Talk:Martial industrial

Vandalism

This page has seen a lot of vandalism lately for some reason. Please fix it if you see it. - Bloodofox, 8.10.05

Antifa

[fleischbox] Anti Fascists

[fleischbox] they are an organization that likes to disrupt musical events

Antifas are no organisation in particular, but people who criticize and sometimes act against fascism or (what they regard as) fascistoid tendencies from a left-wing point of view. Of course, there are some organistions that are anti-fascistic. And, surely, they don't just "like to disrupt" musical events, but rather organise, say, demonstrations against what they might see as a dangerous aesthetisation of fascistoid tendencies in dark music genres, by which groups of the extremistic right are trying to influence listeners of dark / "gothic" music and to recruit new followers (as on the Wave-Gotik-Treffen in Leipzig for some years now). Everything in its own place ... ;-) -- 85.182.75.53 22:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC) de:Benutzer:marilyn.hanson

Such groups are well known to use bomb threats, physical violence and other means of forceful censorship to promote their agendas. Notable cases include whenever Blood Axis attempts to play in the United States and various incidents involving Death In June (Examples: [1]) not being able to take the stage. These groups are often not interested in dialogue or facts - which they make pretty clear - and I'm not aware of a single artist in either genre that openly attempts to recruit people into any sort of ideology. :bloodofox: 01:46, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

WHAT? these antifa groups use violence and bomb threats to ruin musical concerts and silence musicians? well i see the musicians aren't doing their jobs fine, otherwise the own fans would shot, beat, gang rape and/or burn to death whoever tried to stop a concert, specially for this pathetic reason.

NPOV

the origins part is soooo not npov atm, and the description of the music needs to be put at the put and given it's own heading. --MilkMiruku 08:54, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

I think we've taken care of this, thank you for your edits and please continue. --Bloodofox 04:05, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

In The Nursery

Soundsamples

• Elegy
• Breach Birth

• Look There: Temper 1985
• Look There: Trinity 1987

It's not really a new style... --Menorrhea 03:18, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

It's the same style, just an example of it. Most bands related to New European Recordings at the time had a 'martial' sound. :bloodofox: 07:25, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Laibach

Added a cut-off point for Laibach's 'martial period', I reckon Opus Dei is when they started to expand out of their original harsh martial style. Any opposition?

Thanks! I felt the same way, although I decided to leave it with someone who was a little more familiar with that transitional period of their discography. :bloodofox: 06:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I would disagree. Their last album WAT wasn't military in the vein of marching drums and WW2-samples, however its electronica was very "march"-like. Especially considering them still wearing uniforms in videos & on stage I would say they can still be regarded as "military", even though exceeding the genre by far. -Oskorei

There is more to Martial than uniforms. WAT does contain some martial elements, Tanz Mit Laibach being a good example, but if we're gonna count any deep electronic beat with a martial rhythm as martial music a whole pile of drum and bass and other techno will be lumped in too.

Political views

It was nice to indicate de political views (confirmed) of the bands inte the See Also - Artists. tnks --201.14.158.6 17:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

artist external links

I don't think the list of artist external links makes much sense on this page. We should have a list of wikilinks to artists' Wikipedia articles, and then external links to their webpages should go there. Would anyone object to me removing this list, and moving the artists' names into the list of artist wikilinks? --Delirium 01:39, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I think this would be a good move - no objections. :bloodofox: 21:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Death In June

I think Death in June should be removed from the artist list. They aren't really martial and tilt to the far end of neo-folk. Also, they've never claimed to be martial, much less industrial of any sort. Ideas? Feelings?

From the very beginning of the Death In June discography into the modern era of Death In June the group/Douglas P have used very heavy martial percussion and militant imagery live and on record. Not only that, Death In June have been a massive influence on the genre not only musically but also from the early acts of NER Douglas P signed to the artists Pearce has collaborated with to the majority of the artists Death In June have shared the stage with. What else can you call albums such as "Take Care And Control," "Operation Hummingbird" and "the Wall of Sacrifice"? Practically every Death In June album has at least a few tracks that would fit perfectly into this genre. :bloodofox: 00:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Test Department

Wouldn't the "orchestral" period of Test Department fit in as well? Between about 1985 and 1991 they made several albums with sampled (and some real) marching drums, orchestral elements and such. Though they aren't WW2 themed (neither are Puissance) I'd call it martial music (or martial industrial, which some seems to prefer). This could also add a bit to the political views part as Test Department where very political AND left-wing and instead of using Third Reich imagery they used soviet constructivism (is that a word?) artwork and such.