiding under a pseudonym. He has chosen to stalk me all over the internet, including my own blog site. He would like nothing better than to force me to give up all my billable time as a lawyer to fight in this Mad Hatter situation here on Wikipedia (and by the way, now I am wondering if indeed the astrological symbols on the puzzle symbol portend what some have suggested to me -- Wicca!?). There is one thing that SqueakBox published that is utter defamatory and it is a promise, not a threat that I will take legal action UNLESS IT IS IMMEDIATELY REMOVED. That is the reference from an IP address I have never heard of -- certainly not one of mine a "66" something making a statement on SqueakBox's site that his proudest accomplishment was 'impregnating his dog.'" That is nothing I would ever write nor condone. I suspect that SqueakBox used one is his many sockpuppets to put it there for him. It was not BY me NOR KNOWN TO ME NOR AUTHORIZED BY ME IN ANY WAYand I DEMAND its IMMEDIATE REMOVAL AND RETRACTION! Furthermore as regards deleted pages -- when the entire page contained defamatory and personal comments by me, it is my understanding of Wikipedia policy that one is allowed to delete such material. Virtually any time I have written in my self-defense, that was deleted, but SqueakBox's and his apostate New Zealand friend's were allowed to stand. I am thoroughly disgusted with this and moreover I retain every editorial right to comment on the Wikipedia process elsewhere on the internet. As a shaper of the news, it is certainly immune as being treated as newsworthy! Last I checked neither SqueakBox (and for that matter Jimbo) were allowed to shape at least American First Amendment privileges. Maybe that might go in the EU but at least for now, not in the USA and certainly not off site of the Wikipedia website!

CONSTANCE E. CUMBEY cumbey@gmail.com www.cumbey.blogspot.com

Constance Cumbey's statement was moved here from the top of this RfC to maintain readability. KC9CQJ 04:49, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~~~~):

Question

Constance, I have a question. I've just had a look under the HISTORY tab on your user page. Lo and behold, your user page appears to have been started by Squeakbox. That's mighty odd, to say the least. Squeakbox appears to have written your bio, which you have substantially kept. I consider unfounded accusations to be a form of personal attack, so I will not accuse you and Squeakbox of being sock puppets. But I do think a comment from you would be called for. Can you emphatically deny that you are his sockpuppet (or vice versa), and that the row between you isn't just a phoney edit war to attract attention? I don't want to believe it is, and I would like you to say in as many words that it isn't. Until you do, there are unanswered questions. David Cannon 15:15, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I want to confirm I am not User:Cumbey. She had put this statement on her talk page as 68.61.150.80. I moved it to her user page because I thought she had got her pages muddled up (which she had). Cumbey dislikes me because I removed her beast thesis from Javier Solana, so could not be in any circimstances be my sockpuppet. I am English, write in English and about England, write articles that prove my command of Spanish, have my photo on my User page, use a fixed Honduras IP address, etc. KC9CQJ has spoken to me, and will doubtless confirm I am English. Cumbey and I have an intense relationship, but as antagonists. --SqueakBox 15:44, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

I have to say I think David's comments are the bizarrest yet to come out of this whole affair. If he would but have checked my Contribs he would see why. Can he please withdraw his comments, --SqueakBox 19:21, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)


As I have a longer edit history than Cumbey, strictly it should be me who should be being accused of using Cumbey as a sockpuppet, an accusation I emphatically deny. --SqueakBox 19:34, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

Outside view

This is a summary written by users not directly involved with the dispute but who would like to add an outside view of the dispute.

This seems to be overly antisocial behavior that is pretty bad. Though I agree that this kind of incivility must be frustrating, I would encourage everyone to stay a bit more calm about disputes like these. If methods and behavior are so obviously non-sensical, try to go easy on the editing, also try to be as civil as possible.

The alleged sock puppets seem to be agreeing with another quite well, though I don't have enough experience to know how solid the evidence is expected to be. Edits like this one certainly don't favor Constance's view of the matter. I Googled for other things written by her and found this at Antichrist watch. The mentioning of "ASSEMBLY RECOMMENDATION 666" followed by bible quotation in an article on Solana is especially interesting.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~~~~):

  1. Peter Isotalo 22:29, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
  2. — Rickyrab | Talk 06:07, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

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